I dont think satan is a bad thing accept to religious people, thats the whole point of Baphomet being a scary creature - scary to religious people - its a pagan gnostic idea. If you read Konx Om Pax "light in extension" it tells a story of a fairy princess being guided through the tree of life and before they move to the next level the fairy prince says she can kiss him if she's ready to move on to the next level. (hint) when they get to the sphere of the sun he points to a guy and says to her "look thats the savior of all" and another fairy prince points to the same guy and tells a different princess "that is the destroyer of all". I say let people believe whatever they need too.

OMG, this is the kind of occult bullshyte the Nexus could do without. . But would nevertheless make a suggestion that it be shifted to a less prominent forum than "Open discussions" Perhaps a special section titled "Fringe lunatic"?

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we can all accept eachothers beliefs in the world - and at the same time I agree with you, there is no need for targeting. let it be though bro, its all good - what are you afraid of, baphomeh? that is the peak of it all, if rightously persued

edit: should I be afraid? I thought I was safe here. In some muslim places I would be killed for showing this type of thing, and indeed the oath of the masons would have me agree to lose my life if I shared such ideas as "the word" of the level - such as BAPHOMETR, so obviously I'm not a member if I'm sharing this. The point is the experience led me to ba able to talk with someone who understood these experiences from an occult perspective, someone who also realizes that it is just a way for people to further objectify themselves, well thats not what I'm doing, just providing a perspective "art" if you will, let it be as an inkblot to you, like an astrology sign, whats the point of those anyway? If calling people names works for you than you just like to objectify other people and yourself in the process, where's the fun in that? That is what the nexus does not need, objectification, people thinking they know what exactly is going on in this world - lies. Cheers to you

Don't these kinds of posts belong to the "Through the Looking-Glass" subforum?

And in any case you didn't see satan, you were just projecting your thoughts and feelings. You saw the stereotypical abrahamic version of satan while hanging out with your "satanist" (don't get me started on that one) friend. It is nothing,just try to have better set and setting next time


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omg just saw this,couldn't stop laughing





It's one thing to respect someone inclined to spirituality because the facts of the world are hard to bare for a lot of people and many want to believe there is "something more", but we also have to remember we are in the 21st century



i think he is afraid of the same thing i am: ignorant people. It is scary that in the time of technological wonder people still choose to elude themselves with fairy tales, and base their thoughts and lives on them.

Hey I'd love to be able to post in the looking glass forum, but I do not have access as a "new member" Although I was a part of dmt world if that was the same thing, I helped folks with my "extraction diagnosis" if that buys me any credit. Maybe my alterior gnosis is not approved of here? than I'd like to hear it from someone higher up on the totem pole to who can formally tell me to zip it about the cult stuff - not that it cant be a beautiful thing - the cult stuff. I don't mind either way - I'm not trying to offend anyone, or be just as bad as those who are.

sorry that was a bit of close-mindedness on my part

I know you can't post in that subforum, but the mods usually move these kinds of threads there where they can be discussed in another tone.

Honestly I get sad when I see posts like this, we need to all be respectful of each other and be open-minded. Isn't that what we are all here doing, exploring consciousness? Well you might not like all the cult stuff but its part of reality no need to make fun of it.

I don't mean to offend you in any way but I just don't like seeing negative stuff like this.

Satan can take many forms, although I can always feel his evil. Do not be afraid, fear and weakness is something you never want(can be hard to conjure sometimes) especially in the face of an evil entity. I usually look right at him and say, what the fuck do you want. Satan is a big bully, show him that you will stand up for yourself and hes gone......Or you can be seduced and party with him, but that will just lead you away from the light.

With some more of my intense voyages I imagine myself becoming such a creature that your pic imaged. Kind of weird I was just thinking about how I could relay this to folk. It sounds like people have seen similar things I become this thing and float casually threw the void of hyperspace as some have termed it.......

oh I especially love how many people are so set in their ways. Like what you believe cant be wrong. I applaud you for the gusto and not giving up on your guns. But you could be wrong. No one can proclaim that they can for surely know that the hierarchical atypical form of satan is not real. We all live by our own experiences. I see too many people write of Christianity and other religions because they have a grudge against God for their suffering.

Really I see so much anger from these people whenever you mention anything about religion on here.

Anyways just sort of ramblin, wish I was more poetic, prose worthy.

No it's not. I don't know how to say it without sounding like a douche,but no it's not. I don't get why anything religious passes the realism/objectivity test and must be straight up "respected" even if it's utterly silly. If you go to a mental ward you will hear all kinds of colourful stories,but you'll tell the storyteller "that's not real", not encourage them to make up more of them.

