I have the opportunity to sample this novel tryptamine at various doses soon, and was wondering what people's experiences with it were like. I hear at lower doses it is a strong aphrodisiac for some, but at higher doses the body load can distract from thhe more pleasant LSD like effects. I can't help but be intrigued by Tryptamines, so I am hoping for some interesting explorations with this one.

I am also lucky enough to be able to sample what is supposed to be one of the better 2c / Phenethylamine compounds as well - 2CT7, which is apparently HIGHLY visual. I would love to know how people have got along with this compound as well. I have had many lovely experiences with 2CB, ranging from mildly euphoric to neon fireworks and also with 2CI, which I found to have a rather uncomfortable bodyload.

I will be using this thread to update you guys on my progress with these, and in the mean time would love to know a little bit more - besides what erowid etc have to tell me. I find I often have to wade through tons of fairly bland or reckless sounding reports which often have little baring on the way I chose to take my psychs, which is why I enquire here

had both, preferred 2-ct-7.

the problem with it is higher doses (35+ mg) results in immense delirium. its more visual than lsd at those doses, and grandiosity may set in. tread with caution.

Foxy has a sharp dosage curve, had between 5 - 10 mg. I got really light-headed at one point, and almost passed out. Tactile perception is very enhanced, as is auditory perception

I will certainly be gradually working my way up with both of these, particularly as T7 has claimed lives So far I have found that I am fairly sensitive to phen analogues - I find my limit with 2CB is about 25mg, so not sure I will go any further than that with T7. What did you find was your 'sweet spot' by the way?

I was planning on 10-15mg T7 as a starter dose, and 5-6 for the Foxy after doing the usual allergy test of course.

Always exciting to try new compounds

IIRC, there was an abnormally high number of cases of HPPD after 2-CT7... Ill try to look into where I read it. (sorry cant contribute much, never tried either substance)

Interesting to know endy! Wonder what sized doses they were taking, how often they took them, and what other substances they were putting in their bodies?

I would certainly like to avoid HPPD if possible, although I am not sure I take psychs often enough or in large enough quantities for that to happen, but caution is always a good thing, particularly with RCs. If you can (be bothered) to find the article that would be great though, knowledge is power after all!

Ive read that most 2c-x drugs produce hppd like symptoms alot quicker than most other psychs.

Interesting. Do you have a source?

I've never tried any of the 2C*s but they've been on the radar for quite some time.

I've experienced some HPPD afer weekly use of 2C-I for a few months. This was @ 16-25mgs 1x week or every other week.

Mainly had to deal with sparkles everywhere, not too unpleasant.

No source really just some people like acolon here who has pointed this out, but in most cases there seemed to been more frequent use/abuse involved.

From my personal experience I consider these two chemicals worthless. I've tried both with an relatively careful dosing schedule (although not as careful as my first attempt with 2CB where I consumed 5mg, 9mg, 12mg, 15mg, 17mg, 20mg, 25mg, 27mg—all with multiple weeks between doses).

They were sourced from an online RC vendor, colormetric tests were not conducted (had just determined marquis reagent to be spoiled).

250mg 5-meo-dipt, 100mg 2ct7
I weighed the material on a marijuana scale to get an idea of the weight. They weighed in at 0.2g, and 0.0g (until I added a gel capsules which are known to be ~1/3rd of 0.1g) at which point it went to 0.1g.

I dissolved the powders to a dilution of 20mg/ml. Stored in freezer between uses. I find the 2CT7 gets VERY MILKY at this temperature. I let it thaw before dosing.

My dose schedule and experiences are following:

5-meo-DiPT
Allergy Test — 0.1ml (2mg) dissolved in 1 cup (250ml) of water. water consumed in 125ml portions 1 week apart. No effect.

