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vovin
#21 Posted : 3/16/2012 2:45:31 AM

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You either have a full scale revolution or you do not. This halfway crap isn't going to accomplish anything. There will come a time when we either become the United States of North Korea or we as a people revolt full scale completely overtaking our government. As I see it the one major question that stands to be asked is will the military and police join us or them. Don't think too fast their loyalty lies with us. Many will not have the courage to stand up to the oppressor and following offers it's own rewards. This is war people a real one.
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majesticnature
#22 Posted : 3/16/2012 3:29:54 AM

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It can be war or it can be an assimilation of the people to power.

Love is the only answer to this. The dawn of the new age is on the horizon. The people need to continue to take voice. Peace. Love. Happinness. Planet. Wellbeing.

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JohnHuman
#23 Posted : 3/16/2012 6:04:54 AM

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Well, majestic that is funny that you brought up those points. Being a active member in the occupy movement myself i would have to enjoy that people are talking about it and trying to get involved or even understanding the movement. To vovin, i totally agree with you on the half-revolution. However, all movements have to start somewhere in the world with a small amount of people. All movements will gain steam if the people believe in the them. I personally, believe in them and joined the movement last year.
 
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#24 Posted : 3/16/2012 1:40:20 PM
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I pray for the day all technology will be wiped out.maybe a huge solar storm.then let's see how we act.it would be nice to actually have to go outside and talk to someone about the latest news or to just be with someone who is in the same boat.
 
majesticnature
#25 Posted : 3/16/2012 6:08:36 PM

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TimeCat wrote:
I pray for the day all technology will be wiped out.maybe a huge solar storm.then let's see how we act.it would be nice to actually have to go outside and talk to someone about the latest news or to just be with someone who is in the same boat.


I know it sounds kind of rediculous but it would be kind of nice to have common denominator for us all to start connecting again on a personal face to face level.

I am going to make an effort to participate in the occupy movements. The more people the better.

I think the Occcupy movement needs some direction though, as psychadelicbuddah said, he's still trying to understand the movement as I think many people are. I think alot people are saying like ok well what does this movement mean or where is it headed.

The movement needs a definite end, one that is peaceful and loving, however as it is a leaderless, and should remain leaderless, the ends has to be a collective idea.

I was listening to joe rogan talk about the movement and he was saying this is the only movement that has a "lets take over the government" kind of feeling to it.

I think we should take over the government as it would seem the government does not serve to us AT ALL! It only thinks with in the interest of money not the wellbeing and happiness of the people. They hide things from us like existence of aliens, they illegalize our right to connect with spirit via psychadlics, they pollute and destroy the planet, on and on and on all for the sake of economy.

I believe the government should be an alliance of love that feeds the flourishment of love to the planet in anyway possible.

I believe there are minds that have the answers to fix these problems its simply a matter of allowing the people to rise to power.
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Saidin
#26 Posted : 3/17/2012 7:47:14 PM

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Things are getting even crazier. This is an executive order given out yesterday. Pretty scary stuff in here...timing is interesting, looks like the SHTF may not be too far off...

Like this part which takes control of ALL US production assets...ALL food and food production...ALL transportation and ALL persons needed for labor!

www.whitehouse.gov

Part II

(e) The Secretary of each resource department, when necessary, shall make the finding required under section 101(b) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2071(b). This finding shall be submitted for the President's approval through the Assistant to the President and National Security Advisor and the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism. Upon such approval, the Secretary of the resource department that made the finding may use the authority of section 101(a) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2071(a), to control the general distribution of any material (including applicable services) in the civilian market.


The White House

Office of the Press Secretary

For Immediate Release March 16, 2012
Executive Order -- National Defense Resources Preparedness
EXECUTIVE ORDER

NATIONAL DEFENSE RESOURCES PREPAREDNESS

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the Defense Production Act of 1950, as amended (50 U.S.C. App. 2061 et seq.), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code, and as Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces of the United States, it is hereby ordered as follows:

PART I - PURPOSE, POLICY, AND IMPLEMENTATION

Section 101. Purpose. This order delegates authorities and addresses national defense resource policies and programs under the Defense Production Act of 1950, as amended (the "Act"Pleased.

Sec. 102. Policy. The United States must have an industrial and technological base capable of meeting national defense requirements and capable of contributing to the technological superiority of its national defense equipment in peacetime and in times of national emergency. The domestic industrial and technological base is the foundation for national defense preparedness. The authorities provided in the Act shall be used to strengthen this base and to ensure it is capable of responding to the national defense needs of the United States.

