I have experienced the same thing a few times. The experience of eternal hell. I also had the sense that my soul had been stolen by some large thing and was being used somehow. I have also had the experience of crying for mercy as I come across some all powerful thing. I would cry, "MERCY!!!! MERCY!!! OH GOD A MILLION TIMES MERCY!!!!!!" only to have it respond, "no there will be no mercy. This is for eternity".

First, if you want the heavenly experience, I suggest lowering your dosage. Also, for communicating on a spiritual level, I have found oral doses to be much better, as they put you in a prolonged dream like state, which is good for visions and communication. Your experience sounds like the smoked variety.

The only way I deal with the experience is accepting that there are potentially things that I would not like to experience. Then, I don't allow that acceptance stop me from enjoying the things that I can enjoy here and now. I can't pretend that things will always be good, or that I wouldn't mind having my body and soul ripped apart. I eventually realized that stressing about things doesn't do you any good, it makes you feel worse. Not only that, but fearing and stressing will create a whole world of extra suffering for you. I know, coming to acceptance of the idea of death is relatively easy, but coming to acceptance of the actual experience of death is a bit harder, and experiencing potential hellish afterlife.

If there really is some terrible afterlife, there's probably nothing you can do about it. It's probably just what happens when the body and mind break down..... unless you're the type of person who believes that by doing certain deeds, you'll be rewarded with a good afterlife, and spared suffering. But, it seems to me that death is a natural process, a process of decay. The mind, body, and spirit are going to react to that breakdown however they are going to react. It seems to me that it's the very fear of hell itself that creates hell. You can be the most loving person in the world, but if you're afraid of death, if you're afraid of suffering, then it is likely that fear that will manifest itself hell. Your own fear will create the hell for you. Let the machine tear you apart. You don't have a choice do you?

I recently had a bit of a hellish experience, but instead of being afraid, I enjoyed it quite a bit. I smoked, and it felt like my soul was being whisked away to another place, where my consciousness was going to be torn apart. As I was fading away, I thought, "ok, go ahead, take me away, I'm ok to die now". Then it was as if I could feel my body dying, and I became concerned. I was like, "hey! Wait a minute, I am ok to die, I don't want to feel my body being ripped apart".

An entity responded, "having your body ripped apart is death. Your going to feel your whole body die".

"Oh no! I can feel my spine disintegrating. Insects are going to go in to my body and eat me from the inside out, and I'm going to feel the whole thing?"

"yes, you'll feel the whole thing."

Then I sort of coyly accepted it. I was like, "okaaaaaay, let the bugs eat my spine. Let my organs fill up with blood and burst. Let my body sink in to the earth"

Something inside me realized that death is my destiny, it is my nature. Not only that, but somehow it was a nature that I had chosen when I manifested in to this world. As I felt my body disintegrating, the entity mocked me. It was like, "you're the one created death and pain and suffering, you psycho. Now you're going to experience the ramifications of that choice as you slowly whither away painfully".... and on the inside, I was like, "okaaaaay, let me burn away. It is my destiny. This is what I wanted. I wanted to be purified by death"

So anyway, I'm saying it's not impossible to come to an acceptance of death. In fact, I think everyone absolutely must, and will at some point. When you feel your body dying, when you realize there's no chance you'll ever come back, when you realize there's no hope, when you call for a savior and one does not come, and you feel yourself being eaten alive, eventually, instead of resisting being eaten, you'll just say..... ok, go ahead. Eat me. Eventually, you'll just let the fires of hell burn you alive. When that happens, it's not really suffering anymore, it turns in to something else. I'm not saying this to try to get you to accept anything. You'll accept something only when you truly feel there is absolutely nothing else you can do. I'm only telling you this so you don't send yourself in to a despair spiral, where you go on fearing what might happen after death. Whatever happens after death, you'll get through it.

It makes me think of an animal I see on the wildlife channel. When an antelope gets attacked by a lion, at first it fights to get away. But then, it stops fighting. Even though the animal is still alive, it just lays there in stillness, as it is being eaten. I believe, eventually, the animal just accepts what is happening, and allows itself to be eaten. Eventually, you will come to a point where you just let that machine eat you.

We all go through death. Eventually, our bodies will start failing, our lives filled with pain, you start realizing the doors of life are closing, and it is probably not fun. But..... that's not right now is it? Why waste the good years of your life worried about what death might be like? Death will do what it's gonna do, whether you want it or not. And no matter who you are, no matter how healthy you live, no matter how safe you think you are, death will come for you, and it could be at time. Not only death, but the death process in which you degrade until you fail.