Like I said, I have only read a little bit about this stuff. Going to google to try and find this led me to a grimoire "attributed" to Honorius III, a pope, although its true authorship isn't known for certain. Another was the "Lesser Key of Solomon" which contains a heirarchy of demons, but its authorship is truly unknown. My memory mixed these things with a wikipedia article about grimoires which mentioned that there is "ample evidence" that medieval clergy were very much engaged in the creation of grimoires.

In short, my memory automatically stitched these things together into the statement you quoted, and I cannot provide a "catalog" that is certainly attributable to a specific church leader. I apologize for the misleading nature of my comment, it was not intentional. In my attempt to help the original poster I didn't verify the full implications of my statement.

It was Baphomet's fault, he misled me into a mildly humbling blunder

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The prime example would of course be John Dee and Edward Kelly, for example John Dee's Sigillum Dei Aemeth which can be found on this page:http://www.alchemywebsite.com/g_work.html I had a dream where that thing flashed into my mind for a vivid second. It is a glyph of all of the names of the angels if I remember correctly. They were able to write down the enochian language which was received directly from the angels. The Kabala means "to receive" and this is the first know written source of the long oral tradition: http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/yetzirah.htm

The only other person to actually write down the entities that he met, that I know of, is a man named Crowley in this book: http://hermetic.com/crowley/libers/Liber418.pdf This is a non initiate copy, the hard copy has supplementary info. Scroll down to the 13th aethyr and you will notice it is the aethyr of Nemo - who sees the face of the father and lives to tell about it. Only those of us who have that experience and are therefore called Nemo are supposedly able to perceive past the aethyrs beyond veil of the abyss. Even Crowley was not one of these people, and even Dee and Kelly were not given permission by the angels to unlock the astral gateways.

Some examples of people who used these anchient methods (crystal gazing) can be found here: http://www.hermetics.org/pdf/crystal.pdf
from Chapter 4

The enquirer, having read thus far, will have realized that behind and beyond all
that he may hitherto have considered as the Art of Crystal Gazing, there is a Greater and
Wider field of application, making necessary more careful preparations, but leading to
correspondingly important results. At this point it will be necessary for him, or her, to
decide whether or not they are prepared to carry the practice beyond the preliminary
stages already described, and in case they desire to do so, they must be ready to fulfill
the necessary requirements.
We should first consider the best of the ancient instructions available, and later,
we may be able to find points in which they seem inadequate, and others that can
certainly be improved upon.
The Methods of Trithemius of Spanheim - The Friend and Teacher of Cornelius
Agrippa - who lived in the Sixteenth Century, as transmitted to us by Francis Barrett,
who translated his work from the Latin in the early part of the Nineteenth Century, have
been considered the clearest and best of their kind. We find parts of these instructions
quoted in practically all the books on the subject that have been published since,
sometimes with acknowledgments and sometimes without.

I couldn't really remember until now, but I'm pretty sure this is the message that he gave me. I also would like to state that I know baphomet/satan/lucifer is not a 'bad' thing, but only that my experience of it/him made me fearful. I experienced fear in some way and it could've just been the alcohol. I am guilty of trying to share this with my friend in such a way that I wanted her to experience that 'higher self' that I experienced.. but it seemed that every time she tried to smoke with me she couldn't get there. She'd always 'chicken out' so to speak. But now I'm thinking she doesn't really need to experience it in the way that I did. Plus, she she used to/has asthma, so that holds her back. After I was still in the DMT world with baphomet, she smoked a little.. I was still 'with it' enough to give her some for her to smoke, all the while still in this place and feeling lonely. And after she smoked it and was coughing a bit I felt like we were connected and able to fluidly communicate and there was this sense of being 'ourselves' like we're meant to be, and all of the words she said regarding satanism and 'persuing your satan' made a lot of sense to me. She imparted a lot of wisdom to me, and I think perhaps this is a path I want to follow more deeply. The only thing I didn't like about what she said was that in some ways it comes off as a somewhat 'selfish' way of living. But now I see that if I can't live for myself, I can't help anyone else.. which is what I really want to do. So if satanism and luciferianism (not to be confused as one concept as I realize they are not) are a path to bring me to this, then so be it.. I will go down that path.