Sec. 103. General Functions. Executive departments and agencies (agencies) responsible for plans and programs relating to national defense (as defined in section 801(j) of this order), or for resources and services needed to support such plans and programs, shall:

(a) identify requirements for the full spectrum of emergencies, including essential military and civilian demand;

(b) assess on an ongoing basis the capability of the domestic industrial and technological base to satisfy requirements in peacetime and times of national emergency, specifically evaluating the availability of the most critical resource and production sources, including subcontractors and suppliers, materials, skilled labor, and professional and technical personnel;

(c) be prepared, in the event of a potential threat to the security of the United States, to take actions necessary to ensure the availability of adequate resources and production capability, including services and critical technology, for national defense requirements;

(d) improve the efficiency and responsiveness of the domestic industrial base to support national defense requirements; and

(e) foster cooperation between the defense and commercial sectors for research and development and for acquisition of materials, services, components, and equipment to enhance industrial base efficiency and responsiveness.

Sec. 104. Implementation. (a) The National Security Council and Homeland Security Council, in conjunction with the National Economic Council, shall serve as the integrated policymaking forum for consideration and formulation of national defense resource preparedness policy and shall make recommendations to the President on the use of authorities under the Act.

(b) The Secretary of Homeland Security shall:

(1) advise the President on issues of national defense resource preparedness and on the use of the authorities and functions delegated by this order;

(2) provide for the central coordination of the plans and programs incident to authorities and functions delegated under this order, and provide guidance to agencies assigned functions under this order, developed in consultation with such agencies; and

(3) report to the President periodically concerning all program activities conducted pursuant to this order.

(c) The Defense Production Act Committee, described in section 701 of this order, shall:

(1) in a manner consistent with section 2(b) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2062(b), advise the President through the Assistant to the President and National Security Advisor, the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism, and the Assistant to the President for Economic Policy on the effective use of the authorities under the Act; and

(2) prepare and coordinate an annual report to the Congress pursuant to section 722(d) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2171(d).

(d) The Secretary of Commerce, in cooperation with the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of Homeland Security, and other agencies, shall:

(1) analyze potential effects of national emergencies on actual production capability, taking into account the entire production system, including shortages of resources, and develop recommended preparedness measures to strengthen capabilities for production increases in national emergencies; and

(2) perform industry analyses to assess capabilities of the industrial base to support the national defense, and develop policy recommendations to improve the international competitiveness of specific domestic industries and their abilities to meet national defense program needs.

PART II - PRIORITIES AND ALLOCATIONS

Sec. 201. Priorities and Allocations Authorities. (a) The authority of the President conferred by section 101 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2071, to require acceptance and priority performance of contracts or orders (other than contracts of employment) to promote the national defense over performance of any other contracts or orders, and to allocate materials, services, and facilities as deemed necessary or appropriate to promote the national defense, is delegated to the following agency heads:

(1) the Secretary of Agriculture with respect to food resources, food resource facilities, livestock resources, veterinary resources, plant health resources, and the domestic distribution of farm equipment and commercial fertilizer;

(2) the Secretary of Energy with respect to all forms of energy;

(3) the Secretary of Health and Human Services with respect to health resources;

(4) the Secretary of Transportation with respect to all forms of civil transportation;

(5) the Secretary of Defense with respect to water resources; and

(6) the Secretary of Commerce with respect to all other materials, services, and facilities, including construction materials.

(b) The Secretary of each agency delegated authority under subsection (a) of this section (resource departments) shall plan for and issue regulations to prioritize and allocate resources and establish standards and procedures by which the authority shall be used to promote the national defense, under both emergency and non-emergency conditions. Each Secretary shall authorize the heads of other agencies, as appropriate, to place priority ratings on contracts and orders for materials, services, and facilities needed in support of programs approved under section 202 of this order.

(c) Each resource department shall act, as necessary and appropriate, upon requests for special priorities assistance, as defined by section 801(l) of this order, in a time frame consistent with the urgency of the need at hand. In situations where there are competing program requirements for limited resources, the resource department shall consult with the Secretary who made the required determination under section 202 of this order. Such Secretary shall coordinate with and identify for the resource department which program requirements to prioritize on the basis of operational urgency. In situations involving more than one Secretary making such a required determination under section 202 of this order, the Secretaries shall coordinate with and identify for the resource department which program requirements should receive priority on the basis of operational urgency.

(d) If agreement cannot be reached between two such Secretaries, then the issue shall be referred to the President through the Assistant to the President and National Security Advisor and the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism.

(e) The Secretary of each resource department, when necessary, shall make the finding required under section 101(b) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2071(b). This finding shall be submitted for the President's approval through the Assistant to the President and National Security Advisor and the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism. Upon such approval, the Secretary of the resource department that made the finding may use the authority of section 101(a) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2071(a), to control the general distribution of any material (including applicable services) in the civilian market.