But, everything passes. If hell were forever, you would be there and not here. Heaven and hell come and go. Life and death come and go. How could this not be so?

jamie wrote:

What a load of crap. Why are they here then? Why are both tryptamines and beta carbolines found literally throughout the environment? I guess you believe that eating food is cheating as well right? You think nature f---ed up or something by making these things so easily available to us literally growing on trees? Before you get all high and mighty on your horse there telling the rest of us what we have or have not "truly earned" think a little deeper about the situation for a second. Animals even ingest psychoactive plants..jaguars eat caapi..there is nothing morally right or overly-admirable about not ingesting neurotransmitters from the environment. Again it is like denying food becasue you feel like the chemical shift induced in the body is something you have not "truly earned".

Why do you think humans evolved such complex brains? There is so much evidence that points to high ammounts of beta carbolines, steroids, neurotransmitters etc found in the ancestrial diet of tropical fruits and leafy green plants being responciple for the development of our current brain..

You might as well be a breatharian while you are at it.

litrium wrote:

"Ask yourself why you are here instead of these liberated multidimensional realms already? Theres a reason you are in this dense realm and not in these places and paying off your debts or Karma/Sins is one of them."

jamie wrote:

If it is not in my karma to exist multidimensionally, then why do I?

I understand your reasoning, however, open mindedness and discussions hardly go hand in hand.
What is there to discuss if you are truly open minded? all you can say is i agree or i disagree.

Then what is a "Warning" ?

When one warns he/she is basically just doing 2 things, feeling fear and trying to spread it amongst others.
When one tries to convince others to accumulate that fear by offering a static model of truth, he or she becomes a danger to be warned for. Thus continuing the cycle.

How can you be so sure it´s all real? Some people believe the easterbunny is real, or santaclause.
Some people even believe in creationism. And they all believe with the same passionate conviction as you, or more even, like when they commit acts of terror in the name of what they believe.

There is a theme woven through the shamanisms of the Upper Amazon — that human beings in general, and shamans in particular, have powerful urges to harm other humans. The difference between a healer and a sorcerer is that the former is able to bring these urges under control, while the latter either cannot or does not want to.

Thus, what distinguishes a healer from a sorcerer is self-control. This self-control must be exercised specifically in two areas — first, in keeping to la dieta, the restricted diet; and, second, in resisting the urge to use the magical darts acquired at initiation for frivolous or selfish purposes. Shamans who master their desires may use their powers to heal; those who give in to desire, by their lack of self-control, become sorcerers, followers of the easy path.

As simple as the restricted diet seems, it is hard to keep. Food without salt or sugar is bland and boring; I have tried to live on just fish and plantains, and, believe me, the craving for salt or sugar can become intense. Commenting on a similar diet among Achuar apprentice shamans, limited to plantains, boiled palm hearts, and small fish, anthropologist Philippe Descola calls it “dauntingly dull.” In order to be a shaman, one Napo Runa elder says, “one has to suffer much with all this fasting.” Thus, la dieta is a form of self-imposed discipline, which makes the apprentice or shaman worthy of the love of the plants.

Secoya shaman Fernando Payaguaje, speaking of the restricted diet kept when drinking yagé, says: “Some people drink yagé only to the point of reaching the power to practice witchcraft; with these crafts they can kill people. A much greater effort and consumption of yagé is required to reach the highest level, where one gains access to the visions and power of healing. To become a sorcerer is easy and fast.” As anthropologist Françoise Barbira Freedman puts it, shamans who master their emotions and aggressive desires use their powers to heal; apprentices who break the rules of their ascetic training become weak, and therefore become sorcerers.

Similarly, a significant part of the initiation process is for the new shaman to demonstrate the self-control which separates healers from sorcerers. Self-control is manifested in resisting the immediate urge to use newly acquired powers to cause harm. Among the Shuar, there is a general sentiment among the people that becoming a shaman — acquiring tsentsak, magic darts — creates an irresistible desire to do harm, that “the tsentsak make you do bad things.” Shuar shamans themselves dispute this. While the tsentsak indeed tempt one to harm, the desire can be resisted; those who “study with the aim to cure” become healers.

