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Mindlusion
#1 Posted : 1/26/2012 2:45:39 PM

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Dosage
5 blotter (est. 400ug) Lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) ROA: sublingual
200mg Methoxetamine (MXE) ROA: intrarectal and intramuscular
25mg 5-methoxy-dimethyltryptamine (5-Meo-DMT) ROA: vaporized
50-100mg* N,N-dimethyltryptamine (N,N-DMT) ROA: smoked
Diethyl Ether ROA: inhaled

*estimated guess.

!!!DISCLAMER: This was during a very intense and strange time in my life. The doses and combinations I consumed were EXTREMELY excessive (Very large dissociative tolerance). At this time, I am grateful for this particular experience, it was sobering, if anything. I would like to make it VERY clear that one should NOT consume these doses or use this risky ROA. You will likely end up like I am today.


Administration
10:45pm
(T + 0:00)
5 hits of blotter acid are place under tongue, and I watch a continue watching the animated movie Heavy Metal.

(T + 1:30)
The movie had ended, and the LSD I had taken had fully stabilized into a trip, This was quite a large dose, there was a bit of unsettling of my mind coming up to this, I had made it my mission to now inject the dissociatives, as defense against the difficulty of the come up with the LSD within my own mind.

(T + 1:45) 200mg (MXE) ingested
The prepared dosages 100mg (MXE) was administered rectally, soon following the intramuscular injection of another 100mg (MXE) was administered to my left deltoid muscle.

Now IM injections are easier said then done on 5 hits of LSD. Which consisted of ritualistic LSD ether dancing and repeated over the top antiseptic technique.

(T + 3:45*)
I exit the M-hole. What a waste of two hours, really, I don't know why I love these dissociatives so much.
When I exited the M-hole I was urinating in the laundry room sink, I was doing this to break the cycle [In the M-HOLE i was the surface of the water inside the back up pump, the water that just gets pushed back, and forth, up, and down, all night long, well, I was that, or maybe its just my analogy because I as I was exiting the hole I was urinating into this back up drain.]

Exiting the hole, coming back to reality, I feel my LSD trip has truly started, but there is one big problem, I have misplaced my bong. As of now I am writing this I still don't know where my bong went, BUT, because I was missing it made me improvise, and made for quite an experience.

(T + 4:45*) 25mg 5-Meo-DMT
A capsule containing a pre-weighed dose of 25mg 5-Meo-DMT is spread out inside a test tube.
With crazy LSD antics, I ended up finally vaporizing some 5-Meo-DMT with a torch, (I was looking for my bong)

I spread this dose out a lot, it was very warm, euphoric, but I did not reach the level I was seeking with it. [Like with combined N,N-DMT and LSD]

(T + 5:30)
I'm starting to get a little frustrated, because I couldnt find my bong, and I hadn't got a good dose of trytpamines yet.
In search of a device to smoke DMT out of, as I had plenty DMT in the form of 50/50 freebase to blue lotus leaf. I just needed something to smoke it out of.
I had attempted the earlier test tube method, but that didnt bring that utter transforming LSDMT I was looking for.

SO, with a little searching, I find one of my old home made pipes, A long wooden one, made from a thin tree branch and a 12" drill bit. A sort of leprechaun or gandalf style pipe.

Now, On LSD... Style, is everything. I was well fitted, classy, an extra long benson and hedges cigarette on ear, music in check, Dr. Nogatco. Ego boosted. I filled the pipe to the brim with enhanced leaf (~100mg of DMT) partly, because I did not know how well this pipe would hold up. So I begin smoking, and realize, this is a wooden pipe, I should be outside, so I open my back door and walk up these concrete steps, check out the earth in full LSDMT STYLE! this was it! Transformation. I bounce back down the stairs, in wonky style, and enter the room marveling at the amazing stylish pipe, and the incredibly lucid transforming surroundings around me, nothing is as unique and powerfully visual as LSDMT.

(T + 6:00)

So I'm back out on the concrete steps, with the big long pipe, to get another dose of DMT. I take one puff, and obviously, the DMT had melted and concentrated into that one hit. As I exhale, I get that terrible feeling that something very big is coming... I had taken too much, quickly I turn around to come downstairs back inside... But I don't have enough time, And... CRASH I fall down the stairs mid-breakthrough.

Things got very intense. I was being viciously attacked by the DMT transformations, I was seriously worried, I thought I had sustained a serious head injury, broken my neck, and was experiencing brain death.