* 12mg — me and a close friend (after I subjected him to a 1mg allergy test a couple days beforehand) sampled the material at a music festival. It was a slightly overcast morning and the festivities hadn't really begun. It was about 10 am. We laid in big net hammocks as we came up. Extremely slight visual distortion reminiscent of psilocybin. Body felt achey with jaw tension (not clenching just this awful tense feeling). We agreed this substance wasn't what we expected or desired. He completely swore against further research and we basically agreed people had told tall tales of a boring substance. I didn't necessarily out-rule further experimentation. He did. That said we ended up meeting a mate and consuming some modest (~20mg) bumps of ketamine [around +4hrs]. Well I was modest, I'm extremely sensitive and dislike nasal damage. The DiPT was enhanced by this drug. The visuals coalesced to create a new aesthetic unlike either substance on it's own. We still weren't entirely in love with the stuff, decided to smoke walk around smoking ~10mg-20mg hits of DMT. This mild dose went nicely with the DiPT. Felt like it brought out the best in it. Trip ended and we felt it was unremarkable.

* 17mg — the visuals were out of this world. this was a week later at a second festival. couldn't handle being in public. the visuals were similar to 10 hits of LSD in potency. the ground was rippling like waves in the sea and trees and lights were spiralling around in chaotic and bizarre shapes. I danced it off, but understood nothing about my surroundings. This sketched me out badly. I advise against increasing the dose like this.

*15mg — I didn't consume this dose. I provided the material to friends. They had little in the way of expectations (never heard of "foxy". We went to a pink floyd laser show. Lots of wide-eyed conversations amongst each other for about 3 hours. Then we returned home and slept. They described it as feeling like mushrooms without the body-load (i found the opposite so I found that interesting—I don't get a body load or stomach pain from mushrooms)

Bottom Line: Start low and work your way up in 1mg increments. This material is best enjoyed in moderation. It's incredibly potent and the visuals from 17mg were indescribable.

2CT7
Allergy Test — 0.1ml (2mg) dissolved in 1 cup (250ml) of water. water consumed in 125ml portions 1 week apart. No effect.

* 15mg - unremarkable visuals, almost nothing in fact. just biked around my town feeling slightly stoned and maybe a hint of a lattice work. nothing near as visual as 2CB was for me.

* 20mg - this was killer. I went to a music festival that sort of had a country feel to it, but played a wide variety of music from folk to electronic to a few rock acts. I was arrived early and was very sleep deprived. The festival gates weren't open yet, so I decided to find a quiet (but sunny field) place to take a nap. I put the material in a beer. Took a bike ride (drank the beer), found the sunny field (about 30 mins later—hadn't come on yet). Took a nap for about 1.5 hrs. felt some alerts at about 1 hr sort of reminded me of mescaline CEVs but without any warm or fuzzy character. Felt cold and mechanical. Went to the festival, got on the dance floor but my body felt incredibly fucked up. Maybe it was 4 weeks of festivals (dancing on the floor for 6 hour-stints) and working 5-12 hour days (last day was 5 days ago). Introverted extremely. Visuals were lame. Mescaline like, but without any depth. Just enhancement of colour (felt sort of teal) and a very slight lattice/spiderweb. my body was KILLING me. I LOVE DANCING to good music and I could barely move. My shoulders were tense like nothing I've ever felt. At about T+6:00hr I decided to start swinging my arms and doing lunges. I developed a pretty intense sense of joy and people around me didn't really understand why i went from being very awkward and unpleasant to screaming at the top of my lungs and expressing my love for the universe. From T+10:00hr+ i felt like I had come down. This was the best part—was extremely extroverted having great conversation all over the place (I felt pretty much sober, but invigorated). My headspace was in a place that I determined I prefer psychedelics in the private wilderness with close friends. Yet there is still something magic about psychedelics and an AMAZING sound system. This is why I subject myself to difficulty even though most people consider psychedelics + public places an obvious no-brainer. But I go to more shows sober now than before.

Bottom Line: body tension was painful, but the trip was remarkable (however I'm not even sure if it was the 2CT7). I didn't really feel the euphoria realization until T+10:00 hrs. Up to that point it was un-pleasant and un-remarkable with very little visuals

I know that's extremely long winded, but I figured if you're interested in detail tere it is. My use of psychedelics is about once every 3 months, accelerating to about every 2 weeks during June-September.

As a direct response to your post though—I also have incredible, lovely experiences on 2CB (My favourite doses have been: 7mg, and 27mg—Incredible visuals. Beautiful feeling. One of my favourite allies. VERY PLEASANT "BODY-LOAD," only negative effect I've ever felt was abdomen cramping. But I was dancing like a maniac to drum & bass so I probably achieved that naturally.