Shuar shaman Alejandro Tsakímp describes one of these temptations as the urge to try out the new darts on an animal — “a dog or a bird, anything that has blood.” Once one does that, once one “starts doing harm, killing animals, one cannot cure,” but becomes a maliciador, a sorcerer. Similarly, the Desana believe that sorcery is very dangerous, apt to rebound on its practitioner, and to be used only in narrowly defined circumstances — for revenge on a sorcerer who has killed a family member, for example. Thus it is the novice, the inexperienced, the untrained person who causes sickness — who lacks the self-control imposed by the shamanic initiation, who experiments with evil spells, who uses them carelessly and irresponsibly, just to see if they work.

This self-control is often expressed in terms of regurgitation and reingestion of shamanic power. Anong the Shuar, after a month of apprenticeship, a tsentsak comes out of the apprentice’s mouth. The apprentice must resist the temptation to use this dart to harm his enemies; in order to become a healing shaman, the apprentice must swallow what he himself has regurgitated. Among the Canelos Quichua, the master coughs up spirit helpers in the form of darts, which the apprentice swallows; here, too, the darts come out of the apprentice’s body and tempt him to use them against his enemies; again, the apprentice must avoid the temptation and reswallow the darts, for only in this way can he become a healer.

This self-control is sometimes also put in terms of turning down gifts from the spirits. The spirits of the plants may offer the apprentice great powers and gifts that can cause harm. If the apprentice is weak and accepts them, he will become a sorcerer. Such gifts might include phlegm which is red, or bones, or thorns, or razor blades. Only later will the spirits present the apprentice with other and greater gifts — the gifts of healing and of love magic.

Self-control is thus central. It is difficult to control lust and abstain from sorcery; even experienced shamans must work hard to maintain control over their powers, which are often conceptualized as having their own volitions.The pathogenic objects that are kept within the shaman’s body, often embedded in some phlegm- or saliva-like substance, are also in some sense autonomous, alive, spirits, sometimes with their own needs and desires, including a need for nourishment, often supplied by tobacco. If not fed properly, they can turn on their possessor, or seek their food elsewhere.

The magic darts kept within the chest of a Shuar shaman, for example, are living spirits, who can control the actions of a shaman who does not have sufficient self-control. The magic darts want to kill, and it requires hard work to keep them under control and use them for healing rather than attack. Similarly, the Parakanã of Eastern Amazonia believe that shamans possess pathogenic agents that cause sickness, called karowara. When animated by a shaman, karowara are tiny pointed objects; inside the victim’s body, they take the concrete form of monkey teeth, some species of beetle, stingray stings, and sharp-pointed bones. Karowara have no independent volition; but they have a compulsion to eat human flesh.

In this way, the pathogenic objects hidden within the shaman’s body enact the Amazonian belief in innate human aggressiveness. To be a healer is to keep this powerful force in check by great effort

I’m bringing up the topic of healing, but it’s not to teach you to heal. No true cultivator of Falun Dafa may heal people. As soon as you do healing, my Law Bodies will take back all the Falun Dafa things that your body carries. Why do we take this so seriously? Because it’s something that damages Dafa. Not only does it harm your own health, but some people just itch to do it again once they’ve healed something, and they’ll grab whoever they see to treat them and show off. Isn’t that an attachment? It will have a serious impact on your cultivation.

A lot of fake qigong masters have capitalized on the desire to heal people that ordinary people get after they learn qigong. They go and teach you those things and claim that sending out qi can heal. Isn’t that a joke? Yours is qi, and his is qi—and when you send out qi it’s going to heal him? Maybe his qi will actually overpower yours! One qi can’t suppress another. When a person develops gong in high-level cultivation, what he emits is high-energy matter, which can definitely heal and suppress illness, and it can have a restraining effect. But it can’t remove it from its root. So to truly heal something, a person needs to have abilities if he’s going to completely heal it. There’s a specific ability for healing each health problem. I can tell you that there are over 1,000 kinds of abilities just for healing health problems—however many kinds of ailments there are, that’s how many abilities there are for healing them. If you don’t have those abilities, it doesn’t matter what fancy tricks you do, it still won’t do the job.

