Look first to understand, then to be understood

I agree with you Brother. It is sad and it has gone into a negative direction. But what will be will be. And it has gone in the direction that it has because of only a few individuals. I would like to believe that they are not representative of what has taken over the Nexus. We will yet see. It may yet take a turn in the positive direction.

And I apologize because I know well that if you reply to them it will just set off a chain reaction.

"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.
Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit."

Seems pretty strange to me that your calling us fools for merely questioning your *admittedly* extremely unusual/high drug methods/dosages..regardless of whether or not its true that you took over a gram of oral dmt and then smoked 100mg 3 times in a row all in one hit.. that sort of thing is obviously going to be met with some skepticism, questioning, and disbelief. Not really sure why thats such a surprise

[quote=EZ4U2ShootAlso, I don't suggest that my sensitivity is not normal. [/quote]

Yet based on literally everyone elses(thousands of people if not more) experience it would suggest that your sensitivity to DMT is not normal at all by a long shot.

First off I don't mean this comment as an attack on anyone, these are just my opinions based on my own experience and research, as well as having read pretty much every post and link on this thread, which was quite exhausting!

I do find this very hard to swallow. Sure there is always 'one step further' and sure there are boundary pushers, how ever i just find some of these claims to be.... Outlandish. Maybe I am just a n00b or so soft headed that 'normal' doses blow me the f%$£ away, but my experience with the molecule suggests to me that something here is amiss. I have read through most of the lengthy anecdotes and I find myself starting to switch off after a while because, well, that's what my mind does when it thinks that the truth is being stretched some what. Don't get me wrong, I have had sessions where I got through 500mg of Changa (250mg Spice) and I can see how large-ish amounts can be consumed in a sitting, how ever these things might happen 1-2x a year, not once a week. Neither my brain / ego or my bank balance would tolerate such a beating.

I also find it slightly distasteful that this sort of use of the molecule is being promoted, these sorts of threads will give new comers the wrong idea, and could potentially alter some ones life for the worst. What is being discussed here is dangerous and certainly smacks of a "Mine's bigger than yours" (and therefore better) approach, which just does not fit with these sorts of explorations. My experience certainly says otherwise - larger doses have not yielded better results, there is a 'sweet spot' with this stuff and over saturating your neurons isn't the best way of getting there, again IMO/E.

Hearing things like the pipe getting clogged up because it is so overloaded, and even melted goo seeping into the users mouth suggests to me that it is not being smoked efficiently at all, and that there must be something for this person to prove to the wider world. The question is why? Most of us will never know. Maybe in a few years when I have smoalked even moar I will be ready to join the ranks of this "exclusive club" as i have seen it referred to here.

This is just my opinion of course and take it with as many pinches (handfulls) of salt as I have taken some of the posts in this thread if you like I have been debating with myself whether to add my wood to this slightly ridiculous fire by contributing my opinion to this thread, and was eventually convinced by the Traveller in chat to respectfully air my views, so that is exactly what I am doing.

I agree. If you look at practically 90% of the disaster stories here on the nexus, they usually come not from too many times in a week, nor this nor that, but from large doses. These large doses tend to be in the 30-60mg range much less 1000mg.

Don't you people who are daring to question ingesting a gram or more see that you just haven't gone far enough? Isn't it obvious that we who dare to question are mere pups compared to these valiant, noble psychedelic warriors? Clearly our egos and fears are blocking out the rays of enlightenment these nobles would shine upon us if we would merely STOP QUESTIONING!! How dare us!

Can we at least agree that it is one thing to VAPORIZE COMPLETELY these large doses, and another thing entirely to MELT a gram and say you vaporized it all? I've internet-diagnosed Ez4u2shoot as an obsessive compulsive, judging by his unconscious, and complete waste of, the molecule by, in a virtual sleep state, refilling and smoking a gram of DMT. And is Mr. Ez really trying to claim that, in his unconscious, obsessive-compulsive blind smoking state, that he PROPERLY vaporizes everything in the pipe? He even stated that he put a camera on himself and watched as he refilled the pipe with nothing, having "vaporized" the gram he'd obsessively leave in the Pyrex by his side, and smoke nothing, just because his OCD told him to.

