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#21 Posted : 3/24/2012 4:32:45 PM

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@ChaoticMethod, very cool post. I like the alien surrealist bits of Nome Edona.

The whole mechanical component of these types of experience makes me wonder... has the machine imagery a cultural origin or not? I mean, do indigenous shamans -living in natural environments, with barely or no familiarity with industrial machinery, with cogs and valves- see similar things?

Which is almost the same as asking whether hyperspace/psychedelic events are a reflection of our own personal mind and experiences, or of a superior, archetypal reality from where we draw our ideas, legends and inventions somehow. And that's the million dollar question again.

In a way, these biomechanical designs seem to relate to a more human scale of technology, not organic, nor alien, and that's an interesting bit.
 

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#22 Posted : 3/24/2012 4:47:59 PM

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Vodsel wrote:
@ChaoticMethod, very cool post. I like the alien surrealist bits of Nome Edona.

The whole mechanical component of these types of experience makes me wonder... has the machine imagery a cultural origin or not? I mean, do indigenous shamans -living in natural environments, with barely or no familiarity with industrial machinery, with cogs and valves- see similar things?

Which is almost the same as asking whether hyperspace/psychedelic events are a reflection of our own personal mind and experiences, or of a superior, archetypal reality from where we draw our ideas, legends and inventions somehow. And that's the million dollar question again.

In a way, these biomechanical designs seem to relate to a more human scale of technology, not organic, nor alien, and that's an interesting bit.


For me it is usually very alien technology. Still, I believe they are in some way influenced by our personal experience and culture. For example, when I was selling fruits in a market a couple of years ago, I had this breaktrough where I was shown biomech fruits and vegetables with a very alien aesthetic, and advertisements with glyphic designs trying to "sell" me those marvelous delicacies.

I believe that what we see "over there" are mostly patterns and etheral organisms that can shape itself/themselves to adjust to the traveler's psyché. Some may see it as flow of energy, others as inter-linked biomechanical constructs... most of the time it can vary from one experience to the other... The fact is that our consciousness is still functioning even if we aren't totally in control of it. We are still busy "interpreting" what we experience through our own point of view.
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#23 Posted : 3/25/2012 3:13:08 AM

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This thread gave me the idea to use Giger as the subject of that art paper I need to do for University.

While looking for some of his work, I stumbled upon this own that reminds me a lot of a past experience I had with DMT.

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#24 Posted : 3/25/2012 5:09:10 AM
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..Alex Grey described H.R. Giger's art as "a bad trip, painted well..", but certainly it's highly evocative..
Giger was an H.P. Lovecraft fan, so his vision tens to the darker side of phenomena..

as for 'bio-mechanical', McKenna coined the term 'machine elf'..his description also emphasizes the constantly morphing aspect of these 'entities'..and a lot more color than Giger as tele says..
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#25 Posted : 3/25/2012 12:56:17 PM

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*nods head in concurrence* - and the post bringing up Jeremy Narby/Cosmic Serpent is exactly what I was thinking - like looking at the cellular level or other building blocks of the biosphere.
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#26 Posted : 3/25/2012 4:09:42 PM
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lysergify wrote:
like looking at the cellular level or other building blocks of the biosphere.


This is well said. I have many times speculated(as I mentioned earlier) that the biomechanic visuals could actually be my self/brain working "on another level". And presence of entities as even operators who are all working together with me sometimes doesn't sound too crazyLaughing
 
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tele wrote:

This is well said. I have many times speculated(as I mentioned earlier) that the biomechanic visuals could actually be my self/brain working "on another level". And presence of entities as even operators who are all working together with me sometimes doesn't sound too crazyLaughing

In one trip I was informed you have to go inwards to go outwards, I was 100% sure I went to the center of my mind that time and there were beings working at a rapid pace to keep things ticking over in there.
Black then white are all I see in my infancy.
Red and yellow then came to be,
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There is so much more and it beckons me to look though to these,
infinite possibilities.
As below so above and beyond I imagine,
drawn outside the lines of reason.
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#28 Posted : 3/25/2012 6:45:58 PM
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ewok wrote:
tele wrote:

This is well said. I have many times speculated(as I mentioned earlier) that the biomechanic visuals could actually be my self/brain working "on another level". And presence of entities as even operators who are all working together with me sometimes doesn't sound too crazyLaughing

In one trip I was informed you have to go inwards to go outwards, I was 100% sure I went to the center of my mind that time and there were beings working at a rapid pace to keep things ticking over in there.


Yeah if we actually consider how complex beings we are then I wouldn't be surprised if it would require some beings to "keep the clock ticking"Laughing
 
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#29 Posted : 5/26/2012 1:19:04 PM
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Has anyone else ever speculated that we are biomechanical beings at least on some level?
For example when I watch some kind of bright image(like in a computer screen) on DMT, and then close my eyes, I can see how the image is made of very synchronized and geometrical biomechanical matter, and this happens every time if I do this on DMT. And as mentioned earlier, it's not uncommon for me to see some kind of "operators" in the biomechanical landscape.
 
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#30 Posted : 5/26/2012 7:10:18 PM

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tele wrote:
Has anyone else ever speculated that we are biomechanical beings at least on some level?
For example when I watch some kind of bright image(like in a computer screen) on DMT, and then close my eyes, I can see how the image is made of very synchronized and geometrical biomechanical matter, and this happens every time if I do this on DMT. And as mentioned earlier, it's not uncommon for me to see some kind of "operators" in the biomechanical landscape.


I get that same phenomena with looking at a light and closing my eyes and seeing the biomechanical nature in the after-image. My guess is that light is the key at the heart of the DMT experience (and experience altogether for that matter), and on DMT we are privvy to seeing light and energy through a different kind of filter. We can see the possibilities and potential within what we would ordinarily regard as "formless" light. Within the light, we see what we would ordinarily consider as diametric opposites being organic living tissue and the cold mechanical nature of cogs and gears. The light doesn't differentiate, it is both. I think it's hinting at how light itself really is living and a form of consciousness in itself. That's my best guess. It's probably not right, but it's my best guess Thumbs up
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#31 Posted : 5/26/2012 8:06:14 PM
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My guess would be that maybe we are weird ass biomechanical creatures on some levelShocked Surprised Neutral Laughing

Oh well, at least it's fun to speculateWink
 
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#32 Posted : 5/28/2012 4:09:52 AM

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Absolutely 100% bio-mechanical themes for me, although these particular paintings and artists don't evoke or capture the flavor of my experiences.
 
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#33 Posted : 5/28/2012 11:57:22 AM
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For me it's interesting to see how one is able to draw biomechanics in general in such a manner. Obviously hyperspace is mostly colored and way more complex, but I was almost shocked how someone can draw biomechanics in such a detail. So for now, in art, it's the closest thing that resembles hyperspace biomechanics in my experience
 
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