Some people have made a mess of the cultivation world in recent years. Of the qigong masters who came to the public to truly heal people and keep them fit, or of those qigong masters who came to the public to pave the way at the beginning, who taught people to do healing? All of them either healed you themselves or taught you how to cultivate or tone up your own body, they’d teach you a set of exercises, and then you could heal yourself by exercising on your own. Later on, fake qigong masters came to the public and made a foul mess of things. Anyone who wants to heal people is just asking to get possessed, no question about it. In that environment back then there were some qigong masters who did healing, but that just happened to match the celestial phenomena back then. But it isn’t an ordinary person’s skill, and that couldn’t last forever. It resulted from changes in the celestial phenomena at the time, it was the product of that time period. Later on, when people got into solely teaching others to do healing they were totally out of line. Could an ordinary person heal somebody after learning it for just three to five days? Some of those people claim, "I can heal this illness, that illness..." I’m telling you, all of those people are possessed. Do they know what’s latched on their backs? They’re possessed, but they don’t sense it, and they don’t know it. They think it’s pretty good and that they’ve got special abilities.

Real qigong masters have to go through years of grueling cultivation to achieve that. Then think about it, when you give somebody a treatment do you have that kind of powerful ability to eliminate that karma? Have you ever received any true instruction? Can you really heal somebody after just a couple days of learning? Can you heal with your ordinary person’s hands? All the same, those fake qigong masters have taken advantage of your weaknesses. They’ve taken advantage of people’s attachments. "Aren’t you trying to heal people?—Okay!" So they hold treatment classes specifically to teach you healing techniques, like that qi-needle stuff, that light therapy stuff, that discharging and supplementing stuff, that acupressure stuff, that so-called grabbing method—they’ve got lots of fancy names for that stuff. They’re just trying to get their hands on your money.

Let’s talk about the grabbing method. Here’s what we’ve seen. Why do people have health problems? The root cause of their problem and all their misfortune is karma, that black-matter karmic field. It’s yin in nature, and it’s something bad. Those bad beings are also yin in nature, they’re all black, and that’s why they can come onto the body—the environment suits them. That’s the root cause of people’s health problems, it’s the chief source of them. Of course, there are two other forms. One of them is really, really small, high-density tiny beings. They’re something like a cluster of karma. The other is as if it’s transported through a conduit, but it’s pretty rare, and all of it is accumulated through the generations. That also happens.

Let’s just talk about what’s most common. When a person has a tumor somewhere, an infection somewhere, a bone spur somewhere, or whatever, in another dimension there’s a being crouching at that place. In a deep dimension there’s a being there. A typical qigong master can’t see that, because the usual supernatural abilities can’t see it, and they can only see that the person has black qi in his body. Wherever there’s black qi there’s illness—they’re right about that. But, black qi is not the root cause of the problem. Instead, it’s a being in a deeper dimension, and it’s that being that produces the field. That’s why when people talk about expelling and purging black qi, you can go ahead and purge away!—it’ll regenerate in no time. Some beings are strong, and soon after it’s expelled they’ll drag it back. They can retrieve it themselves. Blindly treating away won’t do it.

People with supernatural abilities see black qi there, and they consider it pathogenic qi. What doctors of Chinese medicine see is the energy channels blocked there, that qi and blood are blocked, that the energy channels are congested. What doctors of Western medicine see is the symptoms of an ulcer, tumor, bone spur, inflammation, or whatnot—these are the forms it takes here in this dimension. After you remove that thing you’ll find that there’s nothing in the body over here. You’ll see that the slipped disc or bone spur is immediately healed after you remove that thing and wipe out that field. You can take another X-ray and there won’t even be a trace of the bone spur. The root cause was that thing which was at work.

Some people claim that you can heal people after three to five days, and they teach you the grabbing method. Show me your grab! Human beings are the weakest while that being is fierce, it controls your mind, plays you like a puppet on strings, and can even take your life easily. You say that you can grab it. How could you grab it? You can’t get a hold of it with your ordinary person’s hands. When you flail your hand around over there, it ignores you and it even laughs at you smugly. It thinks your grabbing aimlessly is pretty funny. But if you really did reach it, it would hurt your hand instantly, and that would be a real wound! I’ve seen people before whose hands had nothing physically wrong with them, and by any examination there wasn’t anything wrong with their bodies or wrong with their hands. But they just couldn’t lift their hands, and they dangled there, limp. I’ve come across people like that. Those bodies of theirs in other dimensions were injured, and that’s true paralysis. When that body of yours is injured of course you’re paralyzed. Some people have asked me, "Teacher, am I able to practice? I had a sterilization operation," or they say they had something removed. I tell them, "None of that matters. Your body in that other dimension hasn’t had an operation, and when you practice it’s that body that functions." That’s why I just said that when you try to grab it, you can’t touch it and it’ll ignore you. If you did touch it, it might damage your hand.