This thread got out of hand in a very bad way, please read this with great attention if you want to make another post in this thread!





This is the ONE thing that EZ4U2Shoot states that troubles me and where I think something is odd and maybe even wrong. However, I do not yet know what is the cause for this statement and maybe even wrong piece of information so I withhold my judgement until I have that extra piece of information.

The best way to get more information is just politely asking the poster, like this:

EZ4U2Shoot, this amount seems very high for oral use to me, can it be that this number is off? And if this is the correct number can you please tell me how you take this amount? Do you take all pills at once or do you take them in separate batches several times during a longer time frame? I have a hard time grasping this and I think that if more information is given that I might get a better understanding.

Some theorizing of me about the smoking part:

As for the smoking a lot of DMT in one sitting: EZ4U2Shoot states that at a certain point you reach true tolerance. I think we can assume that during this sitting a person will develop more and more tolerance, meaning that the person has to smoke more and more DMT to keep at a certain plateau. So while at the start a low dose of DMT will suffice, near the end it can very well be that three deep tokes of 35mg each will only give you the normal 'starting visuals' resulting in a large amount of DMT used during the setting of which maybe 100mg was used the first hour while the last hour might have about 300-400mg.


BAD EXAMPLES OF REPLYING TO PEOPLE


I don't think that this will really help to get a better understanding here. It will also force the original poster into a defensive mode, people in a defensive mode are less likely to accept any argument you make, valid or not.



That is quite a judgment call. Who knows what a person can get out of something? Would you like it if people would tell you that you are wasting your aya because staring at the stars at night together with meditation can bring you to the same place? If you hold a certain believe it does not mean that other have that same believe or that said believe is reality.



Again, very judgmental when you don't know the whole story. A problem with this kind of replies is that it sets a tone for follow up replies and invites a 'gang-up' on a person.







This is almost a sure way to invite bad reactions and as such it's not needed.



GOOD EXAMPLES OF REPLYING TO PEOPLE


Excellent information and a good way of coining a theory/explanation.



A nonjudgmental call for more information. Very good!



It saddens me that this thread derailed in such a way. When people make claims that are clearly out of the ordinary then we should not welcome them with an aggressive and judgmental tone, we should welcome them with politely asked questions and sharing of our doubts.

When we gang up on a person then all we do is haunt someone away without ever knowing if this person found something special or not.

So please, before you make another post in this thread again, think twice about how your message will come across to the other person. If it's aggressive and judgmental: then don't post it but change it into something good!


Kind regards,

The Traveler

You are right traveller. But advising people to ingest 1200 mg´s of DMT orally, with MAOI`s does sound extremely dangerous to me.

I don´t want to assume automatically that someone who claims doing this on a regular basis is telling lies. Maybe the person is something of an anomally. That´s possible.

Nevertheless, for people who have a normal sensitivity to DMT, or who have only a slight tolerance, such amounts could be VERY harmfull or even deadly.

As i have stated before: taking 20 to 30 times the 'normal' amount of almost any product, will result in either death or hospitalisation: The amount of caffeine in 20 to 30 cups of coffee taken at once, the amount of salt in 20 to 30 bag´s of chips or 20 to 30 aspirines taken at once can kill a person. DMT is a powerfull drug that works on the brain. Taking 20 to 30 times a normal dose could result in death, all kinds of trauma or maybe even permanent brain damage or a psychosis.

From the perspective of an experienced user of DMT, wich most people on this site are, claims of taking 20 to 30 doses, sound like the claims of someone who has no idea at all what DMT is, what it does, and what it's capable of.