With 2CT7 the body load was HORRENDOUS. Literally soul crushing. But it almost revealed some things about myself and led me into a state of bliss, so I'm not sure how I feel about it. I haven't revisited it, but I intend to either flush the remaining material down the toilet and stick with mescaline acetate—or try a 50mg dose.

5-Meo-DiPT made my body feel completely awkward. Unlike 2CB which makes it feel lovely. There is some potential here for me with 5-8mg doses and combination with DMT and other short acting pschedelics/harmala alkaloids (only 1-4mg in that case). It has a interesting synergy, but by itself is not inspiring.

Thank you for your insights, they are much appreciated! I am yet to sample either chem yet.

I forgot to mention. My other experiment with T7 was at 7mg.

It felt sort of like I did at T+10hr after the 20mg dose. It was pretty casual and put me in a generally cheerful mood where I felt compelled to converse with others, but little in the ways of visual or mental stimulation. Just a compulsion to communicate, and a general sense of alertness, but not stimulation.

My reasoning for jumping to 20mg (besides that 7mg is very a very low dose for T7 ref: erowid), because for me 2CB produces a PLEASANT body load and having read trip reports about T7 also producing "body-load" I was expecting "it's a 2C .. so should be similar."

But that wasn't further from the truth. At the higher dose the body load arrived like a train running into my face. Worst feeling ever (but not enough to make me panic or anything, just enough to not have a good time for 6 hours). But as I said that trip ended in pure Bliss—I wouldn't take it back if I could, but I'm also extremely leery to repeat it....

To reiterate I find these substances enjoyable at extremely low doses—unlike say 2CB, MDA, LSD, or Mescaline which I enjoy at more of a breakthrough level (although there is always a time-and-place for moderation with all substances).

To me the real "blue mystic" will always be 2CB. I have to admit that spiritually and personally speaking I've learned more and developed human character with MDA, LSD, DMT and Mescaline. But 2CB puts me in a place of pure mysticism and visceral connection with movement and aesthetic realization.

I know this thread is a month old or so, but I just saw this and it's interesting to me. I recently created a "HPPD" thread in the health & safety forum. I used 2C-T-7 on quite a few occasions prior to starting to experience symptoms. Your post reminded me of one specific hellish experience really close to the onset of symptoms. I was much more reckless back then than I am now and it was the one (and only) time I ever dosed a RC without weighing the dose properly myself beforehand. I trusted that a friend had done this adequately. I never made that mistake again. I knew it was way too much immediately after it started taking effect and was extremely scared throughout the duration of the trip (when I was sane enough to comprehend what I had taken and what was happening) that I had taken enough to OD.

At one point I was shaking so badly you would have thought I was convulsing. Heart was beating out of control. Also, I've never experienced this with any other drug (and don't recall it when it did happen during this trip) but I was told I went from an extremely nonsensical state to being confrontational and aggressive when there was absolutely no reason for it and that this went on for over an hour while I was peaking. Anyone around me was only trying to help the situation but I was told I was being completely irrational about everything and a real hassle for my sitters. I've also witnessed this behavior in another individual who took a strong oral dose.

I don't like much body load and with lower doses it seems manageable with 2C-T-7, but at higher doses it can be really really extreme. Some of the worst I've ever experienced. I've seen a lot of people use 2C-T-7 and I'm going to go ahead and discourage anyone who comes across this to insufflate it. Although I liked dosing it via this route because it was a much shorter experience and didn't carry the body load that oral doses did for me, it's not worth it. There's such a fine line between an effective dose and downright scary or lethal dose with this ROA and this specific chem. It also seems to be unpredictable. When I say that I mean that I noticed dosages and intensity of experience varying from person to person, which led to some taking more (upping the danger aspect IMO). I'll probably never take T7 again. I've just seen too much negativity from it. IMO 2C-T-21 and 2C-C-NBOMe are both more interesting...the latter being my most recent endeavor.

Anyways I'm really interested in anyone who has either experienced strong "HPPD" type symptoms after 2C-T-7 (or any 2C-x for that matter).