1: You're probably not alone.

2: Peers who you see as different are simply versions of you who haven't had the same experiences, peers you see as childish are versions of you who haven't come to the same realizations. People are usually interested in stuff like this, see if you can share the love! (so to speak)

I have often desired a decent intellectual conversation far more than companionship from the opposite sex. I have literally spent years without having a decent conversation with anyone. The maturity of the current population all the way up to 35-40 is very young in mindset. It's not just you it's a social trend that has taken hold across America possibly the world.

^yup and this is why I dont really agree with the comments saying that "you have far more in common with these people than you know" etc..

I do feel that my prefered level of discussion is deeper etc than what most people get into. I dont feel that is elitist in any way, it is just the way it is. I would not be on sites like this were it not this way. I dont see any point in trying to be so humble about it..most people are like stupid robots in my view. They dont HAVE to be this way and have the capacity for far more IMO..which is what makes it so irritating and perplexing at the same time.

If I was not this way I would not be where I am, I would not have met the people I have met..I would not have met my gf etc..I dont regret being on the outside of the mainstream, other than that the mainstream brings everything else down with it..so I think it is the ones on the outside who have to change the mainstream into something that we would fit into..and not the other way around.

Vovin, I think that's so tragic as you have tremendous wisdom to share - although we have never had exchanged dialogue with one another, I can honestly say that you are easily one of my favourite posters here. I think your posts are insightful, always well balanced and well articulated and always thoroughly enjoyable to read.

In regards to the topic at hand, a lot of 'psychedelic people' tend to feel this way. I'm not sure if this is because of the psychedelics or because psychedelics attract these sort of people; intelligent people who have no interest in chronic time/life wasting and an intolerance to asinine pop culture. If the latter is the case, I certainly think psychedelics exacerbate this divide.

I do agree with Eden however:



No one is saying that you are elitist or contemptuous, but an obsessive awareness can lead to an increased divide and further alienation.

Although people can appear to be childish and immature (idiotic even) I have found that when you look past this superficial identity everyone projects, you will see that we all have the same drives despite different approaches.

To be happy, to be cared for, to be noticed, to be accepted, to be safe and to be loved.

This belief bothers me greatly.

"I don't see a point in trying to be humble about it, most peopale are just weaklings who refuse to stand up for themselves in my view."

Same belief, different trait seen as superior, and you have the classic bully.

Humility leads to true tolerance.

I debate with my couch. In my mind call it madness but those who I have met in life I symbolize and imagine talking to them. It is in this way I can also alter my perspective. In things of compassion when my redneck hillbilly attitude overrides my reason I ask myself what would jenny say. Thne I simply imagine a conversation we would have and what advice she would give me.

This. I personally saw the majority of my personal growth begin when I got off my high horse and realized I was as ignorant as everyone else. I was lucky enough to have had the right catalysts around me that allowed me to achieve my current perspective. Now, instead of looking down on those stuck in regular society, I do my best to remember when I was in their place and try to help them grow, the same way others helped me grow.

An arrogant teacher, even if accurate in their knowledge, is a poor teacher in my opinion. What are you teaching those around you?

dude, go find the stoner chem students XD

It surely is something to definitely take advantage of, but not to be smug with or cocky, b/c we are no more human than one another.

You don't have to be arrogant about it...the majority of people in my country are complicit in and silent about the murder, rape, terrorization and exploitation of vast swathes of this planet's population as well as the planet itself. This isn't a metaphor or some polite little parable...this is an indisputable and horrific fact.

For those of you so bothered by jamie's statement, look at the population polls of German citizens, post-WWII. After the war had been over for ten years, twenty years and even longer, the vast majority of the German populace indicated that not only would they not have been involved in any anti-Nazi resistance movement/culture, but that they also felt it was wrong to violently resist the Nazi regime through underground, militant organization or were unsure of whether or not it would have been morally acceptable to engage in violent resistance.