So i'm not saying that anyone is lying. What i do want to say, however, is that for people with a 'normal' metabolism, these amounts are impossible to ingest safely, and not just a bit off.....but waaaay beyond anything what can be considered safe. And that it's dangerous and irresponsible to make such claims, just like it's irresponsible for a person to claim on a website that he has ingested 20 to 30 times the amount of salt, present in a normal meal...even if he would be an anomally.

I know that some people like a bit of exaggeration now and then. We're surrounded by bullshit exagerations all day long: on the radio, TV, magazines and the internet, there are constantly people telling us that some new diet will make you loose 10 pounds in 3 days, effortlesly, or that some skincream can make rinkles that have build-up over the coarse of 40 years disapear within less than a week.

There is a danger that some people will start believing that those kind of 'impossible' claims are possible after all: people believe the weirdest things, just because they've read it on the internet somewhere.

In response to being upset about "boasting" about "mega" doses, instead of attacking the people who are claiming they've successfully ingested quite large amounts of DMT, why not respond with a disclaimer for other inexperienced members that this is not safe, and to proceed with caution if truly thinking about putting yourself through this. Attacking people and saying they are boasting is not constructive at all. I don't quite believe the op, I think it's physically impossible to smoke one gram of DMT in one sitting. It would take hours, something his original post did not imply, and in my opinion, would have if he truly put himself through such a daunting task.

As for the other fellow claiming he's taken mega doses, I am less skeptical and actually believe what he says is possible. Breakthroughs for me are at the ~45-50mg range, and about halfway through the experience I've been able to open my eyes and smoke while the universe is unfolding before me. I cannot imagine what is happening at those other doses being talked about here, that's just baffling.

People often confuse the dose they put in their smoking device with the dose that ends up in their bloodstream. They are never the same.

The dose one puts in a smoking device is ALWAYS MORE than the dose that ends up in ones bloodstream, regardless of device and technique. Only IV administration guarantees that the entire measured dose will enter into the bloodstream.

A poor choice of smoking device and improper technique can lead to very little of a dose actually making it into ones bloodstream. So everyone should keep in mind that when someone says they smoked a 100-200mg dose, all they’re really saying is that they loaded a 100-200mg dose into their smoking device. For a 100mg dose, what is actually consumed could be anywhere from close to 100mg to as low as zero.

*ALWAYS more

but yeah...dead on and often ignored in the haste to claim 'heroic' status.

Thanks for the correction.

What I find disheartening is that when something happens thats falls out of line with what current science says is possible or should happen its automatically labeled bullshit and whoever is making the claim a liar.

I say if hyperspace is possible the idea of someone ingesting a huge dose of dmt and surviving is nothing to get excited about.

Some people can eat one milligram of peanut butter and die while there are other people out there that will sit down and eat a 10 lb jar of it at once, the world is full of extreme cases of anything you can imagine.

I will do unto others as I would have them do unto me and take this gentleman at his word.

Thank you for sharing brother.

However you choose to do it I can promise you and so can a few here who have accidentally broken through the break through. If you succeed no matter how strong you think you are you'll regret it and most likely it will be your very last trip into hyperspace. As I said once, there is nothing more disturbing than hearing your soul screaming in unmitigated terror as it is torn to pieces.

As far as high dosages there at least for me is a limit. Regardless of how much I take after a certain point you can only reach that point. It's kind of like putting a whole lot of gas in your car, it's not going to go faster as a result. What triggers the extension beyond breakthrough, again for me, has to be another variable added usually a very powerful one.

Do not be so eager to step into the abyss. It's not something that you will enjoy. Mega dosages aren't something that impress me, been there done that makes for a strong experience but nothing compared to other ways. Get a regular sized dose, sit in a 7 door 49 rock sweat lodge ceremony and try to last. Lay down in a floatation tank while being fed binaural beats under the influence of AYA and die a thousand deaths as time itself dissolves and holds no meaning.