The past few months I've had some very strange experiences, and had a sort of 'awakening' that occurred just days prior to the new year after smoking cannabis for many days and then stopping, and then smoking it again one morning with someone. I experienced some sort of death and rebirth (I could go into details, but suffice it to say that I wound up 201ing myself and spending the week of new years in a mental hospital.. thought that I was in hell, or somehow passed into some higher (and lower) dimension/perception of reality.. etc). Took me a while to get back to *this* reality, but I did. And then I went right back at it, and almost lost my mind again, but I managed to keep it in check. The main thing I've learned from *that* experience is that 'telepathy' is very real and is integral to our day to day experience, as is the idea that we create our reality moment to moment. The difficulty has been integrating that its not just "I" that participates in this. There is very much a lot going on here and I naively thought I had figured it all out. The past month or two, plus this last experience on monday with baphomet have shown me that I've only breached the surface. If anything I've gathered from this is that its our job, or at least my own personal job, to bring the greater understanding of our reality into 'phase' so to speak with our every day 9-5 materialistic/warring/murdering/starving/criminal reality. Chaos is useful, yes, but the kind of chaos we're engaging in with ourselves is at times detrimental to perhaps.. some greater purpose that we all share. Sorry if this is a bit of a rambling post, but something kind of took over me here.

willy wonka quote: did you hear what happened to the boy who got everything he wanted?
My answer: He didnt want it anymore

Hope you live happily ever after, that is if you did get the insight that you wanted.

At one punctual moment insight came as a message that said something about people going around trying to save everyone, and that just is not necessary. While we journey home to the self we will meet others on their way too. Remember the spark

I would certainly pull someone falling from a cliff rather than push them off of it.

whatevers clever

Cleverness aside.. what you said is right, and if that baphomet taught me anything it is this.

So thank you for that insight, or at least giving me the words to remember. Eventually, I hope to get over my fear of it.

I do feel quite like Willy now.. and the insight I got is not what I wanted, but even this I'm not sure of.

Anyway, I looked into your name for some reason.. and it brought me to this:



So it comes as somewhat of a contradiction that you imply that we should not at the very least help one another when your name comes from such. Perhaps that isn't what you were implying.

And curiousity also brought me to read this:



I'm still piecing all of this together.. so forgive me if I appear trying to be 'clever.'

As for why this hasn't been bumped to TTLG

I am guessing because it was a trip report. It would be odd to move someone's trip report to a place they could no longer respond or participate.

That said, I am sure there are plenty of members here who are grinding their teeth over this thread.



topsykretts - I humbly offer to you that you might want to forgo any activities that loosen your grip on your primary reality for the time being. You, my friend, need to be developing your roots. Many people succumb to the escapist tendencies of journeying and want to fly high without developing their grounding and foundation. It is my opinion that without such rooting, you are tempting fate (as well as any random entities) and will likely end up back in the mental hospital.

I have known too many good people with a lot to offer the world who end up chemically lobotomized, shuffling around the halls of some grey institution on thorazine, getting punked for cigarettes by even less stable and more aggressive inmates. Despite what the whitecoats in such places might tell you, seeing things and hearing voices does not make you crazy... being ungrounded and out of control to the point where people drag you off to those kind of institutions, though, is kind of the definition of it. If you can handle (cope, process & assimilate) what you are doing with entheogens, you will be able to avoid being labeled crazy... if only for the fact that you will know what you can say to whom, and when.

topsy, I suggest that you take up a hard physical activity like kung fu to bring you down to earth. Swim, go hiking, do yoga, play basketball... whatever works for you. I would avoid taking any drugs or medicines for a good while, and do not get obsessed with anything you saw while tripping. The idea that Baphomet (if such a being even exists) would be interested in you personally is a stretch. And even if it were true, based on his CV, it might only be because you are weak and unstable enough that he might be able to use you. At any rate, most entities you meet in hyperspace are perfectly capable of reading your mind and assuming forms that might touch a nerve for you.

ENKI NEMO

I am assuming that you have not been privy to the long running and very intense struggle that has been taking place at the Nexus with regards to "fringe" topics in general and occultist type stuff specifically. The Nexus is a place that prides itself on its technical information and its logic-based help for people to explore these realms responsibly and safely. As such, it is heavily slanted to provable, verifiable and peer-reviewed type information.

I, of anyone here, am aware that such limitations tend to constrain talking about the experiences that we have while under the influence of entheogenic compounds, extracts and brews. However, that is just the way things are here. Thus, if you proceed to come at this from your OTO, Golden Dawn perspective... you will receive a healthy dose of "shut up and go away with your psycho bullshit" type responses. Oh well. There are plenty of other websites (as you have linked to) where such talk will be encouraged rather than stymied.

Personally, I find the whole satanist, luciferian, OTO, GD, ATA occultist spectrum to be rather unhelpful. It attracts the wrong type of elements, tends to appeal to people who are already unstable, and then pushes them farther into dark entity territory... which tends to end badly in a large percentage of cases. You can argue that Lucifer is supposed to be the light bringer, but the way these things are practiced... the beings encountered (if they manage to have any truly mystical experiences) tend not to be light beings.

