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autological
#1 Posted : 2/25/2012 3:11:34 AM

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Hi, DMT-Nexus. I am J.

I was thinking the other day that true statements are as plentiful as false statements, because every true statement has a negation which is false and vice versa. Yet there are three classes of statements: (1) true statements, (2) false statements, and (3) nonsensical statements. Every true or false statement may be made nonsensical by putting in or taking out words in the true or false statement. Therefore, nonsensical statements are at least as numerous as true or false statements; therefore, the number of nonsensical statements equals at least the number of true statements added to the number of false statements.

Furthermore, every nonsensical statement may be conjoined with every other nonsensical statement, yielding a new nonsensical statement. This new nonsensical statement may be joined with another nonsensical statement which reads, "The nonsensical statement formed from the conjunction of every nonsensical statement is true," (this is a nonsensical statement since a nonsensical statement cannot have a truth-value of "true", otherwise it would not be nonsensical). This can be applied indefinitely, yielding a set of nonsensical statements with a cardinality of infinite. But it was already mentioned that the number of true statements added to the number of false statements equaled the number of nonsensical statements, and the number of nonsensical statements is infinite; therefore, the number of true statements is infinite, as is the number of false statements (this is implied by the notion of Dedekind infinite: if two numbers sum to aleph-zero (the number of natural numbers), then both numbers are aleph-zero).

Now, if the number of true statements is infinite, then we could not possibly know all of it, implying (I think) there are some things which will never be known.

What do you think of this?



 

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#2 Posted : 2/25/2012 3:35:19 AM

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autological wrote:
Hi, DMT-Nexus. I am J.

I was thinking the other day that true statements are as plentiful as false statements, because every true statement has a negation which is false and vice versa. Yet there are three classes of statements: (1) true statements, (2) false statements, and (3) nonsensical statements. Every true or false statement may be made nonsensical by putting in or taking out words in the true or false statement. Therefore, nonsensical statements are at least as numerous as true or false statements; therefore, the number of nonsensical statements equals at least the number of true statements added to the number of false statements.

Furthermore, every nonsensical statement may be conjoined with every other nonsensical statement, yielding a new nonsensical statement. This new nonsensical statement may be joined with another nonsensical statement which reads, "The nonsensical statement formed from the conjunction of every nonsensical statement is true," (this is a nonsensical statement since a nonsensical statement cannot have a truth-value of "true", otherwise it would not be nonsensical). This can be applied indefinitely, yielding a set of nonsensical statements with a cardinality of infinite. But it was already mentioned that the number of true statements added to the number of false statements equaled the number of nonsensical statements, and the number of nonsensical statements is infinite; therefore, the number of true statements is infinite, as is the number of false statements (this is implied by the notion of Dedekind infinite: if two numbers sum to aleph-zero (the number of natural numbers), then both numbers are aleph-zero).

Now, if the number of true statements is infinite, then we could not possibly know all of it, implying (I think) there are some things which will never be known.

What do you think of this?





I'll tell you what I think, Your introduction essay is nonsense.

Now how about a true statement, sure, okay- You never get a second chance to make a first impression.

Oh! Another true statement? Okay- If you're a new member here and people think that youre posting nonsense they wont read or reply to your posts.

That was a great bunch of nonsense though! WhoooHoooo! Way to go J!

Yea!!!!

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#3 Posted : 2/25/2012 3:39:44 AM

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Sometimes you got to wonder about some of these introduction/first posts.
Black then white are all I see in my infancy.
Red and yellow then came to be,
reaching out to me, lets me see.
There is so much more and it beckons me to look though to these,
infinite possibilities.
As below so above and beyond I imagine,
drawn outside the lines of reason.
Push the envelope. Watch it bend.
 
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#4 Posted : 2/25/2012 3:53:56 AM



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After listening to someone ramble on this topic for the past month, all i want to do is hand a loaded gvg to my prof and end all this armchair masturbation! Very happy

Although i'm not knowledgeable and don't really care about the whole Cantor vs. Kronecker thing..it does sound like some sort of epic He-Man rivalry



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autological
#5 Posted : 2/25/2012 4:03:37 AM

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Jeez. Sorry.
 
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#6 Posted : 2/25/2012 4:21:40 PM
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autological wrote:
Hi, DMT-Nexus. I am J.

I was thinking the other day that true statements are as plentiful as false statements, because every true statement has a negation which is false and vice versa. Yet there are three classes of statements: (1) true statements, (2) false statements, and (3) nonsensical statements. Every true or false statement may be made nonsensical by putting in or taking out words in the true or false statement. Therefore, nonsensical statements are at least as numerous as true or false statements; therefore, the number of nonsensical statements equals at least the number of true statements added to the number of false statements.

Furthermore, every nonsensical statement may be conjoined with every other nonsensical statement, yielding a new nonsensical statement. This new nonsensical statement may be joined with another nonsensical statement which reads, "The nonsensical statement formed from the conjunction of every nonsensical statement is true," (this is a nonsensical statement since a nonsensical statement cannot have a truth-value of "true", otherwise it would not be nonsensical). This can be applied indefinitely, yielding a set of nonsensical statements with a cardinality of infinite. But it was already mentioned that the number of true statements added to the number of false statements equaled the number of nonsensical statements, and the number of nonsensical statements is infinite; therefore, the number of true statements is infinite, as is the number of false statements (this is implied by the notion of Dedekind infinite: if two numbers sum to aleph-zero (the number of natural numbers), then both numbers are aleph-zero).

Now, if the number of true statements is infinite, then we could not possibly know all of it, implying (I think) there are some things which will never be known.

What do you think of this?




I think it´s even worse than that there are some things wich will never be known: If there are some things wich will never be known...every statement that would refer to one of those things, has to be logically speaking, nonsense. And that would mean that every statement that would refer to any of those statements, would be nonsense as well. And these facts would then set off an infinite regression, infecting all of concensus reality with nonsense. Making every single statement nonsensical.

Welcome autological.
 
autological
#7 Posted : 2/25/2012 9:05:50 PM

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That's true. We can't refer to something unless we have some idea of its existence.

Thanks Smile
 
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#8 Posted : 2/26/2012 7:13:30 AM

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autological wrote:
Jeez. Sorry.


No appology required.


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autological
#9 Posted : 2/26/2012 8:58:45 AM

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Ah, I see. Well then friend, I've certainly got my hair in the biscuit, and soon I shall munch myself up. I much prefer it, though.
 
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#10 Posted : 2/26/2012 5:25:50 PM

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autological wrote:
Ah, I see. Well then friend, I've certainly got my hair in the biscuit, and soon I shall munch myself up. I much prefer it, though.


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#11 Posted : 2/26/2012 7:11:04 PM



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everythings true in some sense, false in some sense, meaningless in some sense, true and false in some sense, true and meaningless in some sense, false and meaningless in some sense, and true false and meaningless in some sense...in some sense... Shocked




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