That will get you there, good luck finding your way back. Be sure to cut off a few months of life to deal with the aftermath. If you come back a week later and post here then I seriously doubt you actually did it. There wont be enough left of you to do that and the nexus will be the furthest thing from your mind I promise.

I just wanted to share a story.

I was smoking weed for quite a few years when I was a kid, through teenage years and on. Anyway when I was about 13 I was with my friend and I thought I would get him high on marijuana. He had never smoked, so this was a first and excited about it. Well we smoked a joint and asked him if he liked it. He replied that he doesn't feel anything. What?? As we smoked more, Still nothing.. I myself was far gone, red eyes and all. He however got nothing off of it. Like his body didn't know what to do with it. This would happen the same the next 2 more times. Then by the 4th session it worked!! He got fully high!! Strange thing eh?

So maybe someone could smoalk and smoalk and get nothing from spice. Or maybe their body has to get used to it (like my friend on MJ)

A message from Master BassFace:(this is my last time logging into this forum, out of due respect to Traveller and Uncle Knucles and everyone else who has more control of it, then the rest of us. This is meant to inspire learning, sharing and expanding.)

Everyone please listen to vovin. I appreciate what vovin and others like EZ4U2SHOOT
have done for the community since my first post.

Thank you all for your wonderful comments and schooling in proper delivery within
this forum. I am very flattered and entertained. I owe you all further explanation.
The tone I used was meant to convey the overwhelming emotions and attitude I gained
from the experience. Perhaps if someone else had the same experience, they would
recognize my style of rant and power. I acted challenging because I knew that people
would respond the way I predicted from my post, just as they had done to Toppy when
he claimed to discover that the visuals in dmt are actually dna. My prediction came
true. I recommended users be deleted, a user was deleted.

Please note, this is not a fish story, this is a water bearing story. I know how to
vape DMT and I know what a breakthrough is and I know what you experienced when you
explain your trip. I've done well over 100 hits of the previously mentioned liquid
LSD at a time. I've done thousands and thousands of hits of LSD over time. I've
combined dmt and lsd and all sorts of other combos. I've developed schizophrenia and
cured it on LSD over an entire year! I've done hundreds of regular DMT doses, dozens
types with many hardcore trippers. The only other person that has had a trip that I
didn't understand was another Aquarius with a birth chart concentrated to sag, cap,
aqua and pisces, almost the same as mine. I am communicating to you through my
Gemini moon that has spent 27 years of intensive research and experiment to finally
connect with my eternal self to pass on these notes from hyperspace that I am
presenting to you. This has been my family's work since before I was born. This is
the start of the age of aquarius and from my few posts you will have the key. My
theories will begin to be proved around the planet.

Concerning EZ4U2: When I first started with DMT I could not handle more than 50mg
without being terrified, but I worked my way up. I keep smoking as much as I can and
I go catatonic and leave my body and have had many mind shattering breakthroughs
dancing through the cosmos and playing music with the planets. Then as soon as I
remember my body, I smoke more and more. But ez4u2 have you ever had that stop in an
instant and it all gets sucked out of you and you're physically awake instantly but
the world is leaving you, getting sucked out of you, where you're in the center of
all time and struggling to find your way back???? That question was my purpose for
the original post. We all need to know. Vovin knows what I'm talking about. One second i'm catatonic and out of my body, the next second everything gets sucked away and im running around my house trying to find my way back to reality. And everything is literally four dimensional. That other Aquarius who had a trip I didn't understand, later explained that it was the same as mine, he was being sucked into the blackness after going into his throat and shrunk a cancerous growth that had been escalating.

I have had a tumor under my right nipple for ten years. From back in the meth
smoking days. The foam I spat out on my worm hole trip has been confirmed as
pneumonia. I CURED PNEUMONIA WITH DMT AND MY TUMOR IS NOW ALMOST COMPLETELY
VANISHED!!!!!
Does anyone know the significance of this??? This is unheard of!! Unless someone
else knows different. Pneumonia is called Captain of The Men of Death. I defeated
him. this can cure ANYTHING if your soul wants it too! but how do I prove this
without getting arrested?

