So the website labworkx-skillet.com has a glass on glass attachment for waterpipes called a Vapor curve also known as a vapor skillet, vapor swing, vapor bell, concentrate smoker, hash bell, oil rig, or bongler if it is a complete set up of a bong or bubbler with this attachment.

It attaches to the glass joint where the bowl would normally go on a bong or bubbler. Shaped to a 45 degree angle or a complete u-turn (90 degree) with a bell at the end. Though clipped to the stem is a titanium wire with a small titanium plate on the end (Ti pad). This is the holder for the vaporized substance most commonly hashish making the pad too small and flat for holding a full dose of dmt.

However labworkx and a few others (aqualabtechnologies, headyglass but cheapest under labworkx) have a modified variety of the Vapor bell by changing out the titanium skillet to a quartz dish that would indeed hold a full dose (60mg) of dmt.

My suggestions on how to actually do the vaporizing is of two ways. The obvious would be to place the 60mgs right onto the dish to start then swing it under the bell and butane torch the bottom until all is vaporized, but this could still lead to be inefficient if it vaporizes too slow. The second option however would be to either have a very small scoopula or cut a bendy straw at the elbow to make the same, scoop 60mg onto it then heat the quartz dish with it under the bell and through the side opening of the glass bell put the scoopula through tapping the powder onto the dish vaporizing it immediately.

My recommendation for a waterpipe to use this with would be one made by lotusglass.com in there section of glass on glass pieces. They have the only sherlock bubbler with an option to attach this vapor bell or you can get the nonbubbler sherlock that is even smaller and only 40$ instead of 100$.

This certainly is the best way in comparison to a ceramic HERBAL vaporizing pipe like the vaporgenie, emphisis on herbal for ground herbs.

I am sure this might upset some of the vaporgenie fans but you cannot deny that this method will vaporizes the dmt all at once without liquid escaping (as with lightbulb vaporization) and without it sifting through the screens necessary for the genie.

This setup on the other hand is even less portable from the vaporgenie though the genie is still some what awkward.

The price also however is steaper then the GVG.

For the Vapor bell with quartz dish upgrade is 140$ with out shipping.

I will have to put up pictures in the next post later tonight or tomorrow because I am on my phone.

Hopefully this becomes another option to consider for you as it has been for me and good luck and peace in your divine molecular travels.

Yeah right

machine costs 5 bucks, never a misfire, never burns + a bic works.

If you're going to vaporize it in this way, I don't see why you wouldn't use a regular freebase pipe (wich works exactly in the same way). I think both would share the same problem though: it is probably hard to vaporize at the good temperature without burning any of the dmt.

www.labworkx-skillet.com isnt a valid link.....

Whenever someone says something like "im sure this is better than the GVG", I always wonder if this person tried the GVG in the first , and my guess here is, probably not

Regardless of what brand the method is from, or if its self built, unless you have some kind of filter to stop the flame and cool down/direct the air efficiently, you're going to run into issues of burning the spice if you arent very careful, and if you already took the first hit and want to go for the second, any method that you need to think too much or worry about details to make it work, is not a good method IMO.

You are "pretty sure" about something you have'nt tested yet? I also doubt that for most users 60mg in the GVG would be needed. ( more like 40mg for a solid breakthrough)

A lot of things beat the skillet out of the gvg... if you don't like the gvg.

Pipes are pipes. So long as it works, it's all about preference.

Endlessness,

I did provide a bad link sorry, it is instead labworx-skillet.com/lws no www and no k.

I also did indeed try the GVG with 12 SCREENS and an accurate dose of 60mg from a milligram scale accuracy to .000 so within 2 to 5 mg variance. When I took the dose I had a butane lighter and I took the first hit slow melting the dmt onto the screens, held that light hit for a count of 5 exhaled then went for the last of it. Held the remainder for a count of 30 and I was off. The lighting was mild as it should be but the experience stopped short of breaking the barrier, only damp vortex of multi colored shapes. I felt highly let down.

However before I had the genie I hastily used a lightbulb vaporizer which did burn the dmt onto the sides of the glass but I believe that this was only because the heating of the bulb was slow allowing convection in the melted liquid. This would be avoided on a vapor bell and skillet because the plate would already be hot and you could immediately put the full dose on it instantly vaporizing the entire content with continual suction of air directly over the top.