To support the country’s large-scale qigong events, I took some disciples with me to participate in the Asian Health Expos in Beijing. We stood out above the rest at both Expos. At the first Expo, our Falun Dafa was pronounced the "Star Qigong." At the second Expo, there was such a huge crowd at our booth we were swamped. There weren’t many people at other booths, but our booth area was packed. There were three waiting lines: there were so many people in the first line that by the end of the early morning all the slots for the first half of the day were gone; the people in the second line were waiting to register for afternoon treatments; and the people in the other line were waiting for my autograph. We don’t do healing, so why did we do that? It was to support the country’s large-scale qigong events, to contribute to that cause. That’s why we participated.

I divided my gong among the disciples who I brought along. Each of them got a share, and they were energy clusters composed of over 100 abilities. I sealed their hands, but still, some of them suffered bites to the hand that broke the skin, caused blisters, or made them bleed, and that even happened a lot. Those things are so fierce. You think you’d dare to touch them with your ordinary person’s hands? Besides, you couldn’t reach them—it won’t work without those abilities. That’s because in another dimension they know what you want to do, and they know it as soon as you think about it. When you try to grab them they’ll have already run off. The moment that patient steps out the door, it will get back on him instantly and his health problem will return. To subdue it you need an ability where you extend your hand and "Bam!" pin it there. After it’s pinned, we have another ability that used to be called the Great Soul-Catching Method, and that ability is even more powerful. It can pull out a person’s whole master soul, and instantly that person won’t be able to move. That ability targets specific things, and when we grabbed we specifically aimed at those things. You know how that Tathagata Buddha aimed the bowl in his hand at Monkey King, right, and you know how big he is, and still it shrunk him instantly. That’s what the ability can do. It doesn’t matter how large or how small the being is, in one fell swoop it’s caught in the hand, and right away it turns tiny.

Also, you can’t stick your hand into a patient’s flesh to grab it and bring it out. That would throw people’s thinking in the ordinary world into disarray, and there’s no way that’s allowed. You can’t do it even if you have the ability. The hand a person reaches in with is his hand in another dimension. Let’s say somebody has heart disease. When you move your hand toward the heart to grab, your hand in another dimension goes in and immediately snatches it. Then your outside hand grabs, and the two hands close together and then it’s in your hand. It’s so fierce, sometimes it moves in your hands and tries to drill into them, sometimes it bites, and sometimes it even screeches. It looks small while you cup it in your hands, but if you release it it’ll become pretty big. It’s not something that just anyone can have an effect on. Without those abilities you can’t do a thing to it—it’s not nearly as simple as we think.

Of course, that form of qigong treatment might be allowed to exist in the future. It was always around in the past. But a condition has to be met: the person must be a cultivator, and then he can do that out of compassion for a few good people while he is cultivating. But he can’t completely eliminate their karma, he doesn’t have enough benevolent might, so their tribulation is still there and it’s only the specific ailment that’s healed. An ordinary, lesser qigong master isn’t somebody who has attained the Dao in cultivation. He’s only able to postpone it for them, or maybe he transforms it—maybe he transforms it into other adversity. But he might not even know about the deferral process himself. If what his practice cultivates is the subordinate consciousness, then it’s done by his subordinate consciousness. The practitioners in certain practices might be pretty famous, but a lot of big-time qigong masters don’t have gong—their gong grows on the bodies of their subordinate souls. So in other words, that’s allowed during cultivation, because some people stay at that one level, and they practice for over a decade, or even several decades, without getting past that level, so their whole lives they’re giving treatments. Since they are at that level they’re allowed to do that. But disciples who cultivate in Falun Dafa absolutely cannot do healings. You can try reading this book to a sick person, and if he can accept its contents, it can heal him, but how effective it is depends on how much karma he has.

How can you tell it is not real? For one thing many people who have plunged deep enough into these dimensions will tell you that is more real then the Screen you are looking at at this moment, that it was more 'real' then this reality.

The truly dangerous part comes into play in that where you end up is utterly random. Shamans use various techniques and tools like rattles and icaros to traverse these dimensions and to protect themselves, even so, they are not totally protected or safe when they journey through these realms. Also, so called 'healing' shaminism is actually still dealing with manevolent entities that have been 'reigned in' so to speak under the Shaman's will

As what comes to afterlife, I see it like this: EVERYTHING is possible in the universe(s)/life, except the elimination of the spirit/consciousness which is in every one of us. Therefore for me, not being conscious after leaving this body seems absurd. What exactly is "total lack of consciousness"? That is, people who say that consciousness is just a bunch of electricity/biological processes in our brain/body, and so when there's no more current(after death), there would be no more consciousness. I think it is ridiculous to claim there will be no more consciousness, as to some would suggest "eternal blackout/eternal total lack of consciousness". Give me a brake(those people), where do you think we came from?