Today, America sends drones into sovereign nations to attack and spy on their populaces, strips away rights guaranteed by the constitution from its citizenry and demolishes the Earth without so much as a "Please...stop?" from the vast majority of the populace (70%+? 80%+? 85%+? 90%+?). People are intentionally ignorant, unaware and lazy.

Are they human beings? Sure. Am I a human being? Sure. Can I see and appreciate and love the fact that we're all humans experiencing this random and mysterious phenomenon called "life?" Sure. However, this doesn't mean the horrors and atrocities that these people knowingly or unknowingly allow to happen suddenly go away or become less horrific.

Could a slight tweak to jamie's words be those of a bully...perhaps. Could someone remind me how similar flea DNA and human DNA are? Seems to me that strong-willed or action-oriented people could just as easily be "heroes" as well as "bullies" and what matters is the environment they're given and the choices they make. Strong-willed, independent people are not bullies by default...in fact...we see these traits as incredibly meritorious when exemplified by our heroes.

I don't think I know everything...I don't think I'm on a high horse...I think I'm out in the streets getting $#!^ done while others watch their fellow human beings and their planet get raped, tortured, exploited and murdered. I can grow, learn, teach and engage in the human mystery while doing this and my contempt for those who know what's going on and refuse to act cannot be tempered by cries of "love is all you need" or "positive visualization will make everything better." As Dave Chappelle said "Fly to Africa and tell one of them starving children 'what's wrong with you?'...Well, what you need to do is visualize some roast beef and mashed potatoes and gravy...No, no, no, no, the problem is you have a bad attitude about starving to death"

I too find myself in a very similar position being in college. I simply go about it with a business-like approach. I am there for a purpose, with a vision in mind. I do connect with some of my classmates because I find many have wonderful personalities, though I know for a fact they could never fathom the perceptions I have. Sometimes I like to sneak some bizarre forms of insight into conversations, at times creating a sense of wonder, but usually just confusion. Let's them know I'm different.

I stay sane because my true friends are those I have known for years and years, many of which are not in school. I seem to live a dualistic lifestyle which creates a balance between operating within society, and living to the delight of my soul.

Snozz, I think you might be misinterpreting some of the perspectives here. The point (at least my point) isn't that you should just accept people as they are and go on living, because (as you pointed out) that obviously isn't working right now.

But you can accept unaware peers as fellow humans, treat them with love and respect, and then fucking make them aware! If you really take a little time to connect with people, it's amazing how much you can show them about what's really going on in the world, and people generally do want to know. IMO it's just as much about fixing the root of the problem, Western awareness, as it is about treating the terrible symptoms.

At my uni, the government and university both pledged financial support if the students could raise a bunch of money for cashew trees in Kenya, both as an economic boost to the region and to combat global warming. Not many people I knew were into it at first, but after really explaining the situation to my friends, they got on board with it, they got their friends on board with it, and we raised a shit-ton of money for the project. Helping change people's awareness on these issues is, IMO, an extremely important thing to be doing right now.

I know that if, a few years back, a really friendly, outgoing, psychedelic guy hadn't given me a weed cookie just because I looked like I needed it, I would probably still be an ignorant American consumer, going about my life and helping my country wreck shit globally. I think you're 100% right that we need to be ACTING, not 'visualizing', and not simple loving. But in my experience, some of the most important action you can take is that of helping people find the right path, and that requires a certain amount of compassion for all those consumer zombies that wander free across the landscape of Western civilization...

Well said, BF, I agree with everything you stated above, but also stand firmly by my earlier words. Your point IS very important, after all, how can we bring about real, meaningful, lasting change if we treat those who are lost, searching or unaware as 'lesser' for their perceived lack of awareness? I think that we would all be better for it if more people handed off the metaphorical weed cookies to those who appear in need...

That being said...we're here...we all see and feel global society tearing itself asunder. Scientists as a whole say that, withe respect to climate change, we are either at or past the point of no return. Time is running out in a very real sense.

