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is ayahuasca safe after a pill-induced stroke? Options
 
pondini
#1 Posted : 1/6/2012 8:29:02 PM
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just learned my generally-estranged son has had 2 strokes recently from taking pills of some sort. i haven't talked to him yet -he never answers the phone- but i'll post the drug here when i find out. meanwhile, i think ayahuasca treatment in S. America might help his drug addiction. i considered getting him some isolation tank sessions but i think a trip south might be more useful.

i'm off to research for myself but please let me know if you are aware of ayahuasca conflicting with stroke victims. (i am aware of DMT raising blood pressure.)

EDIT: there are two types of strokes, and i'll post which type he had when i find out.

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Most strokes are ischemic (is-KEE-mic) strokes. These are caused by reduced blood flow to the
brain when blood vessels are blocked by a clot or become too narrow for blood to get through.
Brain cells in the area die from lack of oxygen. In another type of stroke, called hemorrhagic
(hem-or-AJ-ic) stroke, the blood vessel isn't blocked; it bursts, and blood leaks into the brain,
causing damage.
 

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#2 Posted : 1/6/2012 10:25:26 PM

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Before you tell your son he has a drug addiction and you push him into something he might not believe he needs, take a moment to inform yourself of the situation as it is happening. Your post omitted a lot of information which makes responding to this difficult.

You said your son took pills of some sort and suffered from strokes due to that. But you also mention he has a drug addiction. How you do know he has an addiction to drugs? If your son had indeed taken drugs it could also be a sign that your son uses drugs for recreational reasons without being addicted to it. Many people I know in the range of 18 - 35 use drugs as a way that other people drink alcohol. Some people do it every weekend, others do it once every 2 months, but many of these people are not addicted. They don't need their drugs to be able to make it through the day. No, they use these drugs as they're intended: To create a different state of conscious for a more intense evening out. Everybody else use alcohol for that.

If your son hasn't openly admitted that he has addiction, please don't confront him by telling him, but by asking if he can explain it to you so you can understand. That way you don't run the risk of creating a negative / hostile atmosphere. If you let him explain his reasons it might not be as bad.

However, if your son does in fact have an addiction and he himself wants to break out of it then I strongly recommend you visit your physician. You are looking for specific medical information and the best way to get that is from a medical expert. He knows your situation, how strong your son's heart is and he can make a risk assessment based on know medical research. But realize that addiction is often a manifestation of an underlying problem, such a trauma. Going through an Ayahuasca ritual will not solve that problem. It might perhaps motivate your son to fix things up, but he will then also have to see psychologist or get some other kind of (mental) coaching.

I've seen situations where the parents confronted their children enraged and screaming in their faces without letting them express themselves. This led to a fight, damaging the bond between parent and child. Please avoid that at all times, because nothing good will come from that, for noone. Only tears.
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pondini
#3 Posted : 1/6/2012 11:26:19 PM
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thanks for the sound advice VT. as an x-heroin addict i hope i can listen to his side, compassionately. however, his aunt tried talking to him and he rebelled, so i need to keep that in mind.

he showed interest a while back in trying DMT so i think he would be interested. ayahuasca isn't lip-service, it provides a personal knowing of why abusing drugs is bad -as well as why you abuse them- that me lecturing him won't accomplish. at least that is my belief.
 
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#4 Posted : 1/7/2012 9:09:02 AM

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Would love to have a dad like you!! I hope it all goes well with your son, but I would wait a couple months before this undertaking.

Tried sensory deprivation tank, its not that helpful. its nice and warm and all, but some deep insights in one hour is hard. But if one does it 2 times a week, for a prolonged period that would help him to focus aleast. But he has to be onboard with it too. Have a good one Smile
 
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#5 Posted : 1/7/2012 6:58:58 PM
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Iboga and kambo are a better duo in terms of helping your son fight addiction. Aya has a very poor track record in getting people off opiates.
 
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#6 Posted : 1/7/2012 7:26:52 PM

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I believe aya could help - it has certainly revealed the nature of my own self destructive behaviors before. Addiction is a spiritual disease that is best treated with compassion. I highly recommend reading Dr Gabor Mate's book "in the realm of hungry ghosts" for deep insight to the addicted mind and how effective treatments can be. Mate has since used ayahuasca sessions with success to treat his substance abuse patients. Iboga is truly the master when it comes to habit changing and addiction breaking.




moyshekapoyre wrote:
Iboga and kambo are a better duo in terms of helping your son fight addiction. Aya has a very poor track record in getting people off opiates.


Please support this statement.
 
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#7 Posted : 1/7/2012 7:41:52 PM

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pondini wrote:
however, his aunt tried talking to him and he rebelled, so i need to keep that in mind

did she confront him in a manner which could have caused a hostile atmosphere?
(speaking as a year out of teenager-dom) these things tend to be more of a two-way street than not.


moyshekapoyre wrote:
Iboga and kambo are a better duo in terms of helping your son fight addiction. Aya has a very poor track record in getting people off opiates.

i am not so sure i would dismiss ayahuasca so quickly...
not that i don't think iboga or kambo wouldn't work exceptionally well.
but they aren't the only solution, as this thread demonstrates
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