I have experienced the same thing a few times. The experience of eternal hell. I also had the sense that my soul had been stolen by some large thing and was being used somehow. I have also had the experience of crying for mercy as I come across some all powerful thing. I would cry, "MERCY!!!! MERCY!!! OH GOD A MILLION TIMES MERCY!!!!!!" only to have it respond, "no there will be no mercy. This is for eternity".

First, if you want the heavenly experience, I suggest lowering your dosage. Also, for communicating on a spiritual level, I have found oral doses to be much better, as they put you in a prolonged dream like state, which is good for visions and communication. Your experience sounds like the smoked variety.

The only way I deal with the experience is accepting that there are potentially things that I would not like to experience. Then, I don't allow that acceptance stop me from enjoying the things that I can enjoy here and now. I can't pretend that things will always be good, or that I wouldn't mind having my body and soul ripped apart. I eventually realized that stressing about things doesn't do you any good, it makes you feel worse. Not only that, but fearing and stressing will create a whole world of extra suffering for you. I know, coming to acceptance of the idea of death is relatively easy, but coming to acceptance of the actual experience of death is a bit harder, and experiencing potential hellish afterlife.

If there really is some terrible afterlife, there's probably nothing you can do about it. It's probably just what happens when the body and mind break down..... unless you're the type of person who believes that by doing certain deeds, you'll be rewarded with a good afterlife, and spared suffering. But, it seems to me that death is a natural process, a process of decay. The mind, body, and spirit are going to react to that breakdown however they are going to react. It seems to me that it's the very fear of hell itself that creates hell. You can be the most loving person in the world, but if you're afraid of death, if you're afraid of suffering, then it is likely that fear that will manifest itself hell. Your own fear will create the hell for you. Let the machine tear you apart. You don't have a choice do you?

I recently had a bit of a hellish experience, but instead of being afraid, I enjoyed it quite a bit. I smoked, and it felt like my soul was being whisked away to another place, where my consciousness was going to be torn apart. As I was fading away, I thought, "ok, go ahead, take me away, I'm ok to die now". Then it was as if I could feel my body dying, and I became concerned. I was like, "hey! Wait a minute, I am ok to die, I don't want to feel my body being ripped apart".

An entity responded, "having your body ripped apart is death. Your going to feel your whole body die".

"Oh no! I can feel my spine disintegrating. Insects are going to go in to my body and eat me from the inside out, and I'm going to feel the whole thing?"

"yes, you'll feel the whole thing."

Then I sort of coyly accepted it. I was like, "okaaaaaay, let the bugs eat my spine. Let my organs fill up with blood and burst. Let my body sink in to the earth"

Something inside me realized that death is my destiny, it is my nature. Not only that, but somehow it was a nature that I had chosen when I manifested in to this world. As I felt my body disintegrating, the entity mocked me. It was like, "you're the one created death and pain and suffering, you psycho. Now you're going to experience the ramifications of that choice as you slowly whither away painfully".... and on the inside, I was like, "okaaaaay, let me burn away. It is my destiny. This is what I wanted. I wanted to be purified by death"

So anyway, I'm saying it's not impossible to come to an acceptance of death. In fact, I think everyone absolutely must, and will at some point. When you feel your body dying, when you realize there's no chance you'll ever come back, when you realize there's no hope, when you call for a savior and one does not come, and you feel yourself being eaten alive, eventually, instead of resisting being eaten, you'll just say..... ok, go ahead. Eat me. Eventually, you'll just let the fires of hell burn you alive. When that happens, it's not really suffering anymore, it turns in to something else. I'm not saying this to try to get you to accept anything. You'll accept something only when you truly feel there is absolutely nothing else you can do. I'm only telling you this so you don't send yourself in to a despair spiral, where you go on fearing what might happen after death. Whatever happens after death, you'll get through it.

It makes me think of an animal I see on the wildlife channel. When an antelope gets attacked by a lion, at first it fights to get away. But then, it stops fighting. Even though the animal is still alive, it just lays there in stillness, as it is being eaten. I believe, eventually, the animal just accepts what is happening, and allows itself to be eaten. Eventually, you will come to a point where you just let that machine eat you.