So, basically my trip with the codon angel, (I'll interptet as such) was a worker
that was using my spiritual beliefs thoughts and emotions, and could amplify the
results while i was in there, on DMT. When I was united with my eternal self I
remembered the battle between my self and the creator of this reality, Belief
(Death, Hell, Cancer, third dimension god, etc.) as soon as I won is when the
instant trip change happened. The entity was sucked through a DNA wormhole and the
un- harmonious vibrations of this world of decay and recycle were sucked out while I
was in the 4th dimension because they can't exist there, suffering doesn't exist
there because all of our perceptions are aligned because we can KNOW instead of
BELIEVE, this is the start of the age of Aquarius! LISTEN UP! we can get there in
this body, if you die before then, Great! You'll get a better body. In this reality
our individual perceptions are so different that they form in the collective
unconscious a still combination of our own unique points of view. When we all align
our knowledge and agree on a decision we can combine our perceptions of this reality
and control the infinity of it. We will discover how the quantum physics holographic
frequency view of reality is a direct extension of our DNA. We can now turn new
codons on with this method and our bodies will vibrate in harmony.

The virgin mother gave birth to dual fish that created an electric ocean that the
lion can now go swimming in when we remember who the king of this jungle is, the
seventh seal will break when the game of chess on the beach with death is won. The
Earth will resonate at 8hz with the 8th overtone at 64hz. The geometry
contemplators can expand on that. The earth will change and this is the chance to
have our bodies change with it, we must be clear and pure or we will not make it, we
must be Ying AND Yang or you will have to wait until next time.

Try to imagine to back when the original human's pineal glands were the size of an
eyeball and they were constantly on DMT. You can either consider my information to
be from the same source as them, the information they used to built society into
what it is now. Or you can consider it to be the same mumbo jumbo intangible
bullshit that they left for us to figure out until NOW.

One thing I will apologize for is my lack of adequacy in using English and religion,
science, psychedelia, DMT lingo and so forth to try and explain this, but there are
those who will decipher, my automated stream of conscious into all forms of
communication. So then the truth of the entire world's beliefs can amalgamate into
fact. This information is passing through the brilliant minds of the world just from
me typing it into my phone. We all know what the deal with the world is, we just
have to remember who we are. Going into DMT land for extended periods of time will
help you align with your godhead. My ego was already gone from the over-use of LSD,
now my fear has been conquered. The moment I won is when I realized the age of
Pisces is over and the age of Aquarius can begin. Then the wormhole was activated.
The exact same thing happened to my other wormhole friend. A guy who, like me has
been way higher on DMT then that particular time. But performed a deep inner healing
which allowed the gods of the codons to create a wormhole and flush the shit out.
Who cares whos dick is bigger, in the fourth dimension it's vibrantly changing in
all directions so there is no size difference.

To reiterate what I said in my last post. Anyone who argues with or insults another
humans DMT discoveries, has not gone far enough to know because of ego and fear
blockages. This ii know for sure because that same ego fear dissonance is what stems
competition and the incapability to believe. Precisely in the manner used by the
argumentative, jealous forum users who banned me arrogantly and ignorantly without
letting me say another word, depriving everyone else from the information that a
nexus like this is responsible for facilitating. The more enlightened users on the
forum made brilliant supportive comments full of information. while the controllers
of the nexus elite club, users who are actually exempt from the same rules which
initiated the whole explosion of attitude and wonder, gave nothing but attitude
competition and disbelief but with loving motherly concern and protection for it's
users because someone is sweeping their baby away. Well guys, the baby has grown up
and it's time to let her move out and get gang banged by a hockey team. You are
great parents who have done so much for us Little Travellers with this site and
getting us all together. And now to hear me speak. This is the one message of the 27
years I have spent synthesizing a method for ascension. We have the technology with
DMT. But you have to build up your intake! or wait for another method.

