Trip report really:
Not my first Pharmahuasca experience.
1st one was heavy on the cappi extract, lite on the DMT. Felt like a mellow mushroom experience.


New batch- Extracted the cappi myself. ate .25 grams of the cappi extract so to be sure to be inhabited.
Mixed with pineapple juice and drank.
45 min. later, feeling a little odd, took .25 grams of DMT Fumerate, mixed with my glass of red wine.
Really wanted to go out there.
And I did.
For like 15-20 min...
I was tripping balls! Had to lie down in the dark listen to music, very nice organic visuals. Couldnt see a thing if I opened my eyes.
But it went right though me. 25-30min. later I am completely back to reality.
What a tease. Bummer. Im guessing my cappi extract is no good.
sigh. This stuff is very elusive!
Should I have not mixed the cappi with a acidic juice maybe?
I was doing that to be on the safe side, I thought it needed to bind to be like a fumerate.

Sounds like a very light dose of caapi. I dont think 250mg of caapi alkaloids is a whole lot to be honest. I could be wrong but with the yeilds claimed of most caapi when people extract compared to how much people usually drink of the tea, it seems like you might need 500-1000mg of whatever it is that is being extracted..but dont take my word for it. Some caapi is also way more potent than most of the stuff around so..

250mg of rue alkaloids I feel is probably alot stronger than 250mg of what is being extracted from caapi..but that is just my guess. How much was your total yield and how much caapi was used? This will give a better approximation as to whether or not you need more harmalas.

250mg of DMT is ALOT for most people..that would be gigantic dose for me. The fact that is was so short points to ligher harmala dose.

thats a good point Jamie.
And yes, .25 grams of dmt was a massive dose.
I'm actually kinda lucky the harmalas were too light because I really started sinking very fast and knew I had ingested too much dmt!
If I opened my eyes, I was unable to make out anything other than rough shapes, and my eyesight was 'skipping' like a film reel that was stuck.

Next time I may just brew some straight tea from the Cappi and skip the extraction, just reduce the tea.
I have a pretty tough stomach, though I'm not sure how rough Cappi tea is.
How much Cappi does one tend to use in traditional tea methods for a good does of harmalas?
50 grams? 100?

I've worked alot with caapi extract and 250mg has been enough to inhibit everyone I have ever dealt with. I'm not trying to dissuade you from trying more but I doubt your problem had to do with lack of adequate inhibition.

might it be suggested that the dmt-fumarate was contaminated with excess fumaric acid resulting in a much lower dose than 250mg

So you mean fumerate can collect too much salt(?) if added to an acidic juice like O.J.?

I don’t know if it has been posted yet, but another member of this forum tested my black caapi extract and found it to be mostly harmine. This member also tested my rue extract and found it to be about 50:50 harmine and harmaline. Very little THH in either extract.

Advising someone to take 500-1000mg of harmine is a bit irresponsible. I’ve read that harmine is about half as potent as harmaline, but still --- 1000mg ???

Regarding the OP – perhaps waiting as long as you did (45 minutes) prior to taking the DMT had something to do with it? The usual approach is to take the harmalas and DMT together, or to take the DMT soon after taking the harmalas.

My pharma experiences are usually very slow to start – I don’t feel anything for over an hour, and then they last another 4-6 hours at a moderate intensity. 10-15 minutes sounds more like a vaporized experience with maybe 15mg of sublingual harmalas.

definitely, when you get that short experience, it means you have not done enough maoi's.

250 is a straight up strong dose. probably 150-200mg is better for beginners who want a strong dose.

different batches of caapi have differing amounts of harmine etc in them... but generally, 100 grams is good with a good batch. you even can go 150-200 grams even and it will not get nauseous and too heavy like rue does.

btw, if you compare caapi extract to caapi brew, the brew is always better. just sayin'.

gibran2, I had not thought of the waiting peirod being to long... hhmmm.... That is an interesting thought.

chocobeastie, I would try the brew, but heard it was really rough on the system. Is it that bad? I have a tough stomach!