I'll second this observation. The family of plant teachers, who gift humankind with visions and insights which are beyond the boundaries of reality as we know it. Mescaline is very enchanting and for myself, most transcendental. A very Sacred Medicine, indeed.

From my windowsill, the states of mind which vaporized DMT facilitate, are all head-spaces or levels of mind, if you will, which I have repeatedly accessed under LSD, mescaline and especially psilocybin mushrooms. That being said, such planes of expanded consciousness are switched-on much, much, much faster and far more explosively with Spice!

I have found, however, that smoking herb has become quite a bit more enhanced, since my embracing DMT, it has ignited a portal into the higher realms of light reception (from my perspective at least). I am of the belief that these states of mind are already within our being, they just await a catalyst to become directly perceivable.

Until I taste the sublime nectar of Ayahuasca... all I can honestly say, is that any of the Sacred Medicines available to humanity are capable of igniting our awareness, as to witness realms like hyperspace. Spice does seem to be the high-speed elevator in the mix, though.

I would like to say that all plant teachers have their place in their lands, earthscapes and generated mindets of those cultures. However a friend of mine said that a strong dose of dmt is WAYYYY deeper than a strong dose of the potent'est of the cyanescens 'rooms, ever!

Though this is not at all gospel, considering many disagree. The argument is getting old.
Also:

Cyans are usually orally consumed with additional cell matter to skew dosing.
N,N-DMT is usually smoked with very exact dosing.

You can't compare the two unless dose and method of ingestion are compatible. Apples, oranges.

-totally different trip.

Your friend has not eaten enough cyans then..or they are not talking about psilocybe cyans and maybe pan cyans..I cant say about pan cyans cus I never ate them. Sure psilocybe cyans are a dit different than DMT..DMT is more clear and I prefer it for deep experiences, but that doesnt mean cyans cant take you just as deep..they can..trust me. If you dont believe me I challenge anyone to go eat 5 or 6g of psilocybe cyans and tell me that DMT was WAYYYY deeper.

^^If anyone takes this bet please have a sitter present.

-You said it yourself. case closed!

(At the previous rate of argument you could argue that 5 meo dmt is like n n dmt, etc. They are completely different!)

No he DID NOT say that. Within this very post itself he said that cyanescens can take you as deep as DMT can. And you use that quote to say 'case closed'.
This is no serious discussion.

You just want to believe in the gospel of mckenna that DMT is the ultimate psychedelic while there is no such thing in the first place and if there would be, it would not be DMT but rather something like ibogaine.

-err, yes he DID say that!?



-No, i don't and DIDN'T say that. Why so defensive polytrip??.. Sure, shrooms may give you a deep trip but to say that the trip is identicle to a DMT trip is both laughable and absolutely incorrect. Fistly DMT trip is short and intense and produces an experience that may have some shroom like similarities, however it's a different experience. Just like Mescaline or 5 meo DMT is. I cannot understand why you are fighting against this simple fact. I'm sure if you research this you will realise this.

When i meditate/concentrate on mushrooms it can be very DMT like, the visuals get faster/more expansive the more i focus & let go.

Strassman said that he thinks of psilocybin as orally active DMT, from my own experience i tend to agree.

I tripped last night & mushrooms never fail to show me what a brilliant tool they really are, godsmacked!

You are fighting against a simple fact and i´m being defensive because you´re twisting jamies words. He said that a DMT experience is more clear. Not that it is more intense or deeper. He repeatedly said that a shroom experience is nearly identical to a DMT experience. You pick out only the words 'more clear', ignore all the other things he said, and pretent that those words proof you right.

You are saying that what i´m saying is laughable, based on not your own experience but second hand experiences that you´ve filtered in such a way that they fit your gospel. That´s why i´m being devensive.

He clearly says that the cyanescens can take you as deep as DMT can: "your friend has not eaten eough cyans then, or they are not talking about psilocybe cyans", "but that doesn´t mean cyans can´t take you just as deep". You take the "sure psilocybe cyans are a bit different" totally out of context to make the point that all the other things he and i said are laughable nonsense and that DMT is worlds apart from cyanescens.

I don´t like this DMT-elitism. It´s absolute bullshit that´s based on nothing.

-I don't agree with what you or Jamie are saying. I think that shrooms can provide a deep visionary experience. But i believe that DMT provides a cleaner and therefore deeper experience.( which actually makes sense because DMT is after all "the spirit molecule", naturally present in our bodies, so it's not based on nothing.

-These are my opinions, and i am free to choose them. You do not have to agree with me, and you do not need to force your opinions onto me either. If you cannot deal with my opinions, then you can simply agree to disagree.

Taken from the levels of psychedelic experience.

http://www.lavondyss.com...t/guide/psilocybin.html

http://www.lavondyss.com/donut/guide/dmt.html

> Interesting to see D.M.Turner (r.i.p.) rate shrooms at 3-7 intensity range, compared to dmt at 9-10

For me shrooms is not at all identical to dmt, just a fact. Not all people percieve effects in the same way guys. I can tell you for sure eating even large doses of mushrooms is not like oral or freebase dmt, sure similair, but not even close to exactly the same experience. Christian is right, experience is subjective, not all are in line with what you guys are saying.