I have come across the oppertunity to acquire Salvinorin A from a varified source.

Universally understood that it is powerfully potent, doses in micrograms.

First question is has anyone found an effective way of getting that proper dose? I read it should be a drop that would fit onto the end of a needle. So would putting it in a syringe and lightly despensing a small drop be sufficient? Other than that i cant think of any other way unless I had thousands of dollars to buy an accurate micrgram scale which i dont.

Then I presume i take it orally, like chewing a quid?

If the dose was right would it be the same as a quid experience? Most likely?

Anyone out there with this knowledge? I am sure this is rare.

I am growing salvia but it will take at least a year for a harvest so I was interested in this faster approach.

From some reports of others experiences, salvia is more like another strange world but closer to ours in ways ( possably also spiritual idk ) and not like dmt where it is more geometric patterns and space / spiritual related, can anyone confirm that?

Because honestly i am apprehensive towards dmt in that it can feel malicious. Maybe that is the same with salvia like many of the videos on youtube where they smoke it but when I did it that wasnt the case, i just had a general warping of my vision. That also might be due to not getting a high enough extract but i did hold in the smoke for a good amount of time. I tried a supposed 30x extract so i dont know. I am not trying to smoke anymore though, its terrible stuff.

There is also this synthetic analogue from salvinorin a :
2-Ethoxymethyl salvinorin B

Wikipedias information on it says it is active at 50 micrograms and has a duration of 3 hours in comparison to salvinorin-a active at 200 micrograms and 30 minute duration.

That would be like the new legal lsd if you could find it, but the experience would definitely be nothing like lsd for sure, it would be hella intense. They say this is the most potent Kappa agonist ( opioid receptor ) found which really could mean it is also the most powerful hallucinogin. Possably rivaling dmt you think?

I dont know just a side subject that seemed worth pointing out. A vary amazing thing.

Well hope someone can help me out. I would also like to hear from anyone who has done salvia by quid without anything else if you would like to leave your thoughts on that.

Thank you everyone.

What you want to do is make a dilution with it.

I'm guessing you will have access to pure crystal (or a a solution) and that you will have a few milligrams worth of material?
If you do then dissolve the material into a set amount of water. And the figure out the amount of water you need to drink to get the dose you want.

You know if you had 1 milligram of material and you dissolved it into 10 ml's of water then 1 ml would be 100 micrograms.

If you are planning to smoke it then I'd probably evaporate the water sized dose onto an inert leaf substance.

I'm personally not a huge fan of Savlia myself, so perhaps others that have more experience will chime in.
Also I have zero experience with the quid method..

in my opinion, just forget it. Especially if you have no experience with salvia you should just stay away from crystal salvinorin. I am dead serious here this is not something you want to play with.

Dry leaf is so so cheap and the plant is soooo easy to grow I would suggest you go one of those routes..growing the plant is preferable..

Playing with something as powerful as salvinorin, potent in microgram ammounts when you dont even know what to expect(reading is pointless it will NEVER help you get a feeling for what this stuff does) is foolish in my opinion and experience. I started with 10x extracts and that was even way too much.

I grow the plant now, use it rarely and dont work with extracts at all..they are completely unnecessay. Quidding some leaves or smoking a few plain leaves is easily all you should need really.

"That would be like the new legal lsd if you could find it, but the experience would definitely be nothing like lsd for sure, it would be hella intense. They say this is the most potent Kappa agonist ( opioid receptor ) found which really could mean it is also the most powerful hallucinogin. Possably rivaling dmt you think?"

Salvinorin A itself already rivals DMT easily, anyone who has ever participated in the true mystery of this plant will not hesitate to tell you that. I would not even be thinking about synthetic analogues of salvinorin B. Get to know the wild woman on her terms, with whole plant before you go jumping off skyscrapers without a parachute..

If that sounds harsh, good I am not trying to kill your buzz here, I am just warning you. I have seen enough people completely loose it on a level that no other psychedelic can match, and that is with just 10x extracts.

If I was to point you in the direction I would say is "right", I would say go quid. Pure salvinorin does not absorb well sublingual anyway, whole plant is better. The whole plant also contains more than just salvinorin A..IMO the true passage into her world lies in a quid in silent darkness. Forget about smoking or smoked reports or people who smoke it and then tell you this or that about salvia..quidding and smoking are just 2 different worlds I have found.

also, just becasue you tried to smoke the leaf, or even "30x" extract before does not mean much. For one thing I would question weather or not you actaully had 30x extract..possible it was not even 5x..shady things go down in the world of salvia extracts.

Reverse tolerance happens with salvia. you have to have experience with it to really understand this..and 1, 2 or 3 times etc does not really qualify as experience IMO..not when it comes to this plant. It is quite common for people to have no effects the first 5 or 6 times etc..then get cocky the next time, smoke it at some party or in an equally stupid setting, freak out in front of everyone and end up depersonalized for the next week. Dont assume that just becasue you smoked it before and just saw wavy visuals or something that you require higher concentrations to get there.