Hint: Light beings don't want anything from you. They don't need anything from you. They aren't there to test you or call for sacrifices or offerings. They are past clumsy rituals and have unconditional love & compassion for you and for all sentient beings. The help they offer you will be without strings and will not push you into activities that might land you in jail or a loony bin.

Listen: it takes a few years of being focused on this path to have a conversation about magick - you know I'm not telling you to make that choice, its not a valuable way to spend your time at least in a monetary sense, and there are many snares on the path. I am here though as your servant for anything I can help you understand, that is my own oath that I received through osmosis from a friend who did the same for me, i'm just paying it forward.


you said>>So it comes as somewhat of a contradiction that you imply that we should not at the very least help one another when your name comes from such. Perhaps that isn't what you were implying.

Perhaps all is contradiction as it is beyond the abyss, for example you cant have wisdom without understanding as they say, the good with the bad, and if one thing is true you can follow the logic to the point that the opposite is also true.




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Does it really matter? sure its intruging, the heart of the master is a good read, but don't let it keep you from the work because your busy cramming your brain with the stuff. if you're gonna do that just go straight to the Vudoun Gnostic Workbook and skim for things that intrigue you. I can send you those books anywhere I can put an attachment, just ask. you dont need to get clever about it, its a waste of time, find out whats important to you, what excites you, when was your happiest moment, most blissful - how can you get there again? The work is simple, but if you have any technical questions about any of the writings, just ask. The work:
1 dont let anyone tell you life is about anything, cause its not
2 there is no god but man
3 empathy is key - always forgive yourself if you feel bad about anything because everything is between you and god or the universe or whatever - unconditional love is "just for the sake of being nice" and beware of expectations attached, or being conditional - you can give and give, and only hope to get that same love back - but dont worry, if your cup is filled (and it is) fill someone else's, and yours will again be filled
4 the 8 limbs of yoga (crowleys book), just ask if you want to start doing pranayama or anything I can help with specifics- this is just to continue in the discipline you have already demonstrated that you have, if thats what you feel you need. the vision (samadhi-8th limb) is the fruit, the message from this baphomeh dude, so remember your dreams! all your visions will lead into the next in some way. essentially life is a samadhi of spirit and earth and we're already there man. but who are you? sat chit ananda, get a few perspectives on these three words and there meaning before asking what it means to me, and
so trance out, yo
5 Magick: 2 people coined the term and one of them was J. G. Frazier who wrote the Golden Bough in 1880. there are only 2 things you can do at the root, solve et coagula. there are 2 definitions of magick in Crowleys eyes: All magick is to be done for the sole purpose of the attainment of the HGA, and 2nd: magick is effecting change in accordance with the will - this is also "Karma" where every choice brings you closer or further from your true self
6 know thy self, we are not our thoughts, the material things we identify with, our bodies, what or who then are you? this is for you to know and you to find out. saying "I love you" is the ultimate objectification since it is your ego who identifies itself falsely (hence sat chit ananda) by saying "I identify my self by being the one who loves this person" So love all and continue your samadhi with the world. just remember to wrap it up - theres already over 7 billion kids, j/k do as thou will
7 rap it up, why waste your time reading about someone elses creativity when you can kick start your own?
8 this too shall pass
9 be firm in your foundation, change is stability
10 continue to manifest what you need, be ready for what the world has for you - its always perfect even if it may not seem to be so - be a good listener and people will appreciate you especially because most people just dont care
11 forget all that, manifest what others need, your as ready as you'll ever be, make it better than it is now, speak from the heart
12 but whos counting?
13 is counting

You're right, I'm not so much in the loop here because I can only speak in the welcome area as it has been this way for over a year or more it seems. I consider what your saying and am coming with a perspective that is generally more academic like anthropology to describe magic for example, like The Golden Bough, which describes this very struggle over the course of history. Its hard to measure the ether, but here we are, what do we have to show for it logically or illogically? Psychologically we can measure our connection to our selves and monitor eachothers karma as you are helpfully doing as well - its a good thing to ground people. Please do not objectify me by saying you have pinned my perspective.

There certainly is a stigma there that I'm also aware of, and indifference is ticket to not loosing it. Traditional Kabbala was only practiced by people over 40 to prevent craziness, but some of us get this baphomeh type HGA thing goin on and key into that loop there. Go figure It can be okay, there's a difference between me on coffee, and some fanatic. to each their own, i don't wanna ruin what ever it is you think you got going, or even downplay that it is what it is. I'm just happy to communicate with like minded people here at the nexus like everyone else. What is your slant on the light beings anyway? thats what I was also talking about from the perspective of my own truths, and I certainly respect and understand and agree with your truths as well. I just see it in my own way. I hope for the best as well