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I AM SWIM
#1 Posted : 2/6/2012 4:41:25 PM

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Okay, so I remember there was a Chemistry Supplier (Legal Solvents), where I was allowed to draw chemical skeletons using a Java application.
It would allow me to add a Cl, or an I, Na, O, H, etc.

Anyway, I was wondering if anyone knew a program or a website that allows this function?

I'm going to draw a molecule skeleton (in paint, :lolSmile, and I would like for you to tell me what it is.
I know benzyme is familiar with Chemistry.
It's supposed to be LSD-25, but I think there is something wrong with it.

If you could tell me; much would be appreciated.

Thanks.

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#2 Posted : 2/6/2012 4:55:24 PM

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I messed up the image.

It should be CON < C2H5, C2H5.

EDIT:

But it looks slightly different from LSD-25 skeleton and ALD-52 skeleton.
There is an oxygen double bond on the skeleton's: LA-111 (Ergine), ALD-52, and LSD-25...
And I'm really not sure what the two C2H5's bonded to CON do..

Overall, it looks very similar. Perhaps it's an LSD analogue/derivative?
 
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#3 Posted : 2/6/2012 5:13:24 PM

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that would be the diethyl group bound to the amide nitrogen
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#4 Posted : 2/6/2012 5:32:12 PM

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Is there a good book or web based resource one could use to self-educate on this subject?

I wonder how much good it would do without a lab, though.
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#5 Posted : 2/6/2012 5:44:10 PM

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organic chemistry, by Carey.
check library.nu
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#6 Posted : 2/6/2012 6:53:01 PM

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benzyme wrote:
organic chemistry, by Carey.
check library.nu


Is that book self contained, or would I need expertise in, say, chemistry?

Tried to load the preview on amazon to browse it a bit, but it keeps crashing the browser.

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#7 Posted : 2/6/2012 7:17:48 PM

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that book is a standard text for org 1 and 2.
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#8 Posted : 2/6/2012 7:29:56 PM

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So I've noticed, but since you already recommended it in a context of self education, my other question was whether all one needs to understand the material within is contained in the book, or do you need knowledge in other areas as well.
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#9 Posted : 2/6/2012 7:49:49 PM

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org chem may as well be its own discipline, because it's primarily about structure, electron flow, and proton shifts.
it's not quite like general chem 1 and 2, which are math-intensive and deal with reaction equilibria and stoichiometry. org chem is more about conceptualization of structures and structural changes of organic molecules
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#10 Posted : 2/6/2012 9:21:09 PM

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In my experience, Wade's good too if you want to start from zero. That's what I used and it's perfectly reasonable for self-studying. Having said that, I'm afraid that you might be disappointed. You will not "understand" LSD by studying these books.

Anyway, I don't know what's your goal. The difficult problems at the end of the chapters are at least entertaining.
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#11 Posted : 3/7/2012 5:42:03 AM
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I recommend getting some free-ware for molecule drawing. It's much more clear and shows functional groups a lot easier. Also easier to incorporate the stereo-chemistry for chiral molecules, without being an artist. Marvin Sketch has done me wonders under the recommendation of Benzyme Smile.

It looks like a skeletal structure of LSD. Amides can be more easily depicted by drawing the double bond oxygen rather then writing CO.

Like in this picture Smile(hopefully it is not too big)


Check half-priced/used book stores for old books they can usually be found for a good price there, if the e-book thing is hard for you. There are some really great organic text's out there, it's a course where clear drawings and well laid out information is important. You may feel tempted to skim read, but with organic, it's best to start from the beginning and go all the way up. Chemistry is a wonderful art, I hope you decide to explore further into it Smile.
 
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#12 Posted : 3/7/2012 6:41:06 AM

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Marvin Sketch has done me wonders


I'll second that, MarvinSketch is a handy tool. Especially if you don't want to work out IUPAC names of heavily-substituted multiple-ring structures with several chiral centers the old-fashioned way.

I also like that you can save images of the structures in scalable vector graphic format.
 
 
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