Sec. 202. Determinations. Except as provided in section 201(e) of this order, the authority delegated by section 201 of this order may be used only to support programs that have been determined in writing as necessary or appropriate to promote the national defense:

(a) by the Secretary of Defense with respect to military production and construction, military assistance to foreign nations, military use of civil transportation, stockpiles managed by the Department of Defense, space, and directly related activities;

(b) by the Secretary of Energy with respect to energy production and construction, distribution and use, and directly related activities; and

(c) by the Secretary of Homeland Security with respect to all other national defense programs, including civil defense and continuity of Government.

Sec. 203. Maximizing Domestic Energy Supplies. The authorities of the President under section 101(c)(1) (2) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2071(c)(1) (2), are delegated to the Secretary of Commerce, with the exception that the authority to make findings that materials (including equipment), services, and facilities are critical and essential, as described in section 101(c)(2)(A) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2071(c)(2)(A), is delegated to the Secretary of Energy.

Sec. 204. Chemical and Biological Warfare. The authority of the President conferred by section 104(b) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2074(b), is delegated to the Secretary of Defense. This authority may not be further delegated by the Secretary.

PART III - EXPANSION OF PRODUCTIVE CAPACITY AND SUPPLY

Sec. 301. Loan Guarantees. (a) To reduce current or projected shortfalls of resources, critical technology items, or materials essential for the national defense, the head of each agency engaged in procurement for the national defense, as defined in section 801(h) of this order, is authorized pursuant to section 301 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2091, to guarantee loans by private institutions.

(b) Each guaranteeing agency is designated and authorized to: (1) act as fiscal agent in the making of its own guarantee contracts and in otherwise carrying out the purposes of section 301 of the Act; and (2) contract with any Federal Reserve Bank to assist the agency in serving as fiscal agent.

(c) Terms and conditions of guarantees under this authority shall be determined in consultation with the Secretary of the Treasury and the Director of the Office of Management and Budget (OMB). The guaranteeing agency is authorized, following such consultation, to prescribe: (1) either specifically or by maximum limits or otherwise, rates of interest, guarantee and commitment fees, and other charges which may be made in connection with such guarantee contracts; and (2) regulations governing the forms and procedures (which shall be uniform to the extent practicable) to be utilized in connection therewith.

Sec. 302. Loans. To reduce current or projected shortfalls of resources, critical technology items, or materials essential for the national defense, the head of each agency engaged in procurement for the national defense is delegated the authority of the President under section 302 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2092, to make loans thereunder. Terms and conditions of loans under this authority shall be determined in consultation with the Secretary of the Treasury and the Director of OMB.

Sec. 303. Additional Authorities. (a) To create, maintain, protect, expand, or restore domestic industrial base capabilities essential for the national defense, the head of each agency engaged in procurement for the national defense is delegated the authority of the President under section 303 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2093, to make provision for purchases of, or commitments to purchase, an industrial resource or a critical technology item for Government use or resale, and to make provision for the development of production capabilities, and for the increased use of emerging technologies in security program applications, and to enable rapid transition of emerging technologies.

(b) Materials acquired under section 303 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2093, that exceed the needs of the programs under the Act may be transferred to the National Defense Stockpile, if, in the judgment of the Secretary of Defense as the National Defense Stockpile Manager, such transfers are in the public interest.

Sec. 304. Subsidy Payments. To ensure the supply of raw or nonprocessed materials from high cost sources, or to ensure maximum production or supply in any area at stable prices of any materials in light of a temporary increase in transportation cost, the head of each agency engaged in procurement for the national defense is delegated the authority of the President under section 303(c) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2093(c), to make subsidy payments, after consultation with the Secretary of the Treasury and the Director of OMB.

Sec. 305. Determinations and Findings. (a) Pursuant to budget authority provided by an appropriations act in advance for credit assistance under section 301 or 302 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2091, 2092, and consistent with the Federal Credit Reform Act of 1990, as amended (FCRA), 2 U.S.C. 661 et seq., the head of each agency engaged in procurement for the national defense is delegated the authority to make the determinations set forth in sections 301(a)(2) and 302(b)(2) of the Act, in consultation with the Secretary making the required determination under section 202 of this order; provided, that such determinations shall be made after due consideration of the provisions of OMB Circular A 129 and the credit subsidy score for the relevant loan or loan guarantee as approved by OMB pursuant to FCRA.

(b) Other than any determination by the President under section 303(a)(7)(b) of the Act, the head of each agency engaged in procurement for the national defense is delegated the authority to make the required determinations, judgments, certifications, findings, and notifications defined under section 303 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2093, in consultation with the Secretary making the required determination under section 202 of this order.

