I have seen a disturbing trend where many in the US are looking to move away from society ie into the desert or mountains or leave the country altogether. There's a whole reddit section with everyone saying the same thing. US is about to fail and it's time to get out while the getting is good.

http://www.reddit.com/r/IWantOut/

I have been out there on the lines with OWS and I see that those who are fighting the system are beginning to loose hope, so few are standing up while the rest watch from the couch. Many agree with the effort but they aren't willing to join. As I see new laws in this country obviously set up to hide the national turmoil and garner more control I see that this very well may be the end of America as we know it. When that breaking point comes millions will attempt to bail out to other nations even though in my mind the US collapse will wreak havoc across the world.

The fatalist attitude has taken a strong hold. People feel like they cant do anything to stop it so why bother. Many are receding from this world into the digital realm of video games or to drugs. Even the OWS movement is loosing hope fewer seem to have the heart they once did.

"History is turning into a white knuckle ride for sure!" - Terence McKenna

I believe that people sense that things are changing--and they ARE CHANGING.

But thoughts regarding hordes of refugees--that sort of thing--are probably unrealistic: for the simple reason of INERTIA/MOMENTUM. The US culture--crappy as it may be--has just an ENORMOUS amount of inertia. It's just not something that can make an abrupt turn.

That said, I in fact think that people UNDERestimate the potential for disruption of things like crop failure, colossal natural disasters (like large meteor strike, etc.), and even political turmoil arising from unprecedented political events (such as, for example, finding out that Bush DID do 911, like the conspiracists believe).

OTOH, I DEFINITELY think that people are HUGELY underestimating the potential for POSITIVE change. It we achieved practical and workable (and abundant) fusion--quite plausible over say a twenty year span; and if we achieved TRUE artificial intelligence--minds in boxes essentially as smart or smarter than smart humans, with the data collection and manipulation abilities of computers...and maybe a little more social/political wisdom...then the world might possibly become the GARDEN OF EDEN virtually overnight. Ya never know...

I just seen on CNN that the number of anti government militia groups in 2008 was 140 today it's 1274. With these, Anonymous, OWS and other organizations the US Govt is being besieged by all sides. But before giving up their power they will let the nation fall.

What else can OWS do other than loose hope? Get jailed as terrorists and/or felons?


Asking for change, demanding change, protesting for change...just causes the tyranny to show it's hand, it's iron fist. It does no good.


Growing your own food, building your own homes, making your own soap, your own clothes your own ethanol for fuel, or just not using fuel, ect...that's where the real protest is.

OWS was nice for a minute--it was good to see that the american people were still capable of doing something than watching tv and working useless jobs.

Of course the permaculture thing is just as threatening to TPTB as Occupy was...and the gov. has threatened to make gardening illegal. Monsanto don't like that stuff. I don't see it ever being enforced, but won't be suprised by any insane laws that may get passed.

Ever feel like you were living in The Invisibles? Ever feel like this is actually 2012? Pass the popcorn....(hopefully my corn does not get pollinated by the gmo farm down the road) I'm just saying, stark terror, hopeful optimism and just plain being totally entertained, these feelings cycle through me in waves every day. For the most part, I like to stay conscious and aware, but keep calm and keep doing good where I can.

It is 2012 (whatever that may mean) and whatever I do this year and wherever I go, I will not be caught doing bullshit.

My view on America is becoming more and more schizophrenic by the day, one day I will feel there is hope and lots of positive change going on and the next it seems all is lost and we are falling deeper into a pit of corruption and failure.
I don't know what to believe anymore, I know something is going to change wether it be good or bad no one knows. All we can do is brace for the worst, strive for the best and watch it all unfold...kind of like a DMT breakthrough ain't it?

Vovin you are right though, with all the crap America is getting into in other countries along with anti government groups here inside the walls, something is bound to snap.
Just hope there is enough love and sanity left in the world to come back from that snap in a positive way.

Here's my "prophecy", In the end of summer, early fall things will get hot. Gas prices will be up, weather will make protesting easy all over the US and then the big one will hit. Congress has a 10% approval rate, This means that a huge number of democrats and republicans alike will be fighting for their political careers. Not just them but all those companies that spent millions to get them there to do their bidding.

Political attack ads will run what is really happening, you know that stuff that isn't making it to the news. As their opponents expose them the population is going to see a lot of things they don't see if they are not savvy to the news of the internet. This will cause a disbelief in those who simply don't see this stuff.

OWS and Anonymous is going to surge. Political attack ads are going to show peaceful protesters getting beaten and maced, something the news wont show. The ignorant masses will be quickly informed. Well not well informed they will warp it to make it look even worse that's what attack ads do. Can you imagine the fodder these new candidates will have against EVERY member of congress? Can you imagine these corporations loosing control as their politicians are forcefully retired? When the rest see what is happening then there's going to be some serious outrage.

When this makes it to television things will change. The news has kept that from happening. It wont stop those ads, too much money in it. That's where they get paid and there are few if any rules as far telling the truth and stretching the truth. They have a lot to stretch and it'll go far. I cant see one of the current congressmen being able to stand up to the ammo that their competition is going to have.