I had experienced a breakthrough to the point of near death before, but I had never experienced this after falling down a set of concrete stairs.

It culminated to a point, everything, the entire universe, all being, had condensed down to one thing. I was hanging on to a single thread of life, if there was a binary code of only one number, I was that 1, and the entire universe was that 1. And it was flickering between 1 and 0. I really wanted it to stay at 1. I wanted us to live.

I am yelling STOP, loudly, repeatedly. And, it didn't help. And that confused me.
I was alone, I had no sitter, I was terrified. I had thought this was going to be a serious incident, someone was going to find me in serious condition or dead at the foot of the stairs.

The flickering stayed at 1.
and slowly, the 1 became many, and things were reconstructed. The hyperspacial transformational chaos declines, and I am lying at the foot of the stairs. I am alive. Cold. I must escape the cold. I make my first purposeful movement, reach for the door, (-20*C weather outside) close it and get back on my feet.

I seem to have injured my foot and knee, but can walk ok.
I didn't break any bones, but I broke the big long leprechaun pipe. Cigarette lost. I scramble to pick up the pieces, its almost pitiful. Funny how I was riding high earlier, now, im crushed.

I finally make it back, put everything away and lie down on the couch. Almost laughing. Happy to be alive. I get some sleep.
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Purges
#2 Posted : 1/26/2012 2:54:22 PM

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Wow that sounds like an intense journey dude! I am glad you didn't harm yourself too much, it could have been a lot worse, particularly at -20c!!! Shocked
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#3 Posted : 1/26/2012 3:41:35 PM

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Like Purges said... you're a lucky man. Lying there broken and sinking into hypothermia would have been a terrible waste. Definitely need to be careful to be planted somewhere sturdy when you blast off with breakthrough doses. And ether? That is even sillier to do standing up than a double nitrous hit.

It seems that any one of the doses you describe would be enough for a normal person to have a very transformative experience.

Perhaps you might want to consider why you are such a hard nut to crack. Perhaps taking much smaller doses and meditating with them to increase the effect might be a good move... rather than just upping doses. Get yourself a light & sound machine, try darkrooming (or a sensory deprivation tank if you can find one)... a warm bath in a pitch black room can turn a mild trip full on. (Be careful though, you don't want to overdo it and go falling around in your bathroom... tiles and blacking out don't mix very well.)

One should be able to enter seventh heaven with only 200mcgs of LSD and a few 15mg boosters of spice. MXE can be very amazing with only 50-75mg orally. In fact, noobs should only take 25mg to start... and even that only after allergy testing and confirming that you didn't get some mislabeled or mixed up RC. Even fairly reputable vendors have made some mistakes with that in recent memory. One comes to mind that was selling something that seemed to be mixed with 3-meo-PCP. Not sure why they would do that, but perhaps the batch was kind of weak, and they wanted to make sure people got off. Needless to say that stuff could kick butt at pretty low doses and seemed to last for days... at least you would wake up the next day still disso'd.

Anyway, you are young, and thankfully not very breakable yet. Take care my brother, though.
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#4 Posted : 1/26/2012 4:47:25 PM

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Mind, I love you dearly, but you make me worry for your health and safety almost every single time we talk.
Please take care. <3 That sounds like a ridiculous trip and I wish I could have been there to stop you from FALLING DOWN THE GOD DAMN STAIRS.
beautiful idiot. <3
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Mindlusion
#5 Posted : 1/26/2012 5:39:06 PM

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Thank you all for your input, yes I am aware that these doses were a tad excessive, I tend to push myself a little too far when I take a large dose of LSD.

Believe me, if anyone has learned anything from this experience, its this guy Very happy I can vouch for my future experiences, they will not include a lot of these things!

--

Also, I wasn't sure I should have posted this report for a couple reasons, one being, it is a bit embarrassing, and two, the dosages described don't set a good example for other viewers, especially the MXE dose, I do have a large tolerance to dissociatives, and the issue was I had sworn off them for a while, but jumped back in quite heavily last night. Now obviously, I have a lot of thinking to do.

Basically, if someone thinks this experience report doesn't belong here, or perhaps I should alter it in some way, I will happily.
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#6 Posted : 1/26/2012 6:16:37 PM

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lsdmxedmt is an awesome combo although i haven´t pushed it anywere close to your dosages.