Sec. 306. Strategic and Critical Materials. The Secretary of Defense, and the Secretary of the Interior in consultation with the Secretary of Defense as the National Defense Stockpile Manager, are each delegated the authority of the President under section 303(a)(1)(B) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2093(a)(1)(B), to encourage the exploration, development, and mining of strategic and critical materials and other materials.

Sec. 307. Substitutes. The head of each agency engaged in procurement for the national defense is delegated the authority of the President under section 303(g) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2093(g), to make provision for the development of substitutes for strategic and critical materials, critical components, critical technology items, and other resources to aid the national defense.

Sec. 308. Government-Owned Equipment. The head of each agency engaged in procurement for the national defense is delegated the authority of the President under section 303(e) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2093(e), to:

(a) procure and install additional equipment, facilities, processes, or improvements to plants, factories, and other industrial facilities owned by the Federal Government and to procure and install Government owned equipment in plants, factories, or other industrial facilities owned by private persons;

(b) provide for the modification or expansion of privately owned facilities, including the modification or improvement of production processes, when taking actions under sections 301, 302, or 303 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2091, 2092, 2093; and

(c) sell or otherwise transfer equipment owned by the Federal Government and installed under section 303(e) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2093(e), to the owners of such plants, factories, or other industrial facilities.

Sec. 309. Defense Production Act Fund. The Secretary of Defense is designated the Defense Production Act Fund Manager, in accordance with section 304(f) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2094(f), and shall carry out the duties specified in section 304 of the Act, in consultation with the agency heads having approved, and appropriated funds for, projects under title III of the Act.

Sec. 310. Critical Items. The head of each agency engaged in procurement for the national defense is delegated the authority of the President under section 107(b)(1) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2077(b)(1), to take appropriate action to ensure that critical components, critical technology items, essential materials, and industrial resources are available from reliable sources when needed to meet defense requirements during peacetime, graduated mobilization, and national emergency. Appropriate action may include restricting contract solicitations to reliable sources, restricting contract solicitations to domestic sources (pursuant to statutory authority), stockpiling critical components, and developing substitutes for critical components or critical technology items.

Sec. 311. Strengthening Domestic Capability. The head of each agency engaged in procurement for the national defense is delegated the authority of the President under section 107(a) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2077(a), to utilize the authority of title III of the Act or any other provision of law to provide appropriate incentives to develop, maintain, modernize, restore, and expand the productive capacities of domestic sources for critical components, critical technology items, materials, and industrial resources essential for the execution of the national security strategy of the United States.

Sec. 312. Modernization of Equipment. The head of each agency engaged in procurement for the national defense, in accordance with section 108(b) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2078(b), may utilize the authority of title III of the Act to guarantee the purchase or lease of advance manufacturing equipment, and any related services with respect to any such equipment for purposes of the Act. In considering title III projects, the head of each agency engaged in procurement for the national defense shall provide a strong preference for proposals submitted by a small business supplier or subcontractor in accordance with section 108(b)(2) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2078(b)(2).

PART IV - VOLUNTARY AGREEMENTS AND ADVISORY COMMITTEES

Sec. 401. Delegations. The authority of the President under sections 708(c) and (d) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2158(c), (d), is delegated to the heads of agencies otherwise delegated authority under this order. The status of the use of such delegations shall be furnished to the Secretary of Homeland Security.

Sec. 402. Advisory Committees. The authority of the President under section 708(d) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2158(d), and delegated in section 401 of this order (relating to establishment of advisory committees) shall be exercised only after consultation with, and in accordance with, guidelines and procedures established by the Administrator of General Services.

Sec. 403. Regulations. The Secretary of Homeland Security, after approval of the Attorney General, and after consultation by the Attorney General with the Chairman of the Federal Trade Commission, shall promulgate rules pursuant to section 708(e) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2158(e), incorporating standards and procedures by which voluntary agreements and plans of action may be developed and carried out. Such rules may be adopted by other agencies to fulfill the rulemaking requirement of section 708(e) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2158(e).

PART V - EMPLOYMENT OF PERSONNEL

Sec. 501. National Defense Executive Reserve. (a) In accordance with section 710(e) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2160(e), there is established in the executive branch a National Defense Executive Reserve (NDER) composed of persons of recognized expertise from various segments of the private sector and from Government (except full time Federal employees) for training for employment in executive positions in the Federal Government in the event of a national defense emergency.

(b) The Secretary of Homeland Security shall issue necessary guidance for the NDER program, including appropriate guidance for establishment, recruitment, training, monitoring, and activation of NDER units and shall be responsible for the overall coordination of the NDER program. The authority of the President under section 710(e) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2160(e), to determine periods of national defense emergency is delegated to the Secretary of Homeland Security.