Even if I did recommend you to smoke a gram in one sitting, you wouldn't be able to
until you are able to! Theres no way someone can smoke that much without building up
to it. And the shit is so expensive so how many people have enough to do that much
constantly?! You dont need to!!! I needed to in order to heal! My mind is blown from
way less! But if you need to be healed, this is the way!!! Maybe these other users
haven't had serious healing to be done. Maybe that's why they havent had to fight
their way back through a rapid flushing violent blackhole in their own personal dna
and point of view.

There is so much more to all of this but I can only put into your language so much
information in one post. And it may get deleted but I'm sure me and the forum
controllers can put aside our differences and jump on the same boat. And sail the
electric ocean of eternal creative consciousness.

Im sure if I met some of the people who question me, we'd be best friends! I will
not argue until I know that I am right. So bring on your arguments. I will get
aggressive if I have to. If you were about to rape my mother I would rip your cock
out and shove it up your ass! If you are going to destroy my mother earth, I will
get as aggressive as these few meaningless words. If your child was about to get hit
by a car, you too would scream, run and throw that child off the street, possibly
getting hit yourself. Get your head out of your ass and LISTEN UP! This is it
people! And I feel better than I knew existed! You cant kill me because I've already
done my work here, I will be there waiting for you to return. This is a message of
unconditional love. We are a beautiful advancing form of life that is ready for the
next step. Ayeeeeeeeeeeeee wadadadadadada prprprprprprprprprprprprp. Nonsense to
some, the LOGOS for others. Mark these words my friends. Life is gonna be so
fricking cool! DMT or not!

Yeah I'm coming off like some preacher ego maniac pyzcho god figure know-it-all, but
I just evolved humanity! Give me a break guys! I'm just some dude who got united
with his higher purpose and figured it out. You know I'm right. You know you're
right. This is not my work, this is the combined work of all of humanity. Watch the
proof start entering your computer screen tv newspapers etc etc etc.... Here we
go...

Ps I would definitely prefer a much more comedic tone from everyone but I had to
start in such a way to keep up with the attitudes of all these forum users ;P I'm
joking I'm joking! Come on lighten up! We can all talk shit and win and lose fights
but we can't all live forever so let's figure out how at least good portion of us
can. I gave you all you need. When western scientists start using frequency to learn
about the "junk DNA" instead of splicing and cutting, we will learn how our DNA
controls the world in a way quantum physics will understand. Artists will gain
harmony and control of the frequency's effects on our body and will help to guide
our beliefs and feelings towards harmonious proportions of unconditional love. This
is Xenomorphosis. Supra-evolution will occur any time now...

This is a start. Here's a link to the song that started this whole fiasco and
allowed my inner moral struggles to be unfolded and dealt with. My attempt to
communicate with the codon worker. I recommend put headphones on, push play, take
your hit. Don't finish the song if it triggers a wormhole as described earlier. It
will communicate in frequency what your DNA needs and while on DMT allow your body
and the angel entities to know that they need to heal with a wormhole.
http://m.soundcloud.com/...ter-bassface-wins-in-dmt

Also I would like to thank all of you for portraying the imaginary characters in my
fictitious story of dimensional travel. It's all content for my next movie.
I'm sure you'll figure it out. Or email my pretend best friend at mybestfrienddmt@gmail.com

Peace,

Master Bassface (fictional character of a fictional author)

Let me state one thing. I have made some outright stupid statements in my time. Dont bother searching they are not here, You see I have a filter, it's called notepad. I when in a state other than 'normal' I reply on a text file. In a day or two when perspective has changed as it inevitably does I read what I wrote. Sometimes it is wise sometimes, idiotic,that one filter makes all the difference. If it is of worth to the subject I post it, if it isn't I put it in this little folder called Imma fool. Every now and then I read the files in this folder. It reminds me that I am not as wise as many claim that I am just clever and experienced, savvy in the way of words. In life I have made a fool of myself and learned that I do not see things as they truly are and I often make the mistake of judging spontaneously, usually to great shame.

