Ketamine is used clinically as a general anesthetic. It is considered a "gentle" anesthetic and is often given to children and elderly people. Its psychedelic characteristics were discovered after a large number of recipients reported "reemergence" experiences while coming out of the anesthesia. Further experiments showed that a dose much smaller than the anesthetic dose produces a psychedelic experience of incredible intensity.



Not sure so I ecplored the internet and seen that of this compound does contain psychedelic compounds and it indeed does, so I hope it is ok to post this here, If not than I dont mind if the MODS remove this link.

I know give you the %rugs inc. episode aired last night/subject ketamine. http://youtu.be/r4Nze_UTUL4

Thank you

Hey Egokiller thanks for the link I love Natgeo and drugs! I hardly ever watch tv so its nice to watch what I like on the net while still gaining knowledge!

I cant watch the vid on my phone but ill check it out next time im at a pc. I always seen ket referred to as a disassociative and certainly my experiences with it were disassociative in nature and bore no resemblance to psychedelics, although my ketamine experiences are pretty hazy since ive always been wasted on alcohol when ive took it. Even if it does fall into the catagory of psychedelic I think ill still think of it as a disso.

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Thanks for the link. I don't have cable TV so no Nat-Geo. Watching on-line is the only way I get to see this stuff.

ya nat geo isn't to accurate. Ket is a dissociative not a psychadelic. most people confuse psychadelic and hallucinogen but hallucinogens are split into two categories; psycahdelics (wich submerge you into the body) and dissociateives (which remove you from the body.
on a side note there are more criteria for dissociatives and psychadelics I just view them as such

Classifications for different drugs is always kind of fuzzy.

IMO, dissociative = psychedelic + opiate/anasthetic, and empathogenic = psychedelic + stimulant.

Though I haven't tried it, I am sure there aspects of both to psychedelia and anesthesia to K. Dissociative is a term not nearly as widely known as the other two, so they just use what words people are familiar with.

P.S. Kind of unrelated, but can you just eat ket? That seems much safer than insufflation/injection.

I watched this last night. I was suprised to here that it is replacing ecstasy in the rave scene. i have only done K once at a house(thank god!). I was seeing people walk past me 20 minutes after they had actually walked past me! When i got up to walk, it was with baby steps and a little help from a friend....I couldn't imagine trying to dance and be social off this stuff. I may have done .5g-.75g in about 5-10 minutes

In my experience, ketamine acted primarily as a tranquilizer with psychedelic side effects. I'd tried small lines of it in the past- tenth of a gram or less- and was never impressed. Not my thing; I'd rather smoke weed if I want a mild euphoria. Then I started hanging out with this ketamine warrior dude. Our first trip together I took about a quarter gram, and found myself bordering on that familiar space that I've been to so many times on LSD or shrooms. Later that night I tried maybe a third of a gram, sat in front of one of my trippier paintings (the top one that I posted in the recent "any art from LSD, shrooms etc" topic) and had a much stronger experience, remembered eternity, all that... About equivalent to 600mics of LSD- but way shorter, less than an hour.

On a later visit I twice took 3/4gram (through the nose- not comfortable with needles) and sat in front of some really great trip videos. These were both absolute top quality peak trips, about 90 min each. Total physical euphoria. You talk like a drunk, can't walk or really even crawl, just sort of flop around. Not much in the way of closed-eye visuals (which I consider extremely important, so that was a downside) making the videos sort of necessary. Projected them, wall-size. Lovely, warm, seductive, apparently punishment-free evening.

One of the most striking things about the experience was the next day, though, when I felt this sort of tug... To do it again ASAP. Like a crackhead thing, and it made me uncomfortable, haven't done it again since. Turns out that my friend who turned me on to its true potential has a raging addiction- 2g per night, by injection. Won't take a day off, can't leave home without it, even flies with it. In my mind, that's the definition of addiction. I'm one of those people who lives by the storyline that I'm not a druggie, I'm a psychedelic researcher. And pothead. Oh well, maybe I'm a bit of a hypocrite.


Anyway, K: my two cent's worth.

An interesting psychedelic to be sure. Psychedelic maybe not in a hallucinatory sense, although I get visual alterations that remind me of LSD or mushrooms on doses of ketamine as small as 70mg.

definitely a mental psychedelic, almost entheogenic in my eyes. Definitely has a compulsive redose factor, quite addictive. But all demons can be exercised, and as far as the addiction + damage potential to the potential gains, as long as you do less than a quarter gram in a night and don't do it more than say..twice a week (and not redosing while you're tripping on it), but using it intentionally as a psychological or recreational tool, then you're good to go..

