Ive been making spice for a while now and im pretty good at it..most of my batches come out clean white depending on my naphtha color..ive been told its some of the best out there from around the area and when i smoke it im blasted in one toke..so I guess this is what puzzles me..

My friend was over not so long ago and I was pretty stoked to see him try some, but to my surprise there was no effect..so I then revert to the 1# rule, MORE, LONGER, STRONGER tokes..after about 3 to 4 tries I just gave up as he said he only felt a little light headed, and no he wasnt on any other meds and he didnt eat red meat..I pretty much wrote it off as WELL..he must have no soul or brain completely depleted from DMT from the get go and all its doing is filling it up.. NOT LIKELY but this is all I got..so it gets even stranger..

A girl I introduced to it who has NEVER done drugs before not even smoked weed tryd some and toke after toke she only felt a little strange and felt sick to the stomach..now this has happened to 3/3 girls so far and it cant be my stuff cause some of my buddys are having huge breakthroughs..

A friend of mine who introduced it to alot of people and knows VERY well how it should be smoked said there has been 7 non-effected and writes it off as that they were "simple minded"..now I guess that opens up a whole can of worms. Is DMT chemical or something totally different because it seems more and more as time is going by people arnt effected..

I know this probably isnt the right forum post but im only aloud to post here as im a new member, but I need some answeres cause this is creeping me out BIG TIME..

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Here is a reference from DMT: The Spirit Molecule PG 358

Chapter 22

Terrence McKenna introduced hundreds of people to DMT, and during a visit on his botanical preserve in Hawaii several years ago, we talked about this. He estimated that perhaps 5 percent of people to whom he had given DMT showed nearly no effect. Terrence's 5 percent estimate is exactly what we saw in our own research:three out of sixty volunteers. "

Ok, so this will not effectively relate to DMT but relates to drugs and no effects. I mentioned this story in another post. I will post again in words off the top of my head.

When I was younger like 12 or so. I got my friend turned on to Marijuana. I had been smoking since I was 9 and very much loved MJ. So I thought I would share it with my best friend. I rolled up a joint of what was good stuff to me and went ahead and we blazed. I was zonked!! I asked him how he felt. He said he felt nothing. So I got him to blaze more and more.. Still nothing.... *puzzled* So at a later date we tried again, nothing happened... Again at a later date.. Still nothing!! There must have been something wrong with this guy!! By the 4th session he felt something, he was ZONKED!!
So what I gather is your body maybe has to learn how to use these chemicals, or has an immunity to it at first. I am sure your body has to learn how to digest certain foods, so same with drugs. Just a hunch. Someone mentioned the Cannaboid recepters and Marijuana had not developed yet (or something to that nature).

The first few times I smoked weed it had no effect on me. Then years later I smoked a small amount and had physical hallucinations. Felt sensations outside my body. I would believe that it has something to do with tolerance. I have seen people that it takes quite a bit of weed to get high (non smokers) and yet if I take a small pipe hit I'm baked out of my mind and unable to perform many tasks.

Salvia had no effect on me when I tried smoking it.

5mg vicadins have no effect on me. I used to feel high if I took one. Now it takes large doses to treat pain. I don't take hydrocodones though so why the tolerance?

Before my brother ever really drank alcohol he had occasions where he would take a shot or drink a beer. He would feel nothing from either. Even after a couple. If I take a single shot I'm feeling it's effects for sure. I don't drink barely at all anymore.

I think a lot has to do with body chemistry and possibly how fast your body metabolizes certain chemicals. Maybe people whom dmt has no effect on, they break down dmt so fast it doesn't have time to do anything. I would like to know more info about those it doesn't effect.

I believe some people can need higher doses entering the brain, and considering the poor vaporization methods so many people use, I wouldn't be surprised if some people wouldn't get proper effects even from vaporized 100mg.
I think to say they can't get the effects for sure might even require injecting the DMT into the blood. I might even speculate that it not working for them could have some kind of connection to the lungs.
Vaporization requires proper technique and holding the vapor in to get the effects properly, something I am sure many people don't do/have.
Altough there is sometimes no effects from normal doses for me, but that is usually due to vaporizing too frequently.