Like Jaime said, be very careful.

I personally am terrified of salvia, and don't (yet) even have intentions to try it at all.

First of all, salvinorin A is not water-soluble, so any method that involves dissolving it in water won’t work.

You can dissolve it in ethanol or acetone, but it doesn’t absorb into the blood stream easily – I’ve taken up to 20mg dissolved in ethanol and it had no effect.

I once tried putting about 10mg in chewing gum, and again, no effects.

I also tried what I estimated to be about 1mg in my GVG, and it worked. The experience was really no different than a smoked extract experience.

I now have about 2g of salvinorin A and really have no intention of using it – extracts are easier to measure.

Smoking salvinorin never did anything for me either. Just scared the crap out of me and made me feel like I was being folded in half. Jamies got the right idea. Get the leaf and chew a quid if anything. That is the only time it seems to be interesting but I've never done it. But you never know, some people like datura and I'd never even try that. Everyone reacts differently to different things. If your attracted to the idea of having a huge stash for cheap, you could probably dilute it with ethanol and evap onto vegetation of your choice. Perhaps even salvia leaves. Not sure how that'd work sublingually though. I read about the first person to extract it, I forget who it was, but I believe they tried the crystal form sublingually and proceeded to get blown away. The rest they say, is history.

The Salvinorin B analogue sounds fascinating. Salvinorin A is incredibly potent, bizarre, relatively abundant, and not strictly speaking a euphoric experience.

That in mind, I think the B analogue would be a wonderful experiment, if you're feeling dashing. As far as dosing, find something that it's very soluble in, and apply it evenly across a sheet of blotter paper. The bigger the sheet, the more precision you have over the dose allotment.

Salvia is not close to our world. At least not in my experience. It's about as far away as you'll get. That's not to say you might not see things in there that remind you of the real world, but then again, I get more eidetic images with DMT that are more closely representative of something from consensual reality than I've ever seen with salvia. With salvia sure, I may be whizzed along the hallways of an elementary school on a conveyor belt as the lockers laugh, but it's nothing like the real world. It sounds like you haven't really had a full DMT experience either because there's a load more to DMT than geometric patterns, space and spiritual phenomena.

If you think DMT is malicious, I haven't personally found this to be the case, but I can tell you that salvia when done right often feels downright sinister. It will take less mercy on you than DMT. Salvia tends to be more dysphoric, more confusing and more dissociative. It sounds like you really haven't gotten a proper taste of either DMT or salvia. I wouldn't turn your back on DMT so quickly either. What kinds of doses have you been taking with DMT, and smoked out of what?

Right. Salvia is wierd. The tryptamines may be "alien" but them aliens are not so different from you and I. Our brains run on tryptamines, I'm not at all speculating as to the nature of the dmt experience nor the true nature of the entities one may encounter during a dmt experience when I say this--them aliens is us.

Salvia (seems to me) utterly belongs with the dissociatives. To call salvia a psychedelic, a hallucinogen or an entheogen--all three terms suggest a relation to psilocybin, lsd, mescaline, the good 'ol amines that we know and love. Rather, I'd say it belongs in the bin with cough medicine and whipped cream propellent and horse tranquilizer.

This just goes to show how we all experience different substances in very different ways.

DMT for me is extremely alien – I have yet to see/experience anything that even remotely resembles anything I’ve ever seen/experienced in consensus reality. I’ve encountered many, many different types of entities, but none of them were comparable to anything I’ve ever seen in this world.

On the other hand, salvia, although extremely strange, always presents itself in recognizable ways: most entities are ordinary human beings. Salvia environments are also often recognizable – circus-like environments, city streets, tidy houses with manicured green lawns, white picket fences, public squares or plazas, sometimes places I’ve seen in consensus reality. And salvia often feels like it is physically very close: a parallel universe just a fraction of a millimeter away from ours in a 4th spatial dimension.

If you compare salvia to horse tranquilizers, then it’s possible you’re using it improperly – maybe too large a dose. Anyone who smokes commercially prepared extracts is rolling the dice with respect to potency – the labeled “X-factor” doesn’t mean much. Grow your own, extract your own, and weigh your doses. You may change your opinion of the plant if you make a commitment of that sort.

Guess the general consensis is not worth it due to difficulty with administration so ill stick with my baby plant and wait till it is ready.

Idk though guys a quid experience from so many people ive read online seem amazing, not looking forward to an awful taste but its managable i suppose.

I'll have to post a report on the experience to confirm this after it happens.

All right thanks everybody.

Recent paper (to which I have no access to upload it here, but methods and results are visible to all), used doses from 0 to 12mg vaporised Salvinorin A on human subjects, and reported no adverse effects, physiologically, nor behaviourally.

I think that paper is our sole evidence (besides the "scary" warning by Siebert), that doses higher than 1mg can not be as extremely dangerous as we previously thought, at least biologically.

http://www.biologicalpsy...%2812%2900545-8/abstract