(c) The head of any agency may implement section 501(a) of this order with respect to NDER operations in such agency.

(d) The head of each agency with an NDER unit may exercise the authority under section 703 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2153, to employ civilian personnel when activating all or a part of its NDER unit. The exercise of this authority shall be subject to the provisions of sections 501(e) and (f) of this order and shall not be redelegated.

(e) The head of an agency may activate an NDER unit, in whole or in part, upon the written determination of the Secretary of Homeland Security that an emergency affecting the national defense exists and that the activation of the unit is necessary to carry out the emergency program functions of the agency.

(f) Prior to activating the NDER unit, the head of the agency shall notify, in writing, the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism of the impending activation.

Sec. 502. Consultants. The head of each agency otherwise delegated functions under this order is delegated the authority of the President under sections 710(b) and (c) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2160(b), (c), to employ persons of outstanding experience and ability without compensation and to employ experts, consultants, or organizations. The authority delegated by this section may not be redelegated.

PART VI - LABOR REQUIREMENTS

Sec. 601. Secretary of Labor. (a) The Secretary of Labor, in coordination with the Secretary of Defense and the heads of other agencies, as deemed appropriate by the Secretary of Labor, shall:

(1) collect and maintain data necessary to make a continuing appraisal of the Nation's workforce needs for purposes of national defense;

(2) upon request by the Director of Selective Service, and in coordination with the Secretary of Defense, assist the Director of Selective Service in development of policies regulating the induction and deferment of persons for duty in the armed services;

(3) upon request from the head of an agency with authority under this order, consult with that agency with respect to: (i) the effect of contemplated actions on labor demand and utilization; (ii) the relation of labor demand to materials and facilities requirements; and (iii) such other matters as will assist in making the exercise of priority and allocations functions consistent with effective utilization and distribution of labor;

(4) upon request from the head of an agency with authority under this order: (i) formulate plans, programs, and policies for meeting the labor requirements of actions to be taken for national defense purposes; and (ii) estimate training needs to help address national defense requirements and promote necessary and appropriate training programs; and

(5) develop and implement an effective labor management relations policy to support the activities and programs under this order, with the cooperation of other agencies as deemed appropriate by the Secretary of Labor, including the National Labor Relations Board, the Federal Labor Relations Authority, the National Mediation Board, and the Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service.

(b) All agencies shall cooperate with the Secretary of Labor, upon request, for the purposes of this section, to the extent permitted by law.

PART VII - DEFENSE PRODUCTION ACT COMMITTEE

Sec. 701. The Defense Production Act Committee. (a) The Defense Production Act Committee (Committee) shall be composed of the following members, in accordance with section 722(b) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2171(b):

(1) The Secretary of State;

(2) The Secretary of the Treasury;

(3) The Secretary of Defense;

(4) The Attorney General;

(5) The Secretary of the Interior;

(6) The Secretary of Agriculture;

(7) The Secretary of Commerce;

(Cool The Secretary of Labor;

(9) The Secretary of Health and Human Services;

(10) The Secretary of Transportation;

(11) The Secretary of Energy;

(12) The Secretary of Homeland Security;

(13) The Director of National Intelligence;

(14) The Director of the Central Intelligence Agency;

(15) The Chair of the Council of Economic Advisers;

(16) The Administrator of the National Aeronautics and Space Administration; and

(17) The Administrator of General Services.

(b) The Director of OMB and the Director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy shall be invited to participate in all Committee meetings and activities in an advisory role. The Chairperson, as designated by the President pursuant to section 722 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2171, may invite the heads of other agencies or offices to participate in Committee meetings and activities in an advisory role, as appropriate.

Sec. 702. Offsets. The Secretary of Commerce shall prepare and submit to the Congress the annual report required by section 723 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2172, in consultation with the Secretaries of State, the Treasury, Defense, and Labor, the United States Trade Representative, the Director of National Intelligence, and the heads of other agencies as appropriate. The heads of agencies shall provide the Secretary of Commerce with such information as may be necessary for the effective performance of this function.

PART VIII - GENERAL PROVISIONS

Sec. 801. Definitions. In addition to the definitions in section 702 of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2152, the following definitions apply throughout this order:

(a) "Civil transportation" includes movement of persons and property by all modes of transportation in interstate, intrastate, or foreign commerce within the United States, its territories and possessions, and the District of Columbia, and related public storage and warehousing, ports, services, equipment and facilities, such as transportation carrier shop and repair facilities. "Civil transportation" also shall include direction, control, and coordination of civil transportation capacity regardless of ownership. "Civil transportation" shall not include transportation owned or controlled by the Department of Defense, use of petroleum and gas pipelines, and coal slurry pipelines used only to supply energy production facilities directly.

