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Q21Q21: Vinegar + Lime + Naphtha = Impressive. Options
 
Vodsel
#1 Posted : 2/26/2012 5:32:49 PM

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A previous STB attempt resulted in failure. Yellowish, oily, low yield proved to be mostly inactive, so I decided to give Q21Q21 dry tek a go in the next attempt. Also, using a different MHRB supplier.

List of Materials

- 100g MHRB, shredded.
- 250ml Distilled White Vinegar, 8%
- 200g Calcium Hydroxide (Ca(OH)2), Chemical Grade.

> Edit: This amount of Lime for 100g MHRB appears to be overkill, as stated by tele in this thread. It won't affect negatively the final yield, but probably half the amount is more than enough - high amounts are reported to absorb more solvent than necessary.

- Distilled water.
- Hexane, Chemical Grade.
- Coffee grinder.
- Measuring cup.
- 1 HDPE2 container.
- 2 Fitting Stainless Steel Cooking Pots with lid.
- 4 Hermetic glass mason jars.
- Funnel, chopsticks, spoon, coffee filters, razor blades.
- Cat to stare at you from the kitchen door.

Procedure

1.- MHRB was finely reduced to a powder consistency using a coffee grinder, around 20g at a time. Hard pieces of bark were fond of getting stuck between the spinning razor and the container, completely blocking the mechanism, so patience and a knife were necessary in order to keep the engine healthy.

2.- Ground MHRB was moved to the HDPE2 container. Added 200ml vinegar, mixed thoroughly until a dark red pulp (consistency of thick soup) was obtained.

3.- The sealed container was left aside for 4 days, stirring the contents daily.

4.- MHRB / Vinegar mix was moved to a stainless steel cooking pot. Added another 50ml of vinegar, and around 100ml of distilled water. The mix was cooked in the stove, at a low setting, letting it reduce slowly for a couple hours approximately, stirring every 5-10 minutes. The result was roughly 60% of the original volume.

6.- Two minutes after turning off the stove, 150g of Ca(OH)2 were slowly added and mixed to the Vinegar-MHRB pulp with the valuable help of a couple disposable chopsticks. The warm mix was left to rest for four hours approximately. In this time, slow evaporation of water and vinegar occurs, taking the mixture to a near-crumbly consistency.

5.- In the meantime, the larger cooking pot was filled 2/3 with tap water (making sure that the bottom of the smaller pot would be soaked when fitting it inside, with no overflow and spilling) and taken to a simmering boil.

6.- The smaller pot with the goodies was placed on top of the larger one, giving it a hot water bath in order to warm up the goodies again. In this moment, adding (small!) amounts of either distilled water or Ca(OH)2 helps to bring the mixture to the desired crumbly consistency. See picture 1.

7.- Turned off the stove (and ANY flame sources nearby) and pour 125ml of hexane in a measuring cup.

8.- (OPTIONAL SCREW UP) Pour the hexane in the MHRB/Vinegar/Lime mixture. Realize the hexane starts to boil and evaporate due to an excessively high temperature of the recipient. Curse. Open the kitchen extractor at maximum, open the window. Blow at the pot as the hexane evaporates, spreading cool-yet-scary hexane gas waves around. Wait until the hexane has vanished. Remove the pot from the water bath, let it cool off aside for 5-10 minutes. Appreciate the cat's scoffing look.

9.- Measured another 125ml of hexane. Poured slowly. Sighed in relief as it didn't boil this time. Stirred with chopsticks making sure that the solvent ran all around the mixture. Cover with lid and let it rest for 15 minutes, stirring occasionally.

10.- With the help of the pot lid and a coffee filter (the MHRB-vinegar-lime mix is crumbling, loose and likes to fall as you tilt the pot), decanted the hexane into a glass mason jar. (Note: Certainly some of the hexane is either absorbed by the bark mix, or evaporates through the very high overall surface of the mixture, so the amount of decanted solvent is lower. This appears to be, as said by others, the only drawback of this tek: it is not particularly efficient in the usage of solvent. But I am NOT complaining considering the result.)

11.- Sealed tight the jar and placed in freezer.

12.- Repeated 9,10,11 for another pull. Put the second solvent jar in the freezer, rejoiced at the sight of the first pull cloudy white just after 30 minutes.

13.- Covered the mixture and left aside to do another pull (or two) after 24+ hours.

14.- Give high five to cat. Surprise your wife by showing up again in the living room. Let mason jars sleep in the freezer, kissing them goodnight and realizing a nice collection of white globes is already there.

15.- The morning after, poured the solvent through a coffee filter to reuse it for the last pulls. Scraped freebase spice with razor blade, scooped the floaters stuck in the filter. Optionally, wash filter with acetone to retrieve any letfovers.