We all go through death. Eventually, our bodies will start failing, our lives filled with pain, you start realizing the doors of life are closing, and it is probably not fun. But..... that's not right now is it? Why waste the good years of your life worried about what death might be like? Death will do what it's gonna do, whether you want it or not. And no matter who you are, no matter how healthy you live, no matter how safe you think you are, death will come for you, and it could be at time. Not only death, but the death process in which you degrade until you fail.

But, everything passes. If hell were forever, you would be there and not here. Heaven and hell come and go. Life and death come and go. How could this not be so?

yuremamine is active orally. reality tunnels and culture lock up your mind.

Haitians fear being turned into a zombie very much. Through a mix of pharmalogical mechanisms and social constructs such as traditions and religion it is a very real fate for them. For me it just means I had a pharmalogical reaction to Tetrodotoxin and possibly some other physiologically active compound. I'm not a south american indigenous tribesman, and their culture is not mine. Reality is subjective.

I have experienced the same thing a few times. The experience of eternal hell. I also had the sense that my soul had been stolen by some large thing and was being used somehow. I have also had the experience of crying for mercy as I come across some all powerful thing. I would cry, "MERCY!!!! MERCY!!! OH GOD A MILLION TIMES MERCY!!!!!!" only to have it respond, "no there will be no mercy. This is for eternity".

I recently had a bit of a hellish experience, but instead of being afraid, I enjoyed it quite a bit. I smoked, and it felt like my soul was being whisked away to another place, where my consciousness was going to be torn apart. As I was fading away, I thought, "ok, go ahead, take me away, I'm ok to die now". Then it was as if I could feel my body dying, and I became concerned. I was like, "hey! Wait a minute, I am ok to die, I don't want to feel my body being ripped apart".

An entity responded, "having your body ripped apart is death. Your going to feel your whole body die".

"Oh no! I can feel my spine disintegrating. Insects are going to go in to my body and eat me from the inside out, and I'm going to feel the whole thing?"

"yes, you'll feel the whole thing."

Then I sort of coyly accepted it. I was like, "okaaaaaay, let the bugs eat my spine. Let my organs fill up with blood and burst. Let my body sink in to the earth"

Something inside me realized that death is my destiny, it is my nature. Not only that, but somehow it was a nature that I had chosen when I manifested in to this world. As I felt my body disintegrating, the entity mocked me. It was like, "you're the one created death and pain and suffering, you psycho. Now you're going to experience the ramifications of that choice as you slowly whither away painfully".... and on the inside, I was like, "okaaaaay, let me burn away. It is my destiny. This is what I wanted. I wanted to be purified by death"

Given that this is the case and in the absence of any unique evidence to the contrary is it not highly plausible that the DMT experience (real and vivid as it may seem) is indeed a product of the brain just as are schizophrenic hallucinations?

Given that this is the case and in the absence of any unique evidence to the contrary is it not highly plausible that the DMT experience (real and vivid as it may seem) is indeed a product of the brain just as are schizophrenic hallucinations?

I have experienced the same thing a few times. The experience of eternal hell. I also had the sense that my soul had been stolen by some large thing and was being used somehow. I have also had the experience of crying for mercy as I come across some all powerful thing. I would cry, "MERCY!!!! MERCY!!! OH GOD A MILLION TIMES MERCY!!!!!!" only to have it respond, "no there will be no mercy. This is for eternity".

First, if you want the heavenly experience, I suggest lowering your dosage. Also, for communicating on a spiritual level, I have found oral doses to be much better, as they put you in a prolonged dream like state, which is good for visions and communication. Your experience sounds like the smoked variety.

The only way I deal with the experience is accepting that there are potentially things that I would not like to experience. Then, I don't allow that acceptance stop me from enjoying the things that I can enjoy here and now. I can't pretend that things will always be good, or that I wouldn't mind having my body and soul ripped apart. I eventually realized that stressing about things doesn't do you any good, it makes you feel worse. Not only that, but fearing and stressing will create a whole world of extra suffering for you. I know, coming to acceptance of the idea of death is relatively easy, but coming to acceptance of the actual experience of death is a bit harder, and experiencing potential hellish afterlife.