Truth be told I was a crazy young man, fully capable of being banned from this forum in the first 10 posts or less. Learned a lot since then, with still much to learn. We all start out as reckless fools, proof be that you are here taking a drug most are terrorfied to even consider. But you my foolish fearless friends are here breaking the mind and stepping through to places unknown. It's not a unforgivable offense, in time the fool becomes a wise man, why? He sought where others fear to tread. Peace be with you on your journey, in time you will find your way. Do not regret your folly, I have learned far far more from my mistakes than my successes.

But remember this is a place of text, a digital realm. What you say must be examined. While you may mean one thing, we cannot see your face we cannot know the person that is you from 26 letters. Things can be misconstrued, they can appear to be something other than what you mean.

All of this taken into consideration please understand that those here that lead the nexus have a obligation to all of mankind and our way as a whole. They are burdened with the responsibility to ensure the safety of the newcomers to this community who through naivete might endanger themselves out of desperation. Seeking something more they like I once did will go to the most extreme of extremes to find that which they seek. Their suffrage is upon the shoulders of those who lent them aid in this undertaking, as a surgeon it is not the lives you save that will haunt you but those who were lost.

This is not your common forum, of all the 'drugs' one can take this is one of the very few that many consider different.It is the pinnacle of mind alteration, the responsibility of this site to show the world that this is not a place of drug addicts looking to bake their minds and become a burden to society. It is here that we must stand and remove the stigma of our way. The price of this is the necessity that we maintain our philosophical and spiritual persona. We must be 'uppity' as we seek to establish a understanding that this is not a means of escape but a serious undertaking. It is not a recreational drug that will make you the cool guy at parties.

In the end this is a forum not about DMT, but the search for something more. The Nexus is 10% about extraction, 90% about dealing with what comes after your first breakthrough. DMT is only a step on a journey that will take a lifetime. Enlightenment is the goal, one that none will find. The fact is there is no shortcut, the wisdom you so earnestly seek is in the journey, there is no destination, there is no end, there is no success only a eternal struggle to move forward.

To those who were banned or ostracized, you will find that if you follow the guidelines which are hotly debated before implemented, you will be welcome back most enthusiastically. We are not ones to judge you, we have all been lost and crazy in our desperation. We cannot judge you when we ourselves have been there. But still we must protect the persona of our community, for the safety of many and to ensure that all find a happy place here and the aid needed is available to deal with what comes from taking on this path.

Ok I lied. I logged in again, with more respect, before I get banned again. Just to say thank you vovin. I like you. Yes I am a fool and yes I do know when I am right. I have done much and learned much from this whole experience, unfortunately this forum did not help me the way it is intended too. Instead it banned me. Traveller I understand you're responsibility and perhaps maybe I was wrong and you DO understand me. Uncle Knucles I bet if I saw some of your 'art' and if I thought it was good, I would probly be quite admired by your attitude. Ez4u2shoot, you are the shit! I love you guys. But please do help me out because there is definiteness in hyperspace that we should figure out. No one has been able to give me answers except when I'm on DMT. And they are becoming more clear all the time. So I will give the answers, while still agreeing with you that we will never know. But we will know what we née to, if we can join forces on this one. I'm fineto go alone if none of you want to come along. But you are going there anywhere so let's maximize humanity's potential with it. This is not a recreational drug and this is not a debate, this is our responsibility as the individuals that the DMT has found it's way too. We are a team whether we like it or not. Whether we work together or not, we will influence each other's research and unlock new keys. My life has changed dramatically since this happened. Magic is happening, and I hope to give insight into how my transformation works so that others may use and expand upon my discoveries. There is no fact but this is definite useable information that works. That is as factual as it gets. Plus I cured pneumonia from smoking DMT, one of the 'clockwork elves' helped me out. My doctor will tell you his mind is blown as well. Peace, love, see you on the flipside...