Of course there's the possibility that some people might get only mild effects from normal doses, but I don't believe they can't get it to work until it's known that the proper dose has entered the brain, which as mentioned before, injecting would proof if proper vaporization device would also fail. Altough it's most likely very unpleasant method of administration.

hmm.. ive been reading posts and it seems the vapor genie is the way to go.. i guess those can b bought online or ebay for cheep right? what is the process of injecting? how do i prepair the mixture? and is it like mainlining how the down folks on the street do yikk..

I don't recommend injection unless you have some experience in the medical field atleast. Even then I don't recommend iv. You have to be 1000% sure you has correctly measure out the dose and even then you should start out exrtrenely small

I was referring it only as a method to make sure you know what amount has entered the blood in case of a bad smoking device or person with a good device but with poor technique. Only then we could know if it's true that the person isn't affected. I doubt there are people who can't feel DMT (at least with harmalas) at all at any dose.

I think injecting is absolutely unnecessary considering the efficiency and convencience of proper vaporization method.

I completely agree heheh, I hope op wasnt serious lol

Tele, you dont think its possible that there are people who can only be effected by DMT in certain ways? Like say through the natural process only, or natural and IV?

IF it were possible that some people can smoke/drink any amount of DMT and not have any side effects, I would say that it has something to do with the body breaking it down faster then normal.



I would be led to believe that Strassman's volunteers were given intravenous DMT. So that would mean that they were essentially immune to IV?

I wonder what exactly this means.

My wife gets barely any effects, she said it felt like the very tail end of a mushroom trip and that she felt light headed. This was from up to 40mgs vaped.

Che does enjoy changa though she says she feels it more than any mental or visual effects. She says it feels very sensual.

I want her to try pharma though, maybe the MAOI's in the changa make her feel it more, so pharma would be a decent trip for her, but I don't know.

Every person has a unique body chemistry. That's the only logical conclusion I can come up with. There are abnormalities in a great deal of humans, some good, some bad; I'd chalk this one up as bad.

Ya but in so many people? I have yet to find one girl that is effected by it lol..the wide majority of the female population are pretty "simple minded" lol..maybe ill try the changa, ill have to look for a good tek

What would be a good idea is try and find similarities between the women it doesn't effect. Also note difference. It might help in finding a way to detect who it wont effect and lead to finding out why.

I have my girlfriend almost talked into trying a very small dose. I know she could benefit from it. her only hangup she said is "your body makes it right before you die" and she knows thats a dumb reason but cant shake the idea.

There's no empirical evidence to support this.

From what we know so far, the ever-changing cycling physiological make-up of women (see estrous cycle) can make them less or more immune to dmt. Strassman's was aiming to look on estrous cycle of female participants and the type of dmt experiences, but they didn't do it eventually, since it adds many layers of complications.

If you want to draw any conclusion about females taking dmt, at least make the effort to note which stage of their cycle they are, this may give you a clue.

What I meant is that its theorized, and after hearing this on the documentary it stuck in her mind.

haha hey u on ur rag? they'd probly just think im try'n to get in there pants

Yeah I believe if there are people who can't get effects from plain DMT could have something to do with the body's reaction to it, that's why i mentioned:
"I doubt there are people who can't feel DMT (at least with harmalas) at all at any dose.

I believe vaporized DMT not working has nothing to do with being "simple minded" like one poster speculates in this topic.

EDIT: I don't close the suggestion of Smokerx below out of question, but for some reason I believe we as humans are "programmed" to react to DMT, even if it takes higher doses or harmalas to bring out the effects.

Maybe some people are not meant to be using DMT. They are not ready and this is the way the body react to it.

I agree with you tele. I think we are programmed for dmt as well. Like its everyone chemical version of an iPhone with access to an Internet that no other device can access