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I was reading thru the topics and saw this. Not cool. Can this really happen? This is the first time I've read something like this. What do you think about it? Is there more like this that I can read? I'd like to know more about this.

Anything can happen with DMT, worst hell or highest heaven. And I'm not lying or trying to scare anyone. It all depends on YOU where it takes YOU.

"to fathom hell or soar angelic, just take a pinch of psychedelic"

I have experienced the greatest heavens and the darkest hells all on the same trip before.

Can something like that really happen? Sure. How likely it is would be a completely unanswerable question as there are so many innumerable factors that go into what kind of experience you get. It should be noted that in this poster's case he not only felt that he was using it too much with signs all along the way, but even more importantly was his dose size. 45mg vaporized effectively is IME overkill. If you've got good technique, you can make 30mg and under go as long a way as you could reasonably want. Loops are relatively common, though usually not as dark and vile as the one described in the report. The uncomfortable feeling of any number of "things" in your throat from marbles to locusts (I suppose) can tend to manifest from burning the spice. If you are vaping a large pile of spice, it seems that you run a bigger risk of burning it and thus winding up with the most uncomfortable throat feeling. Combine this feeling with a loop and dark entities and you've got yourself a hell on your hands. As far as reading more, we've got our fair share of disaster stories here in the Nexus, and if you take a look around the First Steps in Hyperspace or DMT Experience subfora, you're bound to come up with a handful of experiences gone awry. You may also want to look on Erowid, as I seem to remember that they have a category of trip reports called "train wrecks" or something along those lines. My question to you is why the interest in these negative cases? Are you smoking DMT? Simply curious? Trying to prepare/protect yourself?

I like to know everything that can happen. Curiosity I guess. I don't think you can protect yourself or know when it'll happen or stop it from happening. But it can't hurt in knowing right?

Certainly not A wise reason.

Since beginning my explorations with this tool, I have been finding myself implicitly believing in the power of amulets and talismans to protect myself. I found alligator teeth and turkey feet to for whatever reason emanate a feeling of protection...

I also find the phrase "I love you" to have the power to calm the dragonish side of hyperspace down. Also, the negative states seem to feed on your fear, becoming stronger and stronger the more you panic.

Maybe because you feel it can protect you it does?

Magic is Empowerment by Attention to Detail!

Would this be such a terrible thing either? If spiritual objects and spiritual experiences do employ a good deal of their power through the placebo effect, would this be so bad? As we know, the placebo effect can be quite strong, but ultimately it's the results that are important. I don't know about alligator teeth and turkey feet, but for spiritual experiences in general, I happen to think that there is more at play than merely the placebo effect because often times the results can directly contradict one's expectations.

A couple of days ago I had a very difficult experience with spice and I’ve been thinking of an accessory to ground myself with when I’m deep in and it goes wrong. Something that I could attach to my wrist that would anchor me back to the real world if I need to remember I was there too.

My need is maybe not for protection though, I just want some part of the real world to take with me just in case.

The last experience was in the dark with nothing from this reality the but a duvet I was wrapped in at hand. Where I was (I thought I was dead and packaged up in a box in the void) there was no up, down, left, left right or anything else. I think somehow my duvet helped me get out of there as I had it in my mouth when I got out of that stage of the journey.

Just being able to feel something on my wrist maybe have been a bit of an easier way to drag myself out a bit.

Expectations can have a profound impact on your dreams, like the placebo effect, so don't read too much into other peoples experiences. There are many examples of both good and bad experiences, but the best and the worst are the ones people tend to talk about. In general, lower dose experiences tend to be easier to navigate and then later integrate.

That said, any instantaneous transition into a psychedelic state will be wierd. How you deal with that is up to you.

Hey.

There are ultimately no ‘good’ or ‘bad’ experiences in my point of view. ‘Good angelic heavenly’ and ‘bad demonic hellish’ (and everything in between) are mere subjective interpretations of some objective neutral things that are happening to us. Unable to grasp the divine nature of DMT experiences, all we have left are our primitive interpretations of the events.

I am fairly confident to attest that your current interpretation of (some of) your trips will change the more you spiritually grow. Things that seemed a ‘bad trip’ back then will become ‘difficult, but necessary’ experiences a few months/years later. I have had a few such experiences myself. Ironically, I have learned the most from things that I interpreted as ‘bad and intrusive’ when experiencing them for the first time.

The bottom line: don’t pay too much attention to other peoples ‘bad trip’ reports as there are ultimately no such thing as ‘bad’ trips.

This is how it works for me. With unconditional love,

AstraLex.

Witches and demonologists did the same thing for the same reasons when they summoned demons and devils. Well that's what I read anyway. I read prayer has a positive effect on mental health. The act of thinking positively can do a lot.

I tend to agree with AstraLex. After breaking through the first time, I came to the conlussion that what feels like a bad trip is more a reflection of what is going on inside. Obviously there are externuating circumstances such as set and setting, but when treated with a fair amount of respect even a bitch slapping can be extremely beneficial. One thing I have noticed about spice for me, is that when I dabble my toes in the water things can get a bit "strange" so to speak, but once I dive in, I am usually well rewarded.

One thing to note is that the title of that post has been changed and after a bit of self-examination and reflection, that "horrible" experience became a much needed learning experience.