16.- Feel basically awesome even before finishing the rest of the pulls. Report to the Nexus.

A final note will be added soon with the total yield information. It does look so far higher than I expected, though. Thanks to everyone for their research, information and assistance. I love you, guys Smile
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Good quality Syrian rue (Peganum harmala) for an incredible price!
 
ewok
#2 Posted : 2/26/2012 5:50:47 PM

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Excellent results there, I often use that tek and has never failed me. Them crystals looking yum.
Black then white are all I see in my infancy.
Red and yellow then came to be,
reaching out to me, lets me see.
There is so much more and it beckons me to look though to these,
infinite possibilities.
As below so above and beyond I imagine,
drawn outside the lines of reason.
Push the envelope. Watch it bend.
 
Vodsel
#3 Posted : 3/11/2012 9:10:25 PM

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Thanks, ewok Smile

Edited the first post for a note on the excess of lime. Thanks to tele for the heads up.

Final yield was 1,2 grams. Roughly 1 g of pretty white spice (with no re-X) and about 200 mg of jimjam multi-colored mix from leftovers.

Product was assayed with a sweet brand new GVG Cool - 20 mg with a beginner's technique delivered an EXTREMELY PLEASANT journey. Unique visuals with eyes closed, very nice high, gentle introspection. Left me wanting more in the best way.

If this is what happened with barely any spice smoking experience and a rather small dose (considering I most likely didn't vape it all) I have the feeling this is the beginning of a very, very nice friendship.
 
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#4 Posted : 3/11/2012 9:17:55 PM

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Glad it turned so well for you, did you try your spice with some rue tea?
INHALE, SURVIVE, ADAPT

it's all in your mind, but what's your mind???

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Vodsel
#5 Posted : 3/11/2012 9:23:06 PM

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3rdI wrote:
Glad it turned so well for you, did you try your spice with some rue tea?


For several reasons I was not able to observe a little diet for the tea, so I extracted a small amount of freebase rue alkaloids, and I infused some herbs with them and the spice. I certainly remembered your advice.

However, I still suck at manske-ing them for some reason. I got a very low yield, I have lots to improve, but now the feeling is I am in the right track.
 
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#6 Posted : 3/11/2012 9:31:04 PM

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I don't think a diet is strictly necessary, I just consume ground up seeds and its always fine, I get no side effects, well no unwanted ones anywayVery happy

INHALE, SURVIVE, ADAPT

it's all in your mind, but what's your mind???

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Vodsel
#7 Posted : 3/11/2012 9:41:13 PM

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I guess I just wanted to be in the safe side. I did not want to risk and have an upset stomach in a lovingly (and long) prepared first contact with spice... I've had so far a pretty weird story with entheogens. Plants that are often physically harsh have been really nice with me (Argyreia, Salvia) and famous friendly fellas like mushrooms hit me hard in the stomach. And I really, really wanted to get along with spice physically.

Next time I shall be bolder Smile
 
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#8 Posted : 3/30/2012 5:14:35 AM

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Q21's tek is pure genius.

Its relatively easy
-no siphoning, extensive filtration, simply mix like cookies, let it do its magic, pour through a simple coffee filter and your solvent of choice is rdy.

clean (sometimes) and safe. Also can be very quick. Ive tried it using naptha and also w/ limonene and Xylene (w/ many different saltings of NPS) and have had amazing results every time.

-Limo is great for pulling, product usually must be washed w/ Freezing anahydrous IPA because of oily residue/color/smell. Pulls very effectively, and relatively clean w/ a FASIPA salting. But id recommend the BLAB tek for full spectrum extraction.

-Xylene + FASI percipitation = initially beautiful (like snow). But if you're washing with IPA then extraction method is negligible.

I swear by this tek and the blab tek. Good Walkthrough. Q21 thank you thank you thank you....
 
quetzalcoatl42
#9 Posted : 4/26/2012 2:10:27 AM

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agree on topic big time...

best tek I tried.

Quote:
for every 4 parts of MHRB 3 parts of CaOH


see, thread above... mashed potato & pasta press

 
hexan
#10 Posted : 5/13/2012 4:12:22 PM

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great write up there.
I use Q21 too and will tweak my next lab to emulate yours as your yields are better than mines. I have a feeling I used kak MHRB last time so I have high expectations next time.

High five to your cat and happy travels ; )

H
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Vodsel
#11 Posted : 5/13/2012 11:31:49 PM

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hexan wrote:
great write up there.
I use Q21 too and will tweak my next lab to emulate yours as your yields are better than mines. I have a feeling I used kak MHRB last time so I have high expectations next time.

High five to your cat and happy travels ; )

H


Thank you, hexan Smile

Make sure you do at least four pulls, and I'd recommend six - not too close in time. Good luck!
 
 
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