Now it is true I haven't tried it yet due to the price and having spent my money else where but if no one else has either then you also can not fully refute it.

My hypothesis on the technique is viable and I do not see a whole in the process.

In regards to the device called the machine. I do understand its function but I am wary of the use of steel wool. Also the same type of process needs to be done as with the vapor genie. It seems flawed.

Well I am not the first person to bring this to light. A similar thread is in the category DMT Administration sub-category smoking and it is one of the first ones on the page. It also contains pictures which I still must provide for this one in a later post.

Other than all this my hope is that some one who has tried this will leave there input on it, if not I will be the first to do so later in the year.

Examples please!

I'm "pretty sure" by now that you have no idea of what you are talking about. Test it, then talk about it.

peace

The “skillet” method you’re talking about heats DMT via conduction – the DMT is heated by a hot glass, metal, or other surface, which is a really lousy way to heat DMT (it’s the same way a lightbulb “vaporizer” works).

The GVG (and the machine) heat DMT via convection – a stream of warm air is passed over and around the DMT. The vapor is smoother and much less likely to burn or decompose.

For DMT, regardless of device, heating via convection is always better than heating via conduction.

A couple things. 12 screens can be more counter productive than 5. As you add more and more screens, they'll start to warp and deform, easily allowing DMT to run right through. As you figured out, that part in the process was flawed, and you'll either need a mesh of some kind or an herb bed or ash bed in addition to a handful of screens to make the GVG effective.

Secondly, you say you used a butane lighter, but what kind of butane lighter was it? The reason I ask is because I went through 3 very expensive butanes that were all incredibly lousy and would malfunction all the time. The reason it turned out why this was is because most butane lighters are not designed to be lit upside down (which is the only way you can light a GVG). As a result, when you try to light them upside down, it completely screws them up. If they're not visibly malfunctioning, they can very well lose their ability to provide the appropriate heat, as well as simply providing trouble getting the flame exactly where it needs to be. The Arc torch lighter solves these problems since it's designed to be lit on any angle. I've never had any problems of any kind with it, and ever since I got it, the GVG went from a nightmare to a dream to use. If you're gonna use the GVG, you gotta use it right, and if you're using it right, then a damp void of colors most likely means that your dose either isn't big enough, or you've got some unnatural tolerance to it.

I have one of these skillets I use for hash oil, and I can say it does work to vaporize some substances, but I doubt it is better than the Glass VG. I have only vaporized 2C-E (I know, guys, I know) on it and it actually worked really well. Definitely would work better than a cheap "oil pipe" for DMT, IMO.

Im with Gibran2 on this- IME methods using conduction can certainly be effective (foil, glass stem) but the vapor produced by convection is consistently smoother.As Global has stated, having an appropriate lighter with the GVG is key to getting it right.40-50mg using a GVG with a flame from an Arc Turbo (or similar) taken in one inhalation is more than sufficient as a dose.

The machine, Eclipse VAAAP, Vapor globe, melted into a bongload, infused into caapi... whatever works for you. So long as it turns the DMT to vapor and gets the vapor to your lungs without trouble, it'll do the job.

I use a metal ganja pipe (one of those cheap ones that screws apart, with a lid) with a hunk of copper mesh shoved in it. Screw statistics, numbers of tokes, weights and all that... the thing works for me and that's all that counts.

Find what you like best, use it and love it. Simple as that.

I may be being naive here but I think people put too much thought into smokin technique. Ive only been smoking dmt for a couple of months, my first apparatus was the machine which I gave to a friend to keep and now have made basically a crack pipe. I have never weighed a dose even though I have accurate mg scales, never found it necessary. I just load up a bunch of spice and try to get 3 hits before being incapacitated. Any time I try to completely blast off I achieve it, with 'entity' contact being very common for me. As time passes im sure I will naturally evolve my tek (just now I usually burn it which is definitely inefficient) but I really cant see myself ever splashing a wad of cash on vaping apparatus... Although of course that could change over time.

