Full article here.

Makes me sad and angry seeing this type of thing. There seems to be a definite trend more and more in the direction of fascism in America. Doesn't directly affect me just now but as a citizen of the UK, America's favourite sidekick, I am always concerned about what happens across the pond. I guess the fact that Ron Paul voted against it is another little thing that has earned him some respect from me, but the fact that the bill passed 388-3 doesn't inspire much confidence in the system.

Democrats and Republicans are two heads of the same beast if you ask me.

As an ex-pat (more ex than pat though), I find this kind of thing highly troublesome. That said, we've had our own crazy law's regarding this kind of thing:

http://www.urban75.org/legal/cja.html

Amerika is a damned police state and getting worse and worse, and nobody seems to care or even take notice!!!!!!!!!!!!
Private for profit prisons. Blackwater hired military, kill us citizens on foreign soil....no end to the current roleback of any freedom we thought we might have had, but very sadly, the us public loves this "get tough" stuff, so there is no hope and it will only get worse before it gets better imo.

The real criminals are the 'representatives' who pass these laws which are unconstitutional, but this is not new behavior by the criminals in charge of the USA. They (senators, congress, and the people behind the scenes who own the senators and congressmen) have been trampling human rights and the constitution from the very beginning. The system is corrupted to its very core and to expect fairness or justice from it is futile at this point in my opinion.

It's fun to watch this stuff unfold. Mostly because it HAS to be fun so it isn't so sad. But really, I do not think the American people will stand much longer, especially if this is enforced en masse, while the revolutionary climate seems to be so ripe. While many may think the American people are "sheeple" and will take it all lying down, I have a bit more hope, mostly because I have to though.

The big question is, do Americans have the capacity for outrage? Or have we truly been brainwashed? Terence talked about the "infantilization of the public" and in the decades since those words were spoken, it seems truer than ever. I love my fellow countrymen, but how sad to see them tugged around by such base, false, empty motivations. Oh, gotta go- I think I see a Kardashian on the tv.

I'm afraid as long as the pacification of the masses persists, nothing will be done.

Oh I hear you. We have our share of these types of oppressive laws as well... but I do like to think, from my experience of our state of affairs, that we are slightly less oppressed and slightly more aware in this country. Our media, although heavily biased in many respects and at the mercy of super injunctions and the like, still has a level of diversity, and willingness to criticize the powers, that the American mainstream media just doesn't have. I don't watch much of our mainstream media, sometimes channel 4 does some quite candid documentaries and things, but generally (if I watch any TV news at all) I watch Russia Today or occasionally the english Aj Jazeera. It's always a good idea to hear what the "opposition" has to say, since they have nothing invested in hiding things from us... although it could be said that they have something invested in overstating the wrong doings of our governments, I find that this doesn't seem to be the case.

I recently watched a good documentary about the American media and the basic message that it put across was that, unless something can be done to re-introduce diversity and objectivity into America's media, the masses will just never know about what's going on and will continue to become more and more pacified and depoliticized. The internet appears to be the only medium left for finding out what's going on, and big business is trying it's hardest to get control of that.

chit...why do all my close friends have to live here?

Its sad that the government is so afraid of its people that they have to chain us up with unlawful bills and changing our rights right under our nose because most the public doesnt see the information. How can 90% of the population see these crimes?

yep. its the only reason I stay in this place. Plus, there is some hope. Whoever said it was right, we are ripe for revolution.

I think that for right now the American people will do nothing to prevent these actions or laws. However, the masses are ripe for a revolution and its really one bad action or moment to send our country into a spiral of revolution. I am totally for all the above. If you enjoy reading that post and you want to get involved you can always check out www.wearechange.org

What about the people. Ignorance is no excuse is the saying. As long as americans themselves celebrate happily the election circus and vote and choose such terrible candidates...maybe this is what they yield.

The destruction or collapse of the American government is not the Governments fault. It is the people's fault for allowing all this tyranny to happen.

The people know. They just aren't willing to do anything about it. I just got a job at a automobile manufacturer. Despite the pay and benefits they loose employees by the day. People claim they want a job but when it comes time to actually work well that's another story then. It's not even hard work everything is automated and they pay quite well.

Americans have become the old proverbial fat, lazy, and stupid. They are weak and unwilling to fight for anything. They will allow whoever to do whatever as long as they do not have to put forward any effort. I am dumbfounded by the speed at which this attitude is hitting this country. It seems to be something that has happened in less than a year like the whole population just gave up.

I see it everywhere, in college you had classrooms full of students who wouldn't study but still complained how hard the class was. I see the human race as in a state of stagnation rotting in it's own self sorrow. There will come a time very soon when they will regret their lack of strength. To retake what was lost will cost many lives and much bloodshed. More people are seriously trying to leave this country, not just fantasizing about it but really planning saving and researching. I only fear this is a global epidemic.

I think this war here in the US is already lost. People are wanting to elect some champion and this cannot be fixed in that manner. We do not elect on the merits of intelligence or morality but who can pull in the most campaign money which itself just proves who is the most corrupt. The elected do not have our best interests in mind but their sponsors. It is a broken system so faulty it will have to completely fail before anything will be done.

The good news is we still have the internet. The internet is our voice. Our protest can grow to world wide proportions on the internet. I propose we begin to boycott the current way of life and start a whole new type of living somwhere with the knowledge that we have. People say ideas like this have tried and failed before but I say we should try againg. If People begin to live a more indegenous way of life, the coroporations will collapse, because they need the money of the people to survive, if the people arent spending money on these corps, they will collapse, along with the government that sleeps in bed with them.

Yea this is true. But how long do you think the internet will be free? Soon it will expand to total control of all aspects of any form of communication.

Exactly.


...stop buying stuff. The coorporations do not give us anything that we need. Food clothing and shelter--you can make your own. Better.

Internet censorship is well in the works, even the nexus may soon be a thing of the past. Fact is you do not hear of these event son the news, the papers don't write about them the web is the only place where this information can be found. It is only a matter of time before they remedy this. Keeping people isolated and cutting off the lines of communication is a very effective way of keeping people from organizing.

I understand where you are coming from with that, however, I think if the government attempts anything to rash at this time it will only enrage the occupy movement to grow larger and faster. I just read that 60,000 were gathered yesterday in one of the occupy protest. It's growing and fast. Their sign for their big may 1st protest says "no school, no work, no shopping, no banking, no chores, a day without the 99%" or at least something close to that.

I was reading about how cops have been arresting people for being at the movements. A person using sidewalk chalk was arrested so tommorow they are having a protest where everyone will chalk up the pavement in vibrant colors. LOL

In the words of maximus "The time for half measures and talk is over". These people, we people, need to direct the momentum towards an entirely new world. This being said I believe we need to infiltrate our government with love. See them not as our enemy but as us. We need to become the government.

2012 its going down baby!