Hi all,

I recently went about making some changa. It's nothing special, just some jungle spice and harmalas evaporated onto some bud. I've had a number of good experiences with it, especially if I preload with harmalas orally before hand. I've never been able to break through with any form of smoked DMT, but this most recent batch of changa has provided the most intense experiences I've ever had with any form of smoked DMT. Last night I smoked about 120mgs of the changa (containing about 60mgs of jungle spice) and was quickly transported to what I quickly labeled a "alien disco". I'm usually very unlikely to receive visuals from tryptamines, even at large doses. This experience was probably the most visual I've ever had, incredible neon lights and a light show that makes Vegas seem utterly lame by comparison. I'm beginning to think that my tolerance to DMT might be dropping a bit and allowing me to see these impressive visions.

I was so impressed and moved by the experience I told my significant other that she should really give it a try too as she was also preloaded with the harmalas. I assumed that she would have a similar experience to mine even though she had had somewhat bad reactions to the changa in the past. Well, after smoking ~80mgs of the stuff, she got pretty ill. Within minutes she was in the bathroom vomiting violently. She was really sick for about 10 minutes or so and then moderately sick for around the next hour.

If it were one or two times, I would have chalked it up to bad luck, but now she's attempted it three different times and every time she's gotten sicker than the last. Obviously neither of us are interested in her giving the stuff any more tries, but I'm incredibly perplexed as to what would be causing this sickness.

She's experienced good effects before from oral DMT. She's vomited a few times from it, but I believe that was from overdosing the harmalas and in one case due to the tannins of the DMT brew (I've only used extracted DMT since). Other than that, her tolerance to DMT seems to be much like mine (very high). She does take Lamotrigine to control seizures, but I've never read of any contraindications for either the harmalas or for the DMT itself.

Does anyone know what might be causing this bad reaction? Does anyone here have bad reactions to changa (or perhaps smoked/vaporized DMT) and yet has good experiences with oral DMT? I'm incredibly perplexed as to what could be causing this.

Is she on any medications?

I would try low doses, perhaps without the harmalas, working your way up to find her sweet spot.

Yes, she's on Lamotrigine to control seizures, but I haven't been able to find anything in terms of contraindications. We have tried lower doses, but they don't do anything for either of us. When she smokes enough to actually receive effects, she gets very ill. And she's done it with and without the harmalas. She gets sick either way. The thing that confounds the hell out of me is that she doesn't get sick when she does it orally. At least not usually. And it's not the fact that she has to smoke the changa as she smokes tobacco regularly. I'm just utterly perplexed.

A small percentage of people seem to to unusually suceptible to getting sick from changa (I think particularly made with isopropyl alcohol) even when no one else or few others who smoke from the same batch at around the same time experience no ill effects. If you are making your changa with alcohol, perhaps you'll consider using acetone instead. If this doesn't solve anything, then see if she gets sick from smoking freebase. Freebase might be her best option even though it's more inconvenient regarding smoking technique. Additionally sometimes when a lot of DMT is taken at once (the amount in your changa seems more than enough to qualify) there runs the risk of nausea. Considering that she wasn't feeling under the next day (or was she?), it could very well be her body reacting to a DMT overload.

The solvent that I used was d-limonene, but I made sure it was completely evaporated first. As for your suggestion of smoking freebase, you're referring to just freebase DMT and no harmalas? If so, she's already done that. She doesn't get sick, but she's pretty much unable to smoke enough freebase quickly enough to get any effects. That's the reason that I've taken a liking to changa. Whereas when I attempt to smoke freebase DMT, I can only smoke enough quickly enough to get really mild effects, I find I can take a much longer time when smoking changa. My last attempt with changa was by far the best experience I've had with smoked DMT. A DMT overload probably sounds like the most reasonable option, but she never gets this ill from orally active DMT, even when she takes 150+mgs. Also, I'd have thought that if she is getting too much DMT in her blood that she'd be receiving really significant effects from it. She doesn't, she experiences almost nothing in terms of visuals. This really has me stumped.

This weekend I was hoping to help her achieve a breakthrough through oral DMT. I was initially planning on having her smoke some changa to take her over the edge if she was staying there for a while. As she seems to have a very negative reaction to the stuff, I don't think we'll be doing that.

You can still smoke freebase DMT with harmalas. That's what I usually do. I'll vape some freebase harmine and follow it up with freebase DMT and it works like a charm. Alternatively, you can smoke some caapi leaf with DMT freebase on it, or you can smoke the caapi leaf first and then smoke the DMT if you'd like. This might be her best alternative. Otherwise, in line with your changa/oral DMT idea, my favorite thing to do with oral DMT is to smoke DMT freebase all throughout the experience to constantly push the envelope. It's quite effective, and I couldn't imagine it not being effective if not overly effective.

Did you do an evap test on that d-limonene?
IME d-limonene doesn't evap cleanly and leaves a tacky residue. I wouldn't want to smoke that stuff.

Changa gives me headaches and nausea almost every time. I stick to harmalas and DMT as Global does, or predose harmalas oral/nasal and vaporize the spice.

This ^. I thought as D-Limo leaves behind all sorts of residu as well. All changa recipes I've seen till so far all specifically say to use either IPA or acetone. Most people here seem to prefer acetone as it evaporates quicker and smells more pleasant.

Thanks for all the replies. Yes, I did an evap test and it left behind an extremely tiny amount of residue. I guess I never considered that that might be making her sick as I have no issues with it whatsoever. Also, when she smoked the jungle spice straight up (which is not an easy task), she didn't have any issues with it and that was extracted using the d-limonene. However, I think in the future I'm going to use acetone just to see if she has a better reaction to it.

We dosed DMT orally this past weekend and while we didn't get the breakthrough we were looking for, we did have a nice experience. It just so happens that this weekend, DMT decided to give us a nice MDMA type roll. It's odd that I never really seem to know what I'll get with the stuff.