(b) "Energy" means all forms of energy including petroleum, gas (both natural and manufactured), electricity, solid fuels (including all forms of coal, coke, coal chemicals, coal liquification, and coal gasification), solar, wind, other types of renewable energy, atomic energy, and the production, conservation, use, control, and distribution (including pipelines) of all of these forms of energy.

(c) "Farm equipment" means equipment, machinery, and repair parts manufactured for use on farms in connection with the production or preparation for market use of food resources.

(d) "Fertilizer" means any product or combination of products that contain one or more of the elements nitrogen, phosphorus, and potassium for use as a plant nutrient.

(e) "Food resources" means all commodities and products, (simple, mixed, or compound), or complements to such commodities or products, that are capable of being ingested by either human beings or animals, irrespective of other uses to which such commodities or products may be put, at all stages of processing from the raw commodity to the products thereof in vendible form for human or animal consumption. "Food resources" also means potable water packaged in commercially marketable containers, all starches, sugars, vegetable and animal or marine fats and oils, seed, cotton, hemp, and flax fiber, but does not mean any such material after it loses its identity as an agricultural commodity or agricultural product.

(f) "Food resource facilities" means plants, machinery, vehicles (including on farm), and other facilities required for the production, processing, distribution, and storage (including cold storage) of food resources, and for the domestic distribution of farm equipment and fertilizer (excluding transportation thereof).

(g) "Functions" include powers, duties, authority, responsibilities, and discretion.

(h) "Head of each agency engaged in procurement for the national defense" means the heads of the Departments of State, Justice, the Interior, and Homeland Security, the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Aeronautics and Space Administration, the General Services Administration, and all other agencies with authority delegated under section 201 of this order.

(i) "Health resources" means drugs, biological products, medical devices, materials, facilities, health supplies, services and equipment required to diagnose, mitigate or prevent the impairment of, improve, treat, cure, or restore the physical or mental health conditions of the population.

(j) "National defense" means programs for military and energy production or construction, military or critical infrastructure assistance to any foreign nation, homeland security, stockpiling, space, and any directly related activity. Such term includes emergency preparedness activities conducted pursuant to title VI of the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act, 42 U.S.C. 5195 et seq., and critical infrastructure protection and restoration.

(k) "Offsets" means compensation practices required as a condition of purchase in either government to government or commercial sales of defense articles and/or defense services as defined by the Arms Export Control Act, 22 U.S.C. 2751 et seq., and the International Traffic in Arms Regulations, 22 C.F.R. 120.1 130.17.

(l) "Special priorities assistance" means action by resource departments to assist with expediting deliveries, placing rated orders, locating suppliers, resolving production or delivery conflicts between various rated orders, addressing problems that arise in the fulfillment of a rated order or other action authorized by a delegated agency, and determining the validity of rated orders.

(m) "Strategic and critical materials" means materials (including energy) that (1) would be needed to supply the military, industrial, and essential civilian needs of the United States during a national emergency, and (2) are not found or produced in the United States in sufficient quantities to meet such need and are vulnerable to the termination or reduction of the availability of the material.

(n) "Water resources" means all usable water, from all...
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I'm glad you posted the National Defense Resources Preparedness Executive Order, Saidin. It seems to wrap up a number of things they've been trying to accomplish with a single stroke of the president's pen. Like really, they keep introducing these "just in case" measures like the NDAA passed. When did we decide that the government was able to decide when it is okay to allow them to hire privately owned troops? When did we let them know that we trust them with privately grown food supplies "in case of emergency" ?
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#28 Posted : 3/22/2012 12:32:57 AM

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This doesn't matter.

It is absolutely laughable to think that the Occupy movement would make any difference politically. To me, the Occupy movement is just a bunch of self-righteous individuals with nothing better to do (for the most part; I do realize that some people have their heads in the right place, but still, it seems misguided). These people would be much better off staying at home and attempting to integrate the way that the world is by loving those closest to them that much more. The only way to make true change is by changing your mind; attempting to overthrow the system is utterly futile without hundreds of thousands of people.

It would take a million like-minded individuals with a unified voice to occupy Washington without backing down; which will never happen.

Regardless, this would happen:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonus_Army

Mother Nature will take care of these evil *****; that is a guarantee.

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It is absolutely laughable to think that the Occupy movement would make any difference politically. To me, the Occupy movement is just a bunch of self-righteous individuals with nothing better to do (for the most part; I do realize that some people have their heads in the right place, but still, it seems misguided). These people would be much better off staying at home and attempting to integrate the way that the world is by loving those closest to them that much more. The only way to make true change is by changing your mind; attempting to overthrow the system is utterly futile without hundreds of thousands of people.