I think ketamine is a profound psychedelic in the sense of producing altered states of awareness and perceptual disturbances, plus it can cause psychotomimetic features in some users; in terms of hallucinatory effects its lacking the detail and clarity of the more classic psychedelics.IME, the IM route is the way forward to really experience this compounds' power.

OOPS, people need to be made aware of the dangers of overdoing the K, losing a bladder, and self catheter use doesn't sound like fun, nor does losing a kidney.

K is indeed a powerful psychedelic it cant really be questioned.

Sadly ,it's addict-ability and the long (and short) term damage far out weigh it's good points.

(it's definitely not replacing Ecstasy in the rave scene either for what it's worth. some people opt for one or the other or both )

The documentary is quite interesting and actually shows drug use from ALL sides. Psychonauts, users, addicts, former addicts, law enforcement, doctors. It shows the makers did their research well and tried to make a documentary that doesn't pick sides. In my opinion, they succeeded quite well in that. They tipped that OD'ing is difficult but that the long term effects are destructive.

However, the way the documentary ends, with the conclusion of the Canadian law enforcement officer stating that purchasing drugs from these people will sustain their criminal lifestyle that includes slavery, human trafficking, armed attacks, etc is a bit wrong. Why? Because banning these drugs WILL actually sustain this lifestyle. Remove these drugs from being illegal and the whole market changes. Too bad most people are incapable of understanding that.

Nice documentary, thanks for sharing! Thankfully I have never been that into K, high or low dose, I often used it after raves while coming down from MDMA which was a very euphoric combo, but always found it had quite a dark sinister edge to it that i couldn't quite get along with. Now if I want to go deep into my mind I find nothing better than a spot of DMT



Yes you can, but it is also a direct line to the gut / urinary tract, which will speed up the risk of it eating your guts etc - or so I understand it. Definitely something to be done very occasionally if at all...

There is a certain class of psychedelic drugs that are called 'dissociatives'. I would translate that word into: 'being able to produce a psychedelic state by causing sedative/anasthaetic effects that induce a sort of sensory deprivation'....a loosened, 'dissociated' mind.

I personally find the effects of the so-called 'classic hallucinogens' of wich DMT, mescaline and LSD are the most well-known familymembers, much more interesting and enjoyable. They don´t sedate the mind and enable you much more, to counsciously experience the psychedelic state.

Ketamine falls into the category of NMDA-antagonists, wich is a very powerfull group of dissociative drugs.
NO2 is another drug that falls into this category, as well as DXM.

Salvia is a dissociative drug as well, but works through an entirely different mechanism, via the kappa-opioid receptor, and fly-agaric wich is also a dissociative drug, works via GABA, wich is the main receptor affected by alcohol, GHB and benzodiazepines.

In my view, cannabis is also a dissociative drug, though very mildly in moderate amounts.

Ibogaine is a substance however, that is both a hallucinogenic as a dissociative. It´s as well an NMDA-antagonist as a kappa-opioid agonist like salvia, a GABA agonist, and it has features of classic hallucinogens.

Many people find that NMDA-antagonists have a very calming effect and that they take-away your cares, like opiates do.

Personally though, they always remind me of being knocked-out for surgery and i have very strong 'hospital-associations' with them.

-Thing i wonder is does ket cause less "bladder syndrome" injected than oral, and then naturally ask "what about methoxetamine, does this damage the bladder"?

I would imagine that K would do a number on your veins / muscle tissue if repeatedly administered via IV / IM, the documentary mentioned a risk of collapsed veins similar to heroin use which is also worruing

As for MXE, well, we'll have to wait and see

When I was younger I could get really pure K at a ridiculously cheap price in my town, right out of the vial stuff.

I did it quite a few times with a group of friends because of the ease of getting it, and also because of it's short duration, so you could be sober after 20 min. I only felt dissasociative effects at this level (~50-75mg per line), and a slight mood lift, and the fuzzy head feeling like from MDMA.

Apart from this one time, when it was just me and a friend in his basement, and we had ~350mg each in big lines. Then I had no doubt whatsoever that it wasn't just a dissasociative. The walls melted away, and the whole room was bathed in a deep purple. I felt like I was floating around the room, yet I felt completely still, it felt like a spatial dimension had been added. Sounds were distant, and I had a strong sense of deja vu with every event.

Would like to hear if people have had similar experiences!

I absolutely HATE it when they freeze frame and flashes words like 'THE ADDICT' and it all goes black and white, and theres a metal scraping sound in the background. Audio/visual suggestive brainwashing propaganda sh*t. I'll follow this to the end but I feel I'm being fed some BS in there...

And they chose the most stereotypical looking.... ah forget it....