Hi would this changa mix be a good idea:

Caapi 250 grams cielo, 100 gram red caapi then extracted with the caapi tek.

Just experimental thinking here:
1: chacruna leaves boiled down too a tea
2: simmer it down until a very thick goo is left.
3: smear the uncooked leaves in the goo.
4: Let it dry

What would be the best idea or maybe both
1: drink the caapi extract disolved in some juice to neutralise the kastic sode if there is any leftovers, and then smoke the dmt/chacruna leaves

3: put some dmt and caapi extract on the chacruna leaves.

What do you guys think, is it a good combo? Is there room for improvment? Dont like how changa is normaly made, seems easyier to just weigh and sprinkle it on top. Maybe not?

Would even the aceton method work with what I have planned? would even the caapi extract draw/dissolve itself to the leaves? And what would happen to the goo?

If I were to go that route, I would try to get the leaves to better absorb the crude chacruna extract by dissolving the goo in a minimal amount of 99% IPA then allowing that to soak into the leaves and evap.

I dont think that method would produce good results, you will end up smoking loads of chlorophyl and other plant matter, plus the DMT will be in salt form as oposed to freebase, which is the smokable form. Why do you not like the way Changa is normally made?

By all means try, but I personally think the results won't be particularly impressive.

It sounds like a bad idea then, will skip the chacruna leaves. Seems I will skip that step altogether.

Hmm, lets put it this way what would you rather do? What herbs to blend with?

Maybe just the caapi in juice and dmt FB is good enough.

I use clean fb spice and freebase caapi extract from gibran2s tek, which is very easy.

As for herbs, mint, sage, lavender, blue lotus, jasmine flower, caapi leaf would all add something nice IME, one of my blends even has some chacruna in it

Think I will try mint leaves/damiana sounds like a good newbi start

Would this maybe be something to add? Chiricaspi (Brunfelsia chiricaspi)

I would use just a pinch of damiana as the smoke is quite harsh, but the taste is quite nice. Mint on the other hand is very smooth, so I tend to use it as a 'base' for my mix.

As for the Chiricaspi, i don't know, it's not something I have ever come across - but a brief googling suggests you should tread carefully with this one, maybe smoke a VERY small amount to gauge what the effects might be like. Adding harmalas and DMT is likely to ramp up the effects quite significantly, but if you are new to Changa I would go a more well trodden path at least to start off with. Things that we ingest as teas I have found are great to add to blends, hence the mint, jasmine etc.

Let us know how it goes

Sounds good, Would love if you could take a look at these herbs and tell which ones are good?

Rose Petals, Mullein 25g. Marshmallow Herb, Red Clover, Wild Lettuce, are they all good? http://www.smoketower.co...egory/17/Smoking-mixture

The greengo seems nice, but I dont know. mix of "hazel, papaya, mint och eucalyptus."

suggestions-

Dealing with chacruna sap doesnt sound fun, doesnt sound like it tastes good either.

Keep it simple, go with what works.

you can never have too much caapi in a changa, I have had 30x caapi with spice at a 1:.5 30x caapi:spice

best solvent for making concentrated caapi is water.

anything other than Caapi and spice in your changa is just fluff!

do the real thing and just brew a tea and drink it IMO.

Why waste all that chacruna and caapi by boiling it down to some goop to smoke? And why would you cook psychotria down to a goo to smoke if you are already gunna drink the caapi?

Just sounds like a huge waste to just boil all of that down to a plant goop, not even base it and just burn it away.

Drink ayahuasca.

Yeah will do that thanks





1: because if it had worked that would amount to 30+ doses of good changa(it wasnt, thats why I asked) + leftover chacruna vine(would take more than half) Still got the caapi extract so there will be something like 200 20mg doses before dmt. I am just preparing for the future, and 8- caapi trips is thinking short term.

2: wanted to create a good mix, and ayahuasca and dmt working togheter what can go wrong. That brings it back to me asking.


3: What makes you think I would use it all to make the goo? I would save some of it. And HARD to find a good set and setting for 5 hours. Would love nothing else, but I have to make do with what I can. In the summer I hope I will get a introductin to aya.