I completely disagree. I think the Occupy movement is the culmination of a growing awareness of just how wrong our current system is. The fact that there aren't enough people taking part is not an indictment against those who ARE taking part, it is an indictment against US... the people who are not standing at their side. If everyone had the same mentality as the occupy protesters then there would be a complete paradigm shift in western society.

Saying they should just stay at home, buckle up and learn to deal with it is the same as saying that the abuse of power, the increasingly dominating corporate monopolies that are controlling our societies, and the methods they are using is acceptable. It is not acceptable and people who do ANYTHING to stand up against it should be praised in my opinion.
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#30 Posted : 3/22/2012 2:20:08 AM
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It is absolutely laughable to think that the Occupy movement would make any difference politically.

Sorry, but the OWS protests were pivotal in changing political dialogue in the US. Al Jazeera summed it up beautifully this week:

Fault Lines - History of an occupation
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PhOG wrote:
Eschaton wrote:


It is absolutely laughable to think that the Occupy movement would make any difference politically. To me, the Occupy movement is just a bunch of self-righteous individuals with nothing better to do (for the most part; I do realize that some people have their heads in the right place, but still, it seems misguided). These people would be much better off staying at home and attempting to integrate the way that the world is by loving those closest to them that much more. The only way to make true change is by changing your mind; attempting to overthrow the system is utterly futile without hundreds of thousands of people.


I completely disagree. I think the Occupy movement is the culmination of a growing awareness of just how wrong our current system is. The fact that there aren't enough people taking part is not an indictment against those who ARE taking part, it is an indictment against US... the people who are not standing at their side. If everyone had the same mentality as the occupy protesters then there would be a complete paradigm shift in western society.

Saying they should just stay at home, buckle up and learn to deal with it is the same as saying that the abuse of power, the increasingly dominating corporate monopolies that are controlling our societies, and the methods they are using is acceptable. It is not acceptable and people who do ANYTHING to stand up against it should be praised in my opinion.


While I can sympathize with you, they are all hypocrites. They all support government and corporations regardless; that is an inevitable consequence of being part of this society. You cannot fight the system and be in the system without being a hypocrite. A lot of these hipsters are just mad about student loans and a lack of jobs. They are upset that their lifestyle is being cramped by corruption. Where is the mass protesting for the poor and hungry of the world? The women and children that get raped and murdered every day by factions that we unconsciously support with our way of life? Do you ever think about that? Our entire modern civilization is a plight on the WORLD. If anything, these people should self-immolate on the White House lawn; THAT would be a message. Until they are willing to die for their cause, it doesn't mean jack.

In juxtaposition with 85 percent of the rest of the worlds inhabitants, we have it by far the best.

If anything, we should be thankful that things aren't any worse.

Those hipsters had tents, food, electronics, music etc.

The poor of the world get screwed to supply us with these "necessities."

Our culture has its head so far up its own a** that we think we deserve this way of life. These hipsters (a generalization, as I already conceded that some mean well) are just pissed off that they aren't getting a better cut.

The blood is on all of our hands; that is why Mother Nature is going to kick ALL of our feet out from underneath us with a natural confluence of events that wipes our modern technological civilization off the planet; for the GOOD of the planet.

You can take that to the bank.

"Enantiodromia is a principle introduced by psychiatrist Carl Jung that the superabundance of any force inevitably produces its opposite. It is equivalent to the principle of equilibrium in the natural world, in that any extreme is opposed by the system in order to restore balance."

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a1pha wrote:
Eschaton wrote:
It is absolutely laughable to think that the Occupy movement would make any difference politically.

Sorry, but the OWS protests were pivotal in changing political dialogue in the US. Al Jazeera summed it up beautifully this week:

Fault Lines - History of an occupation


Yet they are using laptops made from cheap Chinese labor (by corporations, no less), with natural resources that were mined to the detriment of our ecology.

Rolling eyes

Sorry, but politics in America are a joke.

Al Jazeera is a puppet of our own media; please don't attempt to convince yourself otherwise.

The Occupy movement has done nothing but provide yet ANOTHER distraction from the real issues at hand.

Do tell me, if the Occupy movement has accomplished so much to highlight corruption, then why the hell isn't this information in the minds of all Americans?

http://www.cjr.org/the_a..._thickens_cftc_judge.php

The bottom line is that corruption and fraud gets things done; it puts the computer in your hands, the clothes on your back and the food in your stomach.

We have always stolen our way of life from others.

Now we are trying to defend this way of life?

We should let the bankers run hog-wild; eventually they are going to screw up really badly.

My opinion of course.

