im very much a fan of cacti by itself and i see it as a tool of the most importance, however that is not to say i disvalue the synergistic reaction of combining cacti with other psychoactives

this thread is to document and help refine dosage when combining cacti and other compounds

i consider tryptamines to be illuminating, as they are known to ayahuasqueros as the "light" but the "force" the caapi is what gives the experience its direction.

i feel cactus is much like the FORCE, and something like lsa is the LIGHT
perhaps even the maoi qualities supposed to be present in achuma really do potentiate the ergaloid tryptamines like caapi to chacruna

DATURA/BRUGMANSIA *small amount* is a great addition to a cactus experience if one is safe about dosing, it often lets one slip into new consciousness (non ordinary realities) alot more seamlessly

i add calea zacatechichi to everything! resin of course, the tea is abominable !~ i find that it is like taking a big puff of marijuana except dosent have the potential for paranoia snowballing, it lets me slip into a dream state minutes after ingestion (so i take it 4-5 hours in) and about 5x a dose i would take each night for dreaming purposes



please add your cactus combos!

lsa-

i find i can take a lower dose of cacti (1-1.5 feet) and thrown in some lsa extract or hbwr to have entirely new and potent experiences. i often take lower doses of cacti and use lsa when going to a concert, i find it to be a great way to experience the environment in a whole new way

i absolutely love lsa, but love it more with cacti

cacao beans...

I sort of overlapped bufotenine and cacti once and that was nice. The cacti came on alot quicker it seemed. I took the cacti right after dosing bufotenine while laying in the bath.

you really tried brugmansia with cacti?

coffee is supremely synergistic with mescaline, the combination has a long history in it's traditional Huachuma Mesa ceremonies
a shallow mescaline trip can really turn into something special with marijuana, both as an anti-emetic after ingestion, and also to heighten the experience

i've got an old copy of Entheogen Review where J. DeKorne talks about the use of MAOIs with cactus, there are a few reports on errowid of people doing it, i've never felt it necessary, and really i'm not entirely convinced of how safe it is

I've

i too have tried maois (rue, caapi)
yes datura/brugmansia (low doses only, minus one time when i thought i was dying and literally had my throat close up a bit and swell, sweating madly and dissasciated from reality in and out, high fever, insane pulse and blood pressure)
alcohol
dmt
tea/coffee

mushrooms were found to not complement 25I or cactus, IMHO, the body load and the foggy mind werent pleasant, i spent most of the day in my bedroom instead of out in the glorious sun as i had planned, felt kinda sick (not nauseas) but sick until several hours later when the mushrooms wore off

i absolutely love dark chocolate, especially on cactus
i feel like an aztec king when i eat cacao during achuma :: something about it is so amazing, i love it!

nitrous was an interesting experience, after taking a hit i felt as though i smoked dmt because the buzzing noise came as did total distortion of reality, however it was not as geometrically transforming, not to say that aspect was absent, just different, a very very novel experience that i will probably repeat again someday


cannabis was a staple until i started to get drug tested, then i didnt mind not smoking it during cactus because i was a lot more clear during the experience and could dose higher and reach new plateus i would have otherwise been too paranoid to travel safely


peace

I find it hard to hold down even water when on a high dose of Cactus. I used to drink Alcohol all day every day and even though I wouldn't drink during the Cactus trip, once after a day of heavy drinking I drank a Cactus mixture which in combo with the heavy Alcohol poisoned me quite badly. I purged terribly for hours until I was almost ready to go to the hospital when it finally subsided. So I would be very careful at least how much booze one might drink before hand.

pot
caffeine
ethanol
lsd
dmt
nicotine

i also dont drink until hours into cactus because of the nausea, beer is not recommended whereas ethanol/liquor is easier to hold down, not that it is a benefit in real learning, but when partying you might as well do it a million times better than some other fool poppin poor e and wishin he was you

What kind of effects does calea zacatechichi have with the cactus? I have a bag of calea zacatechichi (dried leaves) that I haven't really found any use for, as I haven't been able to stomach the tea.

I gotta say that when i was in Peru, i found their black malt beer really went down nicely after a moderate Cactus dose. The taste really complimented the Cactus, and helped calm down any anxiety i felt.

Recently I like combining my cacti trips with some Kanna (Sceletium Tortuosum) The amounts vary but I usually take around 100mgs of regular powdered Kanna in a capsule about 30 minutes prior to eating the cactus – usually as a resin.
Then follow that up with another 100-150mgs in a capsule at the 2hr mark after ingestion

It helps calm me and I find lessens the nausea quite a bit. I also find it heightens the “cosmic oneness” I feel on psys – some “Cactikanna” trips have been solely about been “connected” to everything, and how I should focus on feeling like that all the time.

It’s definitely worth a try. I have tried snorting a line of TA Kanna extract in the middle of a mescaline trip and had the most amazing 2-3 hrs of intense visual and orgasmic waves flowing through me – Highly recommended.

Of course safety in combining the 2 has not been thoroughly investigated, but I can’t see any dangers and have read about people doing this quite a bit.

Peace
PW

Mew, what sort of dosage do you take of datura and brugmansia ?

I use around 100mg leaves and stems, fruits mixed (fruits are the strongest part) of belladona (atropa belladona) in cap with celastrus and ginko biloba.
Also 200mg mandrake root (mandragora officinarum) for bedtime.
They don't behave the same way, as I find belladonna is more stimulating and euphoric the first hours then sedating.
Mandrake is more sedating anf help to put in dreamland for long night of sleep, with many dreams.
Both can ease nausea and potentiate the psychedelics too.
I'm careful with each new batch/plant as potencies varies greatly and as soon as I feel I found the dosage where I feel thirsty all the time, I know it's the upper mark, as a dosage. It means side effects start to appear and you're no longer in microdose zone but enter threshold.
One must avoid anything beyond that for evident safety reasons.

~~~~~~~daturas~~~~~~~~

when it comes to datura/ brugmansia ive dosed too high twice.

the first time was on the brugmansia alone, hours of a very strange trip

the second was during a cactus trip, i absent mindedly ate a whole fresh leaf and flower, in conjunction with coca tea, calea resin, smoking cannabis.

i take about a 1/3 - 1/2 leaf fresh, remove the stem and eat the rest, typically this is just above microdose but not engouh to get delerious and sweaty, know your dose by finding your relationship without using it as an admixture first, do datura/ brugmansia alone before trying to add it to the mix.

or

3-7 seeds

~~~~calea~~~~~~~~~

calea is much like cannabis in the way it potentiates cacti, i make an ethanol resin out of my plant matter and eat a .15g for mild effects, it lasts 90 minutes and hits 15-30 minutes later, it dosent have a paranoid feeling like cannabis making me favor it.

~~~~~kanna~~~~~~~~~~~

excellent information regarding kanna, i havent ever tried it in conjunction with anything, it seems your find is worthwhile of investigation and i highly applaud you for bringing this coeffecient to our communal consciousness. it seems to have much potential. i look forward to this however it is a ways a way for this cat

~~~beer~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

beer is great but trying to get tanked (more than a pint) can lead to prompt emesis. i also find that i will sip on the same beer for a looooooong time on anything cactus until late into the experience

Black malt beer is even better, yummy...sLURP!!