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#1 Posted : 2/7/2012 11:59:28 AM

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It's really refreshing to see these issues being painted in such a light in certain areas of the press. More glimmerings of hope are emerging by the day.

http://apps.facebook.com...-mushrooms-law-war-drugs

"The market in illicit drugs is the third largest market in the world, after food and oil." Holy sh** how are governments not cashing in on this?!
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#2 Posted : 2/7/2012 1:10:47 PM

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Is it possible to read this article somewhere else? (without having to use an app and to "upgrade" to facebook chronic).
 
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#3 Posted : 2/7/2012 1:55:41 PM

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#4 Posted : 2/7/2012 2:21:29 PM

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Yes, of course the gov should invest in something positive. However i think they prefer us to either be fighting wars, or enslaved in monotonous 40 hour week jobs- whichever way is easier to enslave and tax us! Cool
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#5 Posted : 2/7/2012 5:31:07 PM

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Thanks dlb!
..and of course Purges..

This is so exciting. So many good news, people starting to notice the obvious.

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The newly published results are exciting enough to have generated funding for a major study into psilocybin and depression, which will begin shortly


..and i already know the result of this study Very happy

They can't close their eyes forever, they can't ignore scientific results forever!

 
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#6 Posted : 2/7/2012 5:44:49 PM

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I would not want to see gov sales of these things to be honest..after years of destroying lives for the same thing, they would now say it's okay as long as you buy it from them, at most likely high prices while they tax you to death. It would be like tobacco and alcohol are here in canada..I know its WAY cheaper in the US though..

I agree with Johnothan Ott here..

"I am not in favour of legalization or any kind of deal with the government because that just means more taxes. I you legalize cannabis the big tobacco companys will control the market. And in archaic times tobacco was a very potent visionary drug and then it was turned into a vice - just enough to hurt people but not get them high. What I am in favour of is to decriminalizing the drug market. I am trying more and more to expose the extent of official involvement in drug-trafficking. There have been scandals throughout Europe and many other countries when the drug-war people exposed as beeing involved in trafficking and corruption. More people are realizing that their own governments are doing this. For the governments it is a great opportunity to get a lot of money and put people they don´t like into prison. My hope is not a new control system for substances controlled by any government. Now we have a really good offering - the prices are going down the purity is going up. Prohibition gives our people a cahnce to make a good living in the drug business, otherwise they´d have to compete with tobacco and alcohol companies. I would like a kind of a truce were there is no possibility of putting anyone in prison for this kind of business. And then just say: "O.k. you guys, the CIA, the DEA and the US-military, you can traffic with drugs but we wish to compete with you, and then see who will win". I think this will not evolve by any kind of public agreement but just by attrition. Sooner or later there won´t be a political will to put more people into prison. They call the USA "The Land of the Free" but the country has 25 % of all the prisoners in the entire world, it has the highest prison rate per population, except for China. They are now over 2 million prisoners in the USA, most of them for drug offences, nearly one in every hundred people. It is very expensive, it costs more than to send people to a private university. There is hardly any family in the country that doesn´t know someone in prison, sometimes a family member or a close friend. These people understand all the lies about the war on drugs. It is not about justice or sending dangerous people to jail. The opposite is true, because meanwhile dangerous people are being released to make room in the prisons. The more people they put into jail the more people will know that this system is not about justice."

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#7 Posted : 2/7/2012 7:23:18 PM

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While I think that you may be right about the government sales thing, that is the beauty of entheogens, you don't have to rely on the government or a farmer to produce them! Spores can easily be traded, cannabis seeds are freely available, cacti are easily grown in the living room - even during prohibition, so imagine what it would be like if we didn't get prosecuted for cultivating a few plants in the privacy of our own homes. I don't think the legality is as much of an issue for me as what happens to you should you get caught, which should be nothing.
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#8 Posted : 2/7/2012 7:50:04 PM

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To be honest, what do people really need???...NOT 95% what they're being programmed to believe , that's for sure!Cool

-Modern day brainwashing, doncha just love it!!! :evil:
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#9 Posted : 2/7/2012 10:47:31 PM

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Purges wrote:
While I think that you may be right about the government sales thing, that is the beauty of entheogens, you don't have to rely on the government or a farmer to produce them! Spores can easily be traded, cannabis seeds are freely available, cacti are easily grown in the living room - even during prohibition, so imagine what it would be like if we didn't get prosecuted for cultivating a few plants in the privacy of our own homes. I don't think the legality is as much of an issue for me as what happens to you should you get caught, which should be nothing.


Legalizing drugs does not mean they are legal to grow at home..in fact legalization of cannabis could mean the opposite. You are right though you can already grow these things at home without anyone suspecting them to be much of anything.
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#10 Posted : 2/8/2012 3:02:52 AM

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Horray Very happy I had already read about the Psilocybin study, but this last article just makes me smile.

EDIT: Guys, your so damn fast with your replies!
I think that the fact that the government admits to have been wrong about drugs, it's already a great thing. It will help to change the prospective of the narrow minded. And anyway, like Purges said, people will continue doing what they have always done.
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#11 Posted : 2/8/2012 12:03:32 PM

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Jamie - I agree that legalisation does not necessarily mean that cannabis will become freely available, BUT once it is recognised for its plethora of uses and health benefits (if used correctly) and introduced into the common pharmacopiea once again then it will become much more widely accepted by the general public that continue to be hoodwinked by the sad state of affairs that are currently imposed on us. Anyone could go to their doctor and say they are suffering from stress or a lack of sleep and could be prescribed cannabis as a natural alternative to the rather horrible substances such as diphenhydramine that are commonly available now.

Just this morning I was reading this: Essex post article - the guy had his door smashed in in the early morning by several police officers while he was still in bed and his house raided, only for them to find a grinder and some papers and nothing else. Absolute madness and a complete waste of police resources. This is not the kind of society I want to be a part of.


Dante - Yes these things are small glimmerings of hope for us, and those who may benefit from these medecines but are afraid of the law. We are starting to make baby steps in the right direction, and this is the time for us to turn up the heat and really get the ball rolling. It is great that we can still do these things on the sly, yes, but it marginalises many people. We could either lurk in the shadows for the rest of our lives, or work towards an environment where real civil liberty is encouraged. I know which I choose.
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#12 Posted : 2/8/2012 1:43:35 PM

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Purges, Im with you. I think we must support this and other causes, it's our duty as human being. I also believe though, that we shouldn't get too much involved with the governments. They are archaic systems, which hopefully will disappear soon.
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#13 Posted : 2/8/2012 2:37:49 PM

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Governments will fight with everything they've got to hold onto power. I don't see that happening soon, we must just erode their control with small victories such as this.
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#14 Posted : 2/8/2012 3:16:17 PM

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Those shrooms look so damn tasty. This is more good news to throw in the face of any brainwashed fool.
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#15 Posted : 2/8/2012 5:24:38 PM

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Purges wrote:
Governments will fight with everything they've got to hold onto power. I don't see that happening soon, we must just erode their control with small victories such as this.

I agree, but you probably already know that the universe is unpredictable!Wink

Orion wrote:
Those shrooms look so damn tasty. This is more good news to throw in the face of any brainwashed fool.

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