 
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Eschaton wrote:

Rolling eyes

Eschaton wrote:
While I can sympathize with you, they are all hypocrites.

So says the ego-death person who cares more about inflating his ego with a website counter than protecting the safety of members.

Rolling eyes

In my opinion, of course.
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#34 Posted : 3/22/2012 2:47:59 AM

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While I can sympathize with you, they are all hypocrites.

So says the ego-death person who care more about inflating his ego with a website counter than protecting the safety of members.

Rolling eyes



I'm not going to engage your ad-hominem bait.

The owner of this site defended me; that is enough for me to rest my hat on.

You are simply paranoid to think that anyone's safety is compromised by visiting my site.

And it isn't inflating my ego; I get to find out via my site statistics how long people are spending reading and how many times they go back to read it.

To me, this is important information and has helped facilitate subsequent editing.

In my honest opinion, you're just being sensationalist and you don't like my opinion, so you would rather resort to shit-slinging, which I thought was in violation of this sites very premise.


 
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^^ Right. And your categorical statement that they are all hypocrites was NOT in violation with this sites very premise.

Whoever labels /all/ category x as being y has a pretty big ego...

...In my opinion, of course.
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^^ Right. And your categorical statement that they are all hypocrites was NOT in violation with this sites very premise.

Whoever labels /all/ category x as being y has a pretty big ego...

...In my opinion, of course.



No, actually, it isn't in violation. It is my opinion and I backed up my reasoning behind it. I may have made a generalization, but I clarified it, twice.

You, on the other hand, instead of debating me and picking apart my argument, would rather wage ad-hominem attacks against me, which IS against the rules here.

Your reading comprehension suffers much, methinks.

You must have missed this, twice;

"To me, the Occupy movement is just a bunch of self-righteous individuals with nothing better to do (for the most part; I do realize that some people have their heads in the right place, but still, it seems misguided)."

"These hipsters (a generalization, as I already conceded that some mean well) are just pissed off that they aren't getting a better cut."

So where does this leave us?

Again, with you attacking me instead of debating me with a point of view.

And who's being egoic?
 
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I will own up to swearing, which I did unconsciously.

I do apologize for that.

Won't happen again.

I haven't been here in awhile and this place has changed considerably; my bad.
 
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You, on the other hand, instead of debating me and picking apart my argument, would rather wage ad-hominem attacks against me, which IS against the rules here.


My reading comprehension does suffer and I am not so smart. Maybe we can start from the beginning...

Eschaton wrote:
It is absolutely laughable to think that the Occupy movement would make any difference politically. To me, the Occupy movement is just a bunch of self-righteous individuals with nothing better to do (for the most part; I do realize that some people have their heads in the right place, but still, it seems misguided). These people would be much better off staying at home and attempting to integrate the way that the world is by loving those closest to them that much more. The only way to make true change is by changing your mind; attempting to overthrow the system is utterly futile without hundreds of thousands of people.

It would take a million like-minded individuals with a unified voice to occupy Washington without backing down; which will never happen.

Mother Nature will take care of these evil fucks; that is a guarantee.

The masses are too pacified to sacrifice themselves.


Forgive me, but I did not respond to you argument because I could not follow it very well. Were you concluding that;

Eschaton wrote:
(a) It is absolutely laughable to think that the Occupy movement would make any difference politically.

(b) To me, the Occupy movement is just a bunch of self-righteous individuals with nothing better to do (for the most part; I do realize that some people have their heads in the right place, but still, it seems misguided).

(c) These people would be much better off staying at home and attempting to integrate the way that the world is by loving those closest to them that much more. The only way to make true change is by changing your mind; attempting to overthrow the system is utterly futile without hundreds of thousands of people.


I can't really tell which one of these is your conclusion; nor, does one seem to follow from the other. Maybe, your argument was:

Eschaton wrote:
(d) It would take a million like-minded individuals with a unified voice to occupy Washington without backing down; which will never happen.


Or,

Eschaton wrote:
(e) Mother Nature will take care of these evil fucks; that is a guarantee.


Or,

Eschaton wrote:
(f) The masses are too pacified to sacrifice themselves.


I am not so smart so forgive me in not following your line of thinking. I am more used to conclusions following from some sort of premises and there being some sort of logic or reasoning behind statements. That seems to lack here.

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Your rhetoric does nothing to contribute to this thread and I stated my opinions clearly. They most certainly do follow one basic premise: the futility of occupying parks in cities.

I'm done "arguing" with you, because it isn't an argument; it's a pissing match.

Again, you resorted to attacking me instead of debating my opinion; that is cut and dry.

However, I do forgive your feeble mind.

 
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Thanks. Glad you cleared that up. Very happy
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