I've been wondering if maybe this would be a good idea about now, having a subforum dedicated to all things grass related. I've been doing my own research and hopefully will be able to share eventually, and I know others have started threads about IDing, growth, extracting ect...

To me this seems like and important area of research right now. Perhaps merely having a forum deicating specifically to phalaris will help to push this area of research further.

That sounds like exactly what i need. I have some seeds to start this spring (my first time) and I'd love a spceific forum to post on with others inerested in that field of resarch. A phalaris forum would be most helpfull.

Thinking more about this...I'd rather the phalaris info stay a bit hidden, a bit out of the limelight. The info is all there and it's probably better if people have to work for it.




As for seeds...I've seen p. arundinacea seeds for sale online. Cheap. This is an invasive plant however. I'll use it if I find it growing in the wild. I may even cultivate a small plot of it, should I find that it is already in the area. Such a hypothetical plot would be well maintained, I'd be sure to collect seeds before they scatter on the wind.

Lame... Where is the community vibe? I guess I'll just have to go on uninformed an wreckless, oh well. Thanks anyway Go gather your seeds, I guess.

I like the idea of a Phalaris forum, it's defintely something worth considering. I'm not sure about the private aspect of it though. The Nexus is an open source of quality information.

Peace

Macre

..there is the stickied thread in Advanced Chemistry..that's about the most complete bundle of phalaris info on the net i know of...

Can you post the link?

I think its a possibility we could consider, either a phalaris subforum or a subforum for alternative dmt plant sources.


In the meanwhile, check out these two threads, I think the first is the one he meant:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&t=16810
https://www.dmt-nexus.me...spx?g=posts&t=29986

Be sure to read the samorini publication linked in the analysis thread, it has a lot about growing conditions that affect alkaloid content. If you read the publication and those two threads, its a LOT of phalaris info

I think a phalaris section would be a great idea..maybe even an acacia/mimosa section.

Macre and Ford: I agree, my second thoughts were lame indeed. Basically, I have concern over the invasiveness of these grasses. You gotta realise that I posted that "on second thought..." bit after spending a whole day attempting to remediate damage in my local forest being done by an invasive species of vine....an aggressive plant that is killing much of my beloved forest, including a patch of forst on my land. Perhaps you can understand that I was irrational for a minute.

Of course the free flow of knowlege is a good thing, helping people to make informed descisions, hopefully avoiding the invasive spread of phalaris rather than causing it.

super idea the more minds we have working on grass and other alternative sources, the better., information is more easily categorized, and referenced this way.

interesting bit pf information.."invasive plants" are often mistakingly claimed to take over certain areas completely in a way that they do not in their native environments. From studies I have read this is not the case. They act the same way in their native environemnts.

I have somewhat changed my views on "invasive" plants. Phalaris for example is everywhere where I live..however, if you go off into the old growth rainforest, just 5 minutes off the highway where phalaris is rampant, you will not see any phalaris at all..it cannot thrive there. This is common I think. Many invasive plants are mainly found only in disturbed areas.

I actaully in some ways see invase plants as a really great thing. Take an empty parking lot for example. Where I am that parking lot would have once been old growth rainforest..but now that abandoned parking lot just cannot turn right back into rainforest like that..for that rainforest to even exist the way it does requires the rainforest to be there. These "invasive" plants are often the ONLY plants that will grow there and in some cases they replentish the soil as well..there is also some evidence to suggest that invasive species do lay down the groundwork for the native plants to thrive again at a later time. I have heard this claimed of acacia`s in some areas of australia for instance.

These plants are like mother gaia's first line of defence in areas that have had the natural balance disturbed. I would rather see grass and dandelions filling up an old parking lot than cars dripping oil all over etc.

I am just very skeptical of the sort of war waged against "invasive" plants.

Either way, the phalaris brachys I am growing is not going to become invasive here..arundinacea already is and will outcompete brachys here anyday.

I think this would be the best bet. That way you could include a thread for each species/genus of dmt containing plant. Great ideas guys, I like it!

I do not think there is enough content to justify a new subforum...


There are already 50+ Subforums on the nexus. Wanting to read a specific one is already hard because on has to search through this long long list.

^ Yes, it's pretty big now... a new subforum under "DMT Extraction" could be "Natural DMT sources"... maybe move some of the cultural subforums to the Tavern to simplify things, that usually helps

I think the problem isn't that the invasive plants act differently in terms of spreading but that they are taking over areas that would normally be inhabited by other native plants reducing the biodiversity that was once there.

Phalaris isn't going to spread like fire into the forests and such but it will take over the wetlands replacing multiple species of weaker native plants with one species of grass. Also it can clog up the waterways causing harm to wildlife such as fish and turtles as is happening in Washington state with an endangered species of salmon.

I'm not an expert on it but from what I've read it has its pros and cons.

I think a phalaris subforum would be cool but we shouldn't turn a blind eye to the environmental effects it may cause and it would be nice to have some information regarding responsible planting and maintaining of plots until further research on the effects of introducing invasive plants is done.

I know this might be old info but I thought Phalaris was a component of most bird seed. Just a thought about the "invasive" issue.

^..see here: Phalaris = The Way Of The Future p.8 for mention of 'psychedelic birdseed' (Phalaris canariensis),

as endlessness wrote above: ..might be a good idea, including acacias and mimosas, along with phalaris..

Yep.