The times ive done it´s been 1hit of cid with a pinch of mex to feel the dissio effect.

How was the m-hole on acid? i would guess it´s very visual compared to the usual grey?
 
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#7 Posted : 1/26/2012 7:06:15 PM

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@ Mindillusion

I would leave it up and not change anything... unless you want to add a disclaimer, but your last post was already that to some degree. I think all trip reports are valuable no matter how ill-advised the trip was. (Yours wasn't ill-advised in my opinion, just a bit excessive and not careful enough vis a vis the very real physical dangers at hand.)

I'm certainly not one to discourage people from heroic doses if they have done the groundwork and worked up to them. Some people can even benefit from jumping in with both feet right into the deep end, but I am of a mind that there is no rush with this stuff. You have your whole life to pierce the highest veils and burn like a comet. No need to burn out early by being overly eager.

IMHO, people should go to their comfort zone and maybe push it a little bit at a time... this way, the ability to process and assimilate is enhanced. Often times taking too much is not even better or more intense because the mind rebels and blacks out much of the experience. Recall can dwindle down to nothing, and you may even frustrate or annoy any guides or helpers you may have on your team.

My experience is that the amount that one takes is not the only (or even main) factor in how high one gets. This seems counter intuitive, and many of my strict materialist buddies might beg to differ... but I find that you can take huge doses and get very negligible results and you can take really small micro doses and go balls to the wall. It is partially a matter of your readiness, and how well you have assimilated your last few teachings. I won't go and say that the medicines (both natural and chemical) have a conscious spirit... but there is a reason that shamans have always talked about it in those terms. If you don't respect mescalito (or whatever) he might decide to show you zilch next time around. People regularly take impressive doses of Ayahuasca only to find that the experience is sub-threshold or ejects them early.

Feel free to disagree, everyone. This is just my opinion... gleaned from decades of journeying, but my opinion nonetheless.

Meditation is an essential skill for psychonauts. Many would say it is an optional accessory, or a nice addition... I reiterate, IMO it is absolutely essential. If your mind is untrained, the amount that you can benefit from entheogens is incredibly diminished.
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#8 Posted : 1/27/2012 7:50:47 PM

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SHroomtroll wrote:
How was the m-hole on acid? i would guess it´s very visual compared to the usual grey?
MXE + LSD can be astounding. Add in some DMT and you might accidentally rapture up... hehehe.

While L does indeed add some color and electricity to the MXE experience, I wouldn't say that the M-Hole (or even lower level MXE experiences) are grey. Not for this cosmic kitty anyway. It inevitably provides full color vivid visuals of both the disso-dimensional space (similar to DXM) as well as the more hypnogogic imagery style (like those visuals you get when you drift off to sleep).

Main factor in getting the most out of any disso is to spend enough time in a very dark (pitch black is ideal) environment. Disso's tend not to shine in well lit environs. You may get some euphoria and some disso mindstates, but the visuals need darkness to manifest. Seriously. Often, you can feel completely sober and baselined, only to go into a dark space and find that you are still tripping really hard.

I would go so far as to say that if you have never experienced darkness while dissociated, you have never really experienced dissos. It is that stark. Dissos are notoriously inversely proportional when talking about light vs. hallucinations. They can even be light phobic at higher doses. The only real exception to this rule is light & sound machines. The flashing lights, isochronic tones & binaural beats can sweep you into totally transcendental mindstates when dissociated. The hallucinations generated this way are really over the top. Trust me.

The last thing I will say about having grey experiences with any hallucinogen is that sometimes your mind seems to run out of brainfood, or your mind energy just winds down. There is a curious inner light source that illuminates your mind visions, and it can grow dim if you don't have the proper nutrition, aren't breathing deeply enough, or haven't trained your mind to generate it. A good remedy for dim or murky visions is a good B-complex multi with a healthy dose of C. Throw in some phosphatidyl serine, choline, inositol... even a dose of lecithin will do... maybe some nootropics (GABA can bring you down a bit, but doesn't cancel the trip... merely clears the mind a bit.). Juice up some veggies. Take some superfoods.

Whatever you do, don't resign yourself to a lackluster trip. Get up and boost that sucker... then go take a bath in a pitch black room. You won't be disappointed. IME people are upping dosages and wasting a lot of material because they don't know these simple truths.
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#9 Posted : 1/27/2012 8:23:28 PM

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yea dissociatives are not that visually striking, in the light at least, but I could also say you haven't truly experienced a dissociative UNLESS you have done it in bright lighting as well.
Believe me, I do think darkness is ideal for dissociatives, but bright light is a whole new scenario, at the right dose of course. but I have experienced both, many many times, not just high doses either, at a lot of different doses.