If Iran escalates this is going to make things even worse. The economy has yet to recover, sure there's more jobs, minimum wage jobs that wont pay for the gas to get there and back. Not of any real use to 90% of the population. And apparently the news is saying Greece has defaulted on something and Portugal and Spain may follow collapsing the Euro.

Hyperspace Party at my new house in Australia!

This article adds some perspective.

Why the American Empire Was Destined to Collapse

"happiness is achieved only by those who manage to escape the American value-system. Well, the easiest way to escape from that value-system, is to escape from America"

IMHO the path that mankind took long long ago was the wrong one. The very concept of wealth and money is a foolish thought. This magical entity that does not actually exist except in the minds of man. Each dollar represents a piece of human life. You sell your life at your job for this imaginary thing so that you may live in a world where it rules over life.

Men and women have made great sacrifice for something that is useless unless we say it holds value. But now that the game has been changed and this imaginary thing is the cause of all suffrage I think mankind is at a point to where they are beginning to question this madness that seems to plague our entire species.

The question arises are there enough who have sense to keep the world together. I feel that the minds and the hearts of mankind is weak. The strong spread too thin amongst the population, too few in number to stay the flow.

"There is an intriguing mental device that our genes use whenever they
want to squeeze our perceptions into a shape that better suits their
purpose. This curious neuronal phenomenon is commonly known in
theatrical circles as the ‘suspension of disbelief’. The term refers to
the brain’s ability to switch out reality and replace it with a fictional
scenario that rhymes with our genetic imperatives."

"In essence then, here is the device that bestows peculiar mystical
significance on ‘the home team’, ‘the political party’, ‘the Church’, and
‘the Flag’, thereby bonding us into families, tribes, nations, religions
and ethnic groups; into teenage and criminal gangs, and into political
parties and their childish factions."

"As our social stress levels grow, so will the level of emotion throughout
society. And in consequence, our ability to censor reality will
grow stronger, nurturing more nightmares in the form of religious,
ethnic and political extremism. In this fashion our genes will keep us
largely oblivious to the threat of extinction that faces our species as
it slides headlong into resource depletion, climate change and population
collapse."

Reg Morrison

The Population Debate

Good points above, and many of my friends as well as myself are among these US-fleers - but, alas, I don't think there's anywhere to escape. Every country on the planet is racked with corruption, police brutality, cover-ups, and the like...if you know of a country that's not, let me know. Sure, the US has its hand in dirty affairs around the world, but so do other countries, not the least of which is Red China, which certainly rivals or surpasses the US in these 'evils'. I don't see OWSers drinking gasoline and setting themselves on fire to protest government repression, as is happening with Tibetan monks - though the US genocide against the native Americans certainly rivals what China's doing to Tibet. One last thing to consider is, if the s**t does hit the fan in America the Beautiful, it'll probably be hitting the fan wherever you go to, and as an expatriate American, you'll likely be seen as a ripe and obvious target for theft/attack. Another thing that comes to mind: the US is still the #1 destination for immigration.

Just some things to consider if you're thinking about fleeing the States. It's a big and beautiful world, and I'm afraid America is past her prime...

or mine

Lyserge: you're right... Our civilization is so globalized at this point that there is truly nowhere to run to if you want to escape the coming storm. I'm just going to park myself in the woods here and hope for the best.

Vovin: I like the sound of your prophecy, but not sure if I can believe it. It's predicated on the notion that American outrage will be sufficient to derail the momentum of the entrenched moneyed interests. But I have serious doubts about America's ability to feel outrage. Maybe if the wrong person wins at American Idol...?

But seriously, I don't think that most modern Westerners are in any shape to survive serious social upheaval.

hype, sensationalism, struggle. Illusion — this is the side that has reached nadir, the bottom it's pinnacle, and these are the things that will fall away, effortlessly. Just as soon as we've learnt to let them go. to instead change the world in our heart and with our hands, one thought-filled moment to the next.

I feel that OWS has already succeeded and served it's purpose beautifully, it has reinforced the world and it's plans for tomorrow with positive, constructive imagery.

If it makes you feel better, many people (including myself) feel the same way about Britain. It appears to be over-run with Conservatives, corporate interests (those two terms are deeply intertwined of course) and racist knuckleheads.

I'm off, soon. Fleeing this ex-colonial ship, with it's delusions of grandeur and imperial self-importance.

Thank you Vovin for all the words of wisdom




i think its great!

If Iran (which will likely bring in China and Russia) escalates, we may all be screwed.

There is a limit to how long any country can hold the title of 'leader of the world.' All dominating powers have, and will, fall.

Possibly an uncomfortable fact, but a fact nonetheless. Look what happened to 'The British Empire'...at one time its dominating presence was unrefuted.

Perhaps 'the West' has had its day of 'glory'...too much blood on Babylon's hands.

In no way suprised people flee sinking ships - sinking ships, built with blood and tears.

^^^a history lecturer once referred to Afghanistan as the "deathbed of empires"...Alexander the Great, Russians, Romans, Brits...

An analogy.........
A Bus is speeding down a hill at 100 miles per hour towards a huge brickwall.
10 feet away from hitting it, a guy right up the back jumps up and shouts "watch out" "there's a wall""wez gonna hit it"


sorry..... but it is too late to avoid it. Crash position everybody !!!!