If there really is some terrible afterlife, there's probably nothing you can do about it. It's probably just what happens when the body and mind break down..... unless you're the type of person who believes that by doing certain deeds, you'll be rewarded with a good afterlife, and spared suffering. But, it seems to me that death is a natural process, a process of decay. The mind, body, and spirit are going to react to that breakdown however they are going to react. It seems to me that it's the very fear of hell itself that creates hell. You can be the most loving person in the world, but if you're afraid of death, if you're afraid of suffering, then it is likely that fear that will manifest itself hell. Your own fear will create the hell for you. Let the machine tear you apart. You don't have a choice do you?

I recently had a bit of a hellish experience, but instead of being afraid, I enjoyed it quite a bit. I smoked, and it felt like my soul was being whisked away to another place, where my consciousness was going to be torn apart. As I was fading away, I thought, "ok, go ahead, take me away, I'm ok to die now". Then it was as if I could feel my body dying, and I became concerned. I was like, "hey! Wait a minute, I am ok to die, I don't want to feel my body being ripped apart".

An entity responded, "having your body ripped apart is death. Your going to feel your whole body die".

"Oh no! I can feel my spine disintegrating. Insects are going to go in to my body and eat me from the inside out, and I'm going to feel the whole thing?"

"yes, you'll feel the whole thing."

Then I sort of coyly accepted it. I was like, "okaaaaaay, let the bugs eat my spine. Let my organs fill up with blood and burst. Let my body sink in to the earth"

Something inside me realized that death is my destiny, it is my nature. Not only that, but somehow it was a nature that I had chosen when I manifested in to this world. As I felt my body disintegrating, the entity mocked me. It was like, "you're the one created death and pain and suffering, you psycho. Now you're going to experience the ramifications of that choice as you slowly whither away painfully".... and on the inside, I was like, "okaaaaay, let me burn away. It is my destiny. This is what I wanted. I wanted to be purified by death"

So anyway, I'm saying it's not impossible to come to an acceptance of death. In fact, I think everyone absolutely must, and will at some point. When you feel your body dying, when you realize there's no chance you'll ever come back, when you realize there's no hope, when you call for a savior and one does not come, and you feel yourself being eaten alive, eventually, instead of resisting being eaten, you'll just say..... ok, go ahead. Eat me. Eventually, you'll just let the fires of hell burn you alive. When that happens, it's not really suffering anymore, it turns in to something else. I'm not saying this to try to get you to accept anything. You'll accept something only when you truly feel there is absolutely nothing else you can do. I'm only telling you this so you don't send yourself in to a despair spiral, where you go on fearing what might happen after death. Whatever happens after death, you'll get through it.

It makes me think of an animal I see on the wildlife channel. When an antelope gets attacked by a lion, at first it fights to get away. But then, it stops fighting. Even though the animal is still alive, it just lays there in stillness, as it is being eaten. I believe, eventually, the animal just accepts what is happening, and allows itself to be eaten. Eventually, you will come to a point where you just let that machine eat you.

We all go through death. Eventually, our bodies will start failing, our lives filled with pain, you start realizing the doors of life are closing, and it is probably not fun. But..... that's not right now is it? Why waste the good years of your life worried about what death might be like? Death will do what it's gonna do, whether you want it or not. And no matter who you are, no matter how healthy you live, no matter how safe you think you are, death will come for you, and it could be at time. Not only death, but the death process in which you degrade until you fail.

But, everything passes. If hell were forever, you would be there and not here. Heaven and hell come and go. Life and death come and go. How could this not be so?

I've never seen a thread with so many massive quotes... this is Quote Hell indeed.

wonderful, i was expecting angels and to talk to my recently deceased grandmother instead i was thrown into literal hell. I IMMEDIATELY got the feeling that i've been here before. I felt extremely naked and stripped of everything. I felt horribly terrible as if i was lit on fire and needed to puke but even puking was a release that i wasnt granted. I screamed and screamed.. I cannot even describe the feeling it was as if my soul was in hell, there was NO REPRIEVE, no MERCY, nothing but escalating pain and i was screaming at the top of my lungs in the real world from this pain. What horrified me was that i remember being in this place before.. It was only after hiding under my couch and hearing a noise in the room that the dmt hold was broken over me. I'm now completley horrified that this is where i might go when i die. I dont know how to integrate this. I had actually seen images of heaven in the past or got the impression that I was there. Now i got the impression that my soul and others like mine were lit on fire like fuel and buring for some larger machine. When i was in it, i felt as if stripped naked I mean completely naked down to the bare sole and in this tiny box of non stop non ending pain.

I dont know what to do or how to proceed with my life after this. I'm horrified and i know better than to treat this like just a bad "trip". Any advice? Is this what really awaits some of us???