Some of my favorite environments are, in a room with the lights off, that contains many electronic devices (the LEDS on the machines are fantastic visually in absolute darkness) Or in absolute darkness in my bathroom, with the bathtub, or any room whatsoever with the lights ON.)

It is extremely strange. It is very hard to talk about the hole with words, its very hard to simply remember it!

What I like most about combining psychedelics like LSD and DMT with dissociatives, is it allows for a more memorable, and easier to remember experience.

IME, I'm just saying, I don't doubt anyone elses experience with MXE, but I only truly experienced what I would call the 'M-Hole' only after extremely large rectal doses ~150mg, or an intramuscular dose. This was even before I had a tolerance, now with a tolerance, for me to hole I must combine these two dosages.

The best way I can explain the actual hole, is something like, a new reality, that Ive been forced into, It feels absolutely WRONG, but it works, and I can function in it, its almost a struggle to survive here.

On LSD, the experience is practically the same, at least the peak of the hole, but the come up and come down are much altered. LSD-wise.
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#10 Posted : 1/27/2012 8:39:36 PM

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@ Mindillusion

I would leave it up and not change anything... unless you want to add a disclaimer, but your last post was already that to some degree. I think all trip reports are valuable no matter how ill-advised the trip was. (Yours wasn't ill-advised in my opinion, just a bit excessive and not careful enough vis a vis the very real physical dangers at hand.)

I'm certainly not one to discourage people from heroic doses if they have done the groundwork and worked up to them. Some people can even benefit from jumping in with both feet right into the deep end, but I am of a mind that there is no rush with this stuff. You have your whole life to pierce the highest veils and burn like a comet. No need to burn out early by being overly eager.

IMHO, people should go to their comfort zone and maybe push it a little bit at a time... this way, the ability to process and assimilate is enhanced. Often times taking too much is not even better or more intense because the mind rebels and blacks out much of the experience. Recall can dwindle down to nothing, and you may even frustrate or annoy any guides or helpers you may have on your team.

My experience is that the amount that one takes is not the only (or even main) factor in how high one gets. This seems counter intuitive, and many of my strict materialist buddies might beg to differ... but I find that you can take huge doses and get very negligible results and you can take really small micro doses and go balls to the wall. It is partially a matter of your readiness, and how well you have assimilated your last few teachings. I won't go and say that the medicines (both natural and chemical) have a conscious spirit... but there is a reason that shamans have always talked about it in those terms. If you don't respect mescalito (or whatever) he might decide to show you zilch next time around. People regularly take impressive doses of Ayahuasca only to find that the experience is sub-threshold or ejects them early.

Feel free to disagree, everyone. This is just my opinion... gleaned from decades of journeying, but my opinion nonetheless.

Meditation is an essential skill for psychonauts. Many would say it is an optional accessory, or a nice addition... I reiterate, IMO it is absolutely essential. If your mind is untrained, the amount that you can benefit from entheogens is incredibly diminished.


I perceive much wisdom in your post. Thanks a lot for sharing your opinions and experiences. For me, the beauty of maintaining a disciplined meditation practice is that it reaches out and sheds light on all aspects of life, not just the direct experience of the entheogenic state. The mystery of life offers me lessons every day, lessons that are just as important to integrate as those offered by transcendent experiences. Through meditation I am able to grow and develop a relationship with my true Self. Therefore, not only do I agree that meditation is an essential skill for psychonauts, I believe it is the ultimate foundation on which to launch an exploration of the Self and pursue growth of the soul.

My intermittent laziness and slacking also provides an opportunity to practice perseverance Pleased

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#11 Posted : 1/30/2012 8:01:44 AM

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When i say grey i don´t mean anything bad or negative, the visuals of mxe is just very colorless for me, sure sometimes they can sparkle abit but most of the time it´s black and white and maybe some dark yellows and greens.

lsd does bring out alot of mxe or the other way around maybe, ive never dosed more than 30mg of mex while on acid and even that smashed me very very hard to the point of ego death.

that was on a medium dose of acid and 30mg does not do very much for me othervice, slight dissio effects.

 
 
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