Well you would think that people put too much thought into smoking technique being that you don't find yourself to have much trouble. Luckily you stumbled upon a method that works well for you, so you haven't had to put up with a lot of the frustration that many others here have had (including myself). If you just spent $100 on a pipe that doesn't take you very far with vapor extremely harsh and hard to hold in, you'd be pondering smoking technique yourself. Over the course of months, I gradually improved my smoking technique using less screens (I ran into similar problems as the OP with the many screens), using an ash bed, my terrible (yet expensive) butane lighters which were all more expensive than the Arc which made my life 10x easier, where to hold the lighter exactly, getting the filter clean after a bunch of people I introduced it to clogged it all up with soot (which is why I don't let anybody light the GVG for themselves anymore - it's one less thing for them to worry about anyway) as well as simply altering the way I inhale the vapor as well to allow my lungs to get as much as they can in one shot with as least harshness as I can make it. As I smoothed each problematic area of my smoking technique out, my results would improve exponentially each time.

So even though you seem to be doing just fine with what you're doing, you should bare in mind that you can always go further, and the first step in going forward is to take in more (or the same amount) of DMT in less hits. When my vaping method was inefficient, I would need to take 3-5 hits to get anywhere remotely near where I'd like to be, but as my smoking technique improved over time, I can now get it all in 1-2 hits, and most often I can tell while holding in my first hit, that I'm in for one interesting ride before I've even exhaled.

Notice two things that you said: you take 3 hits, and you burn the spice. A good chance the reason why you're burning the spice is because you're taking 3 hits. If you were able to get everything you'd need in 2, you'd have a much better chance of not burning it. I know with reasonable certainty that even nowadays, if I were to take 2 hits and then decide to go for the third, taking that third hit is almost guaranteed to burn some spice which is asking for trouble because it's when you burn spice that some of the less pleasant effects instantly arise like super-fastforward, nausea, marbles in the throat, etc...Try stopping at 2 hits, and see if your experiences don't become more pleasant.

You say you can't see yourself forking over that much money on a vaping apparatus, but you should think about it as an investment. I don't know what you spend your money on, and as per the attitude, I'm not even about to begin making some suggestions about what expenses you have in a week could easily be equated with the price of the GVG. In other words, let's say you normally spend $50 on X (which is perishable) in a given week. Within two weeks you'd have spent the equivalent money on a GVG except your GVG isn't perishable. You'll (hopefully) have your GVG forever if not for (hopefully) months and years, and within a week or two after getting it, you'll have forgotten all about the money that you would have spent on possibly "bad" habits anyway. It's an investment, and it pays off in spades.

BTW, combustion of DMT can potentially create toxic byproducts, so its not only about efficiency (which is also a big factor, since you obviously save a lot of DMT if you need 30mg for a sure breakthrough vs maybe smoking 60mg for unsure launch), but also about health.

Well i'm glad I started by saying I may have been naive, since I obviously was, lol. Thanks for clearing some things up for me Global, that all makes perfect sense. My financial situation at the moment doesnt really allow for luxuries like a gvg just now (especially since i'd almost certainly lose/break it very quickly) but when that changes i'll probably reconsider the investment.

endlessness, I was unaware that burning the spice was a potential health hazard. I'll definitely be making more of an effort to avoid that from now on. I guess it's time to make myself another machine, ditch the crack pipe and invest in a blowtorch lighter.

While I like the idea of a fancy skillet, I fear it would be highly impractical. Once I have taken my dose, I have a couple of seconds to put the pipe down before obliteration. Now if this was a glass bong with stinky water and a delicate and rather cumbersome attachment, for me any way it is only a matter of time before it gets knocked over, my precious skillet snapped, and lovely DMT infused bong water all over my carpet. Not what you want to come back to after a blissful journey into the void.

Secondly, it is more expensive than the GVG. And less portable.

Also, 60mg?! That is enough for 2-3 breakthroughs with the GVG if taken in one breath- when I used bong I would often load 30-40mg, and not get the effects of an optimally vaped 20mg dose. I can't imagine how incredibly intense a 60mg voyage would be if smoked correctly with the GVG. So by this logic, the GVG is also much moar efficient.

I concur that 12 screens is over kill when all you need is a small mesh disc. It does take a little practice to get just right, but once you do, I couldn't really imagine a more effective method of smoking.

But for some nice concentrates I am sure a skillet is an absolute dream, I just see it as a little elaborate and unnecessary.