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#61 Posted : 1/24/2009 6:21:37 PM

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SWIM can vouch for cocaine. The comedown definitely sucks, but it never seemed to drain SWIM as much as E. If one has a proper sense of their dosage of cocaine in a night or in a week, one can keep their tolerance (thus dosage) down, save some money, and become accustomed to the impact of the comedown. SWIM has never experienced physical addiction to anything other than caffeine. There's definitely a perpetual fondness for coke ingrained in SWIM, though he hasn't done it in over a year.
 
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#63 Posted : 1/25/2009 8:52:49 PM

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No is it good?


yea, its allright. Have a watch, I laughed most of the way through. the guys a comedian Smile
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#64 Posted : 1/25/2009 9:20:11 PM

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Infinite 1 - Obama was put into office through the democratic process (votes) he wan't put there by the puppett master...or the global occult,and i guess that may be why it seems Americans are overly optimistic... plus it's our first "half" African American leader which is also a very emotional thing for many the have been put through slavery and up untill the civil rights movement.

He isnt a hero by any means ( he's a politician) but he does have the gift of bringing people together. If the global elite were to ever go down..ya know the "puppettmasters", it would have to be done by "We The People" and we will need someone that can bring "us" together.If his intentions are true, "they" probably wont let him live, and if that were to happen... you could very well see a revolution.

I think Obama is well oware of the role he play's and knows that he is not the man behind the curtain.I do have hope that he means what he sais and that he is learning to keep his friends close and his enemies closer (my favorite line from the "Godfather"Pleased and will improve our foreign relations and improving our current situation.He's not the second coming of christ but he is a breadth of fresh air...which offers a little hope (atleast for me).I'm tired of living in an evil empire version of a democracy.

With all of this in cosideration... the decriminalization of MJ is just one small thing.If our country can change..to where we now have an African American President, i don't think decriminalization MJ is that much of a stretch anymore.



Democratic process?? Its really just a smokescreen to make you think you have a choice. You can choose this guy or this guy, there you have choice Rolling eyes either way nothing will really change, though it may seem to on the surface. When they vote on important issues both parties usually agree. Iraq, afghanistan shit like that.

I can understand peoples optimism, specially being a black american but hes really just another puppet, they all are. He says he wants to ban torture and he'll close guantanamo bay, but eh thats going to take a year, thats a long time to be locked up and tortured christ. Also this happened just after his inaguration, http://timesofindia.indi...articleshow/4031523.cms

So the bombs continue to fall and the agenda continues. People continue sufefering due to american "interests" America wants a finger in every pie in the world, its called an empire and obama isnt going to stop any of this stuff, the people who can stop this is the masses instead of handing over the power to these politicians, but unfortunately people think obamas great and the worlds getting better, try telling that to the people of iraq afghanistan colombia gaza etc. Western folk just dont care about their human brothers and sisters in these countries as it doesnt effect them, but american interests effect the whole world, and look at the state of it!
 
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#65 Posted : 1/26/2009 10:21:59 AM
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Obama cannot change the world, or even america on his own. Yet there is a difference. There is a greater chance that the political climate will change if the (formal) leader of the nation publicly will admit that for instance poverty is a problem, instead of saying that poverty is a good thing because it motivates people to work harder, like bush has been saying. Obama's inaugural speech alone means a big difference in political tone.
But many people expected changes when clinton got into power. There is a bigger chance that something actually will change if (the american) public remains critical.
 
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#66 Posted : 1/26/2009 3:07:51 PM

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they will never fully legalize it. in my opinion they shouldn't send anyone to jail for it.. only heavy duty dealers should be locked up. but as for people who grow it in their back yards for them and their friends to share there should be no prosecution. the problem with most dealers is that they sell the whole array of stuff. i also see no need for MJ to be sold anywhere. its about the easiest plant to grow next to tobacco. i'd never pay anything for MJ.. what i can make myself i won't pay for.
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#67 Posted : 1/26/2009 3:15:38 PM
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Technically they would have to send 25% of all highschoolkids to jail, if not more. That's how absurd it's legal status is.
Going to jail or having a criminal record is more damaging to kids than smoking MJ.
 
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#68 Posted : 1/26/2009 4:54:48 PM
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Going to jail or having a criminal record is more damaging to kids than smoking MJ.


That is correct. If I were to get a possession charge in my state I would face a 200 fine, up to 30 days jail time*, probation, I would loose ALL of my loans/ grants / scholarships due to federal law, because I had less than a half oz in my possession.

*I am aware that I most likely wont have any jail time if arrested.
 
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#69 Posted : 1/26/2009 5:26:57 PM
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Pure cocaine takes about 30 sec to numb your gums and is not tingly but constant. Lidocaine numbs almost immediately and leaves a tingly sensation.


What about speed? Foaf is sure most coke has speed in it, he's only ever had really nice stuff a couple of times (he never buys it, but sometimes accepts when offered if he's in the mood).
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So the bombs continue to fall and the agenda continues. People continue sufefering due to american "interests" America wants a finger in every pie in the world, its called an empire and obama isnt going to stop any of this stuff, the people who can stop this is the masses instead of handing over the power to these politicians, but unfortunately people think obamas great and the worlds getting better, try telling that to the people of iraq afghanistan colombia gaza etc. Western folk just dont care about their human brothers and sisters in these countries as it doesnt effect them, but american interests effect the whole world, and look at the state of it!


