Well to begin with I was fighting with an ex so I was just in a pisspoor mindset did'nt give a sh@# what happened attitude so now that I can accurately weigh doses I vaped 45 mgs in 2 hits (finally mastered the technique). I definately broke through. About a half hour later I picked another rock out weighed it. It was 86mgs. I actually managed to vape that in 2 hits also. Now this is super clean spice, but let me tell you those were the harshest, thickest hits I've ever taken. I broke through soo hard I actually blacked out kinda. I also prepacked a bowl of 20x salvia and as soon as I was capable of doing so I took a huge bong hit of that. (Figured I might as well go all the way). OK that did it! I did'nt know what was what, if anything was real. I was in this valley I could'nt get out of. I did'nt know who I was, or what I was anymore. Their were people, or entities in my room that I completely thought were real, and I was asking them if they could help me get out of this. Got a little scary for a minuite. But it did'nt last any longer than normal.

Ok. So that definately answered my question;"can I go farther". YES!!! Definately on a little integration break now Guess my sweet spots around 40 mgs. The intensity's their and I can actually remember the trips and get something out of them. Tonite was my first couple experiences with salvia too

How did you manage to smoke salvia after 85mg of spice?

You should be careful with your substance use considering you choosed to take such large doses during a "pisspoor mindset".

Best regards, Chuck.

I smoked it right after I planed out. It don't matter anyway it was just plain stupid and irresponsible of me. I actually feel a little stalebrained today like I I took a bunkload of acid yesterday or something. I still am just awed at that place I was at last night, but I'm on a break now.... a long one.

Plus don't ever look at me as an example folks. I have an unnaturally high tolerance to all drugs except weed and alchohol, and I'm a risk taker.

But I am asshamed of myself for abusing spice that way (it's a sacred thing for me) and am taking a break now.

Deep lake - I think what Chuck is saying is that when you take so much spice you should be in a good mindset. You cant go in pissed off or sad. Or the spice will amplify that. Theres that loop that people claim happens, they get in so ego death (or whatever terrifying scene) and it loops over and over for what feels an eternity. If you go in happy you are more likely to have a happy trip.
I personally think you are fine with your research you are doing, just have a clear mind. But then the only one who knows you best is... You!

i have the feeling the spice dictates itself to people, it is in control if you take it you have to let it.

So if you trust yourself enough to let go of control completely, then you do things spontaneously which you usually could not imagine yourself experiencing.

But i also agree it should never be rushed.

Yeah man!
I put B. Caapii and Salvia 10x (plus a pinch of tobacco) ... but the salvia and spice REALLY LOVE each other and totally just amplify the overall experience... Plus the leaves help the spice dissapate more evenly without wasting it.

I didn't get true entity contact untill adding the Caapi and Salvia

salviachanga

Well about that, it would entirely depend on the persons reason to use.

As everyone else I have my own problems and sometimes I decide to try and deal with them with the aid of psychedelic substances, spice in particular has (for me) the ability to show me the true source of the problem which in some cases may be deeply subconscious and difficult to discover without that specific aid (IMO).

My disagreement is with deeplake's attitude to the matter; "I was just in a pisspoor mindset did'nt give a sh@# what happened attitude", personally, If I dont give a shit, I usually kick the shit out of my sandbag or something instead of taking high doses of medicine

To me, his reason seems to be without any actual reason, which is something I do not advocate, regardless of substance and therefore my advice to deeplake is to take caution, don't let emotional swings be an excuse to use anything else than common sense!