I'm happy to take a little time and (politely) let you know that your views are woefully inadequate or are the clear result of consuming corporate propaganda, but if you try to argue against that or explain it away or want to show me things like "capitalism is not an inherently exploitative system." I'm sorry, but I just don't have the time or energy to address the myriad of failings being presented. If people see this or jamie's view as problematic, upsetting or bothersome, I would like them to explain how this view has a greater negative impact on people/society/earth than acknowledging the undeniable fact that we live in a world where many people are "like stupid robots."

It seems almost like you want to force changing people's beliefs with the ultimate goal of a better world.

Is that right?

If that's your intention, I will disagree with you in your methods, even if your goals appear noble.

I do not value universal happiness more than freedom. If someone chooses to live their lives in a selfish manner, that is their right, so long as they do not cause harm or violate the freedoms of other's.

If a country does not ask for help, it should not be given help. If a country asks for help, no country should be forced to provide help.

If you want a utopia, you must convince people to do what is required to obtain it, you can not force them to, and they are not lesser people as long as they refrain from making choices that cause harm.

Anyone who forces their will on others, is someone I consider a problem with the world, regardless of how noble their intentions.

I don't even bother with most people. My girlfriend and I are somewhat introverted, we keep to ourselves and our own pursuits for the most part and personally if I ever wanted to learn something I wouldn't go to collage and pay money for it, I would just use the internet. Why surround yourself with people you cant relate to in the first place?

Some people need to be around other people for whatever reason, I'm not one of them and I love it that way. (aside from the nexus of course witch is my main community portal.)

Nope, it's actually quite wrong. I stepped in to this discussion to say that I agree with jamie's observation that the vast majority of the global populace function as "stupid robots." You and onethousandk, not only disagreed with the statement, but pointed out numerous issues you take with the attitude behind it.

The thing is...the statement is undeniable and we see it in practice on a daily basis. You can protest that all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that the vast majority of people do, have and will continue to exemplify the qualities of vapid drones.

I don't think that many of these people's beliefs can be changed, nor do I have any desire (or the requisite time/energy) to engage with them (as stated in my last post). These swathes of the population will become irrelevant, no matter which road we go forward along; in the current paradigm, they become marginalized, third-world citizens (even in America, we are currently watching the third-worldization of the good ole US of A) who eventually die without anyone in power giving a damn. Alternatively, they'll perish in a widespread ecological catastrophe as the result of climate change...or they'll find themselves with a choice to make as a People's Army forms and the revolution gets underway...or any of a myriad of possibilities.

Point is, I couldn't care less what these people think or do as they are already beyond my general sphere of influence and are therefore of little interest to me as far as their thoughts or beliefs. There are problems and solutions, actors and observers...I know where I stand and am happy to work with others who are awake and aware as well as those who might awake to become aware. Beyond that, I honestly don't care, because as jamie said "most people are like stupid robots" and I don't need to pepper that with niceties just so I can tell myself everything is sunshine and rainbows and love.

Here, take this as an example

Ok, so let's look at stupid Consumer A. All of the products Consumer A owns come at the expense of others. This means that Consumer A's selfishness both causes harm and violates the freedom of others through the wonderful web of globalized capitalism. I would posit that the vast majority of things you would claim to be "merely selfish" are in fact causing clear and present danger to the freedom and safety of people all over the globe...

Im considering not going to college mostly money wise but this does play a minor factor. This society just doesnt seem meant for me (us?) lol

man iv been in uni since september and iv not had a single conversation since then lol its like iv taken a vow of silence. the second i started i felt this very clear "us and other" vibe were i was the other. i dont mind so much, it was the same in college. iv never really had casual friends, iv got a bunch of true brothers, and then a bunch of people i dont know. not one for the middleground

*forgot to mention one of the women that work in my uni (teaching how to use the lazercutter) is actualy an angel fallen from the sky- and shes waring an ozora wristband ;P wish me luck nexus hahahaha