Its not so much that the people don't care but the leadership doesn't care and tricks people into not caring or makes up false solutions to solve others problems as well as their own. Although I'd say the majority is to apathetic and ignorant to do much or know even what the answers really are.

In truth Obama isn't going to change anything major. He's already let some bombs fall on pakistan, he wants more war in afghanistan, he hasn't stopped dea raids on medical marijuana patients (although he might given a bit more time), his economic plans are going to collapse the dollar. The only hope is for people to stop putting up with this shit. But people are too dumb to even know what the problem is...

 
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But people are too dumb to even know what the problem is...




So, praytell what IS the problem?
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#72 Posted : 1/27/2009 10:24:58 PM

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shoe wrote:
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But people are too dumb to even know what the problem is...




So, praytell what IS the problem?


Havent you seen the state of the world recently?? Wars all over the place and america usually has a hand in them. Things like human suffereing due to americas agenda. People being poisned by drugs and chemicals and food, not having enough food or water. General poverty, I hardly make anything but thats nothing compared to some folk. There are many in the world who dont have the basics when it shouldnt be this way. America is the superpower and they choose not to do anything. Prohibition stems from america too, that effects you. Theres a lot of problems and a shiny new president isnt going to change things.
 
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Infinite I wrote:
shoe wrote:
burnt wrote:
But people are too dumb to even know what the problem is...




So, praytell what IS the problem?


Havent you seen the state of the world recently?? Wars all over the place and america usually has a hand in them. Things like human suffereing due to americas agenda. People being poisned by drugs and chemicals and food, not having enough food or water. General poverty, I hardly make anything but thats nothing compared to some folk. There are many in the world who dont have the basics when it shouldnt be this way. America is the superpower and they choose not to do anything. Prohibition stems from america too, that effects you. Theres a lot of problems and a shiny new president isnt going to change things.



Then I disagree with you, I think that a large number of people 'know what the problem is' but either cant find solutions, can't change anything on their own, or don't give a flying fuck.

Just the way you said it, kinda Implied that you had some magic solution, ready to be shared at the drop of a hat
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#75 Posted : 1/28/2009 3:33:11 AM

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Wars and BRUTAL TORTURE have been going on since....some say the history of man.

And it's not just America's interest's that are causing conflict....infact it certainly not mine or anyone else i know. Americans are not the only guilty one's.

Like polytrip,so elequently said "baby steps".

Hey, Infinite 1
I got a good book i think you'd dig, it's called "rule by secrecy" by Jim Marrs. He also wrote, "Alien Ageda" (must read),"PSI SPIES", "The war on freedom" (The 9/11 conspiracies) and he also wrote a book about the JFK conspiracy.

I'm a bit of a conspiracy nut, myself. Jim Marrs is by far my fav. conspiracy author with multiple degrees in investigative journalism, he covered vietnam and ect...

He is very unbiased and just lays out the fact's in order for you "the reader" to come to his or her own conclusions.
If you like David Icke (x soccer...or i should say football player/ television sports announcer),you should like Jim Marrs aswell, he covers a lot of the same issues without shoving his ideas down your throat and with a lot more fact to back his arguments.You should check him out if you havent already.

Sorry....I believe we were talking about ganja and the nasty criminals that support this horrific plant Smile
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ohayoco wrote:
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Pure cocaine takes about 30 sec to numb your gums and is not tingly but constant. Lidocaine numbs almost immediately and leaves a tingly sensation.


What about speed? Foaf is sure most coke has speed in it, he's only ever had really nice stuff a couple of times (he never buys it, but sometimes accepts when offered if he's in the mood).


It likely depends where you are. SWIM thinks most is however cocaine cut with lidociane, caffeine...and other substances some psycho some inert. Check out the DEA microgram. They analyse samples and report the contents. Maybe sometimes meth is present but it is not common. Street cocaine is usually cocaine, there is no shortage but its about 20% pure with a bunch of other crap. People would def notice the diff b/w cociane and meth as the cocaine high lasts 20 minutes with out another line whereas meth lasts much longer. Out west though may be a diff story as there seems to be a lot of meth. But from SWIMs experience and reading about testing SWIM doubts that much is meth. There is an equal demand for meth. Pure to pure they are about the same price, meth may actually be more although meth is more potent and lasts longer. It seems much more likely that people just cut it with cheap stimulant crap like caffeine rather than expensive drugs.
 
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Btw Bufoman, Im sure you know this allready but as he said 'speed' - here in the UK speed generally means just straight amphetamine and not methamphetamine (which is generally refered to as crystal speed, or glass/ice etc) while Im sure this can be snorted too, most people would probably smoke it; since that was the point in freebasing the amphetamine.
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and just F.Y.I my friend told me that "speed" (lets just say amphetamine) costs about £10/gram whereas coke is £40/gram generally, so its perfectly possible that coke is cut with amphetamine.

I don't know though, this whole thing isn't my thing.
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Snorting pure caffeine gives a very similar effect to snorting street bought cocaine, except for the numbing of course. SWIM's FOAF has plenty of pure caffeine around him and he's accustomed at snorting it regularly. It's a good experience.

The very first time he snorted street cocaine he said, shit, this feels like caffeine, what's the big fuzz with cocaine. Well, street bought cocaine gives little of a cocaine effect any more.

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Yeah, the size of line SWIM needs from street coke is huge compared to coke straight from the coca. SWIM has vowed to stay away from the street shit, unless he has strong vouchers for it's purity; even then SWIM would still have to purify it, which isn't really difficult to do.
 
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