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#1 Posted : 2/13/2012 5:33:48 AM

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backstory: Well shortly a few hours ago i was A/B extracting mimosa hostilas as i had finished about 6-7 pulls with about 300ml of naptha quite sparingly i know the content of the mhrb was unknown because i had ran into practical issues soxhleting mimosa hostillas as as the powder created an emulsion which would not let the powder pass then after using washed cheap cat litter aka clay it nearly siphoned probably could of made it siphon if i would have tried again but the ratio of clay to mimosa hostilas was already 3/2 2 being mhrb, and my soxhlet is not very large i believe to be 200ml? so with the failure of that i went to just using my 1 litter and 500ml round bottoms to acidify using stoichiometry i recommend everyone to learn how to calculate ph/p0h as i have no ph paper XD.

I had a slightly impure solution of naptha containing DMT FB an becuase i did not want to wait so long for the freezer to cool so intialy i thought ice bath but seeing how lowering the temperature is the goal why not dry ice? i purchased 5 pounds of dry which was just over 10 dollars. in ceramic/metal/Pyrex with a solvent with a freezing temperature lower than temperature of dry ice. thought alcohol but as i had drank all the everclear XD and methanol or denatured alchol in my opinion is just to much of a hassle i settled with 70% isopropanol 99% probably would be better. the 70% created a slurry gooey like substance as the water water to freeze and the isopropanol was getting close to its freezing point. i also used non pyrex jars which worked just fine i feel one may had fractured as it touched the dry ice directly and i transferred the contents to another no loss but this yeilded a dense yellow ice formation that looked to be about 3-4grams which was not right at all this was probably H2O i decanted and this left once dissolved i didnt measure but looked to be about 5mls of napta. i put it in an evap dish. From this point i did something stupid and at 78 degrees C using an Infrared heat gun i placed the evap dish on a hot plant i had turned off doing this emerged a white solution which at first seeing as i hadn't done this before thought maybe crystals or something and also a presence of suspended basic Mhrb i didnt decide to re extract just not use it for smoking this ended up evaping significantly as i thought it would be much much more. i ended up collecting to be about the size of a pony/kandi bead of goo.

more notes; as i was attempting to soxhlet things arent as semetrical etc. first time i attempted a soxhlet i used 100% distilled vinegar 5%. and it failed so i collected that plant material. and liquid in a beaker. the second attempt i mixed clay from cat liter i cleaned thoroughly like i washed it 30 times and boiled it etc. i used 91% of 100% isopropanol and 9% of 5% acetic acid almost siphoned but failed saying fuck it i disolve the rest of the rootbark clay mixture in water let it settle and lowered the ph down to 2.3or 2.7 i forget which one i used. i lowered it using muriatic acid i purchased super cheap becuase it said it was used? i assumed they meant used bottle, snazy new hcl inside XD these i left to defat for a really long time like 6-8 hours as i had ran out of naptha, next day i got more naptha pulled did yeah....

well any any feedback i guess be nifty. anyone every try using dry ice or liquid nitrogen before? i feel maybe it makes it to cold and how hot can you bring the tempeture up for naptha to increase the rate of evap seeing i dont have a vaccum filter flask or anything the produces much suction
if you can bassify in ammononia and extract with dcm why not smoke it?
 

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#2 Posted : 2/14/2012 3:54:05 PM

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That was a bit confusing to read Very happy

I think dry ice lowers the temperature too much, so not only DMT will crash, but also all impurities, maybe even it freezes the naphtha? Anyways I think the advantage of a freezer there is because its just in the right temperature that will crash out most dmt (if solvent saturated enough) but not the impurities.

maybe dry ice would be something worth trying for solvents like xylene, which doesnt freeze precipitate.

Regarding naphtha evap, it might form some n-oxide if you try to speed up the evap with heat and/or a fan, but there's very little research to show how fast this happens. In my experience you can use a fan to pre-evap the naphtha and then freeze, without any significant issue with yield.

The other option is, of course, simply salting your DMT from your solvent, that way you dont have to evaporate nor freeze. Then convert the salt back to freebase (as an example, check BLAB tek which has conversion from fumarates as well as from acetates to freebase)
 
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#3 Posted : 2/14/2012 4:46:43 PM

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that sounded like alot of work... was the final product any good?
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#4 Posted : 2/14/2012 6:20:37 PM

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Dry ice sounds good but it's not of much use for freeze precipitations. Naphtha freezes in dry ice and even if you're careful to cool naphtha enough not to freeze (but precipitate stuff) you still have to wait for the crystals to settle or filter them.

It may be good for freeze-precipitating stuff out of DCM and chloroform though. Also your post is too difficult to follow, so I don't know what feedback you may get.



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#5 Posted : 2/17/2012 11:05:01 PM

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hmm i didnt even think that it would freeze the naptha. and i forget about salting XD should of just done that just add hcl right? the naptha would work as a neutral ph i would assume so just calculate using ph and stoichiometry like 3ph? assuming naptha is like 7 ph
if you can bassify in ammononia and extract with dcm why not smoke it?
 
 
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