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DoctorMantus
#21 Posted : 1/3/2012 5:00:01 AM

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ab381 wrote:
really interesting views are coming from this discussion and i would like to open it up more and ask a further question which is "do you believe in reincarnation after death or do you stick with the views about staying in hyperspace" personally i couldn't imagine being reincarnated and losing all my memories and spiritual energy only to have to live a new life hoping i find the spiritual guidance again which equals a rinse and repeat cycle.

do you all agree or do you think the two tie in together more clever way?


I believe in it fully.

I sometimes thinks that we all reincarnate and go through all the animals in the astrology signs.

depending on what sign we are it makes up our personalities.

sometimes i think that we reincarnate maybe to fix mistakes, tie up lose ends from our past life.

I also believe that we have a choice, the notion of after life being like hyperspace sounds like a good place to transition to.
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#22 Posted : 1/3/2012 6:54:02 AM

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What if during the transition from 1Hz to 0 it is possible to dilate time infinitely? Or if not infinitely, at least as much so that you could experience an entire lifetime in the final minutes, or seconds, of your life here on Earth. Perhaps this is what the brain is doing during it's final activities.


Perhaps this is happening now, and you're slowly dying.
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I do not understand why people (including most of the people here from what it seems) are so afraid of death that they need illusions of afterlife to live the life they have.it is so vain to think that we are anything more than molecules that happened to form a system of neurons that can experience conciousness.I could easily prove scientifically (being a biologist) that your "spirit" (meaning the essence of your being) is in fact your brain,but a person afraid of death will rather lie to himself and will always find ways to do that than accept the truth.if you make peace with the fact of death,you will be able to appreciate life more.
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Indoril_Nerevar wrote:
I do not understand why people (including most of the people here from what it seems) are so afraid of death that they need illusions of afterlife to live the life they have.it is so vain to think that we are anything more than molecules that happened to form a system of neurons that can experience conciousness.

I agree with this.

We are made from star dust and upon death we return to star dust.
Black then white are all I see in my infancy.
Red and yellow then came to be,
reaching out to me, lets me see.
There is so much more and it beckons me to look though to these,
infinite possibilities.
As below so above and beyond I imagine,
drawn outside the lines of reason.
Push the envelope. Watch it bend.
 
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#25 Posted : 1/3/2012 9:29:18 AM

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Indoril_Nerevar wrote:
I do not understand why people (including most of the people here from what it seems) are so afraid of death that they need illusions of afterlife to live the life they have.it is so vain to think that we are anything more than molecules that happened to form a system of neurons that can experience conciousness.I could easily prove scientifically (being a biologist) that your "spirit" (meaning the essence of your being) is in fact your brain,but a person afraid of death will rather lie to himself and will always find ways to do that than accept the truth.if you make peace with the fact of death,you will be able to appreciate life more.



Just because people are sharing what they believe, doesn't mean that they are scared. How are you so positive that your believe is 100% right?

I speak of what i think of after life i am not afraid. And if your Brain is your Spirit what is your Mind from what i knew they were two separate things.
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#26 Posted : 1/3/2012 2:13:52 PM

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Indoril_Nerevar wrote:
I do not understand why people (including most of the people here from what it seems) are so afraid of death that they need illusions of afterlife to live the life they have.it is so vain to think that we are anything more than molecules that happened to form a system of neurons that can experience conciousness.I could easily prove scientifically (being a biologist) that your "spirit" (meaning the essence of your being) is in fact your brain,but a person afraid of death will rather lie to himself and will always find ways to do that than accept the truth.if you make peace with the fact of death,you will be able to appreciate life more.


I posted this in another thread, and I'll post it here again:

Global wrote:
The late Dr. John Lorber was a neurology professor at the University of Sheffield. At some point, the campus doctor was treating one of the math majors for something minor when he noticed his head was a little larger than normal and referred the student to Dr. Lorber. This math major was academically bright, had an IQ of 126 and was expected to graduate. Upon receiving the results of his CAT-scan, Dr. Lorber discovered that he had practically no brain at all! He was suffering from an extreme case of hydrocephalus and had less than 20% cerebral tissue. He had a perfectly normal life and ended up with an honors degree in mathematics. His case is far from unique. Professor Lorber carried out a study of hydrocephalus at the University of Sheffield and discovered that there was no relation between the volume of the brain. Out of the 253 subjects, 9 had around 5% the normal brain tissue and 4 of them had IQ's above 100 and 2 others had IQ's above 126, and one turned out to be as intelligent as the professors studying him.


As a biologist you should realize that the correlations that you see between activity in brain scans and the function of the brain are just that; they are correlations. Could they be more than that? Possibly. But correlation does not prove causation. You guys like to throw that phrase around a lot...except when it undermines the entire basis of your area of study. What's vain is to believe that you have all the answers. You know what happens when we all die: no doubts, no scientism dogmas there. No one here is claiming that they know what happens when you die, except for you. We're all just making conjectures based on direct experience of realms that seem to simulate the death experience that often resonate with the metaphysical literature that has been around for much longer than biology. You have your evidence, and we have ours. The difference is that ours is based on our own experience and is difficult to share by reducing it to language, while your evidence is more "portable" and easier to share with others.

This is all not to say that you might not be right in the end anyway. It could very well be the case that you correctly predicted what happens when you die, but you should realize that any evidence short of dying yourself can allow you to securely conclude that you know what happens when people die. Science is a belief system: a belief system that encourages rational inquiry that its cult members like to throw out the window as soon as it threatens the other scientific knowledge on which their beliefs stand.
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#27 Posted : 1/3/2012 3:22:42 PM
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I think when people say that consciousness lives only through this body(electricity in brain etc) and that there is no afterlife, I simply can't imagine what is no consciousness at all, perceiving absolutely nothing, that is.
I believe in our eternal spirit.

EDIT: I posted the above before viewing the discussion before my post.
 
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#28 Posted : 1/3/2012 3:36:02 PM

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I do believe in an afterlife, but I don't believe it is anything our human brains could possibly ever comprehend.
 
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#29 Posted : 1/3/2012 3:46:59 PM

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Any sort of science will disregard the idea of something which death can't touch!
And I can understand this concept!

But...
Smile

Maybe our science hasn't gone THAT far, concerning life coming from some infinite source, always reinventing itself and expanding and exploring new ideas of "life" itself.


We are "life"
We will ever be "life"

There is no such thing as death.



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Citta
#30 Posted : 1/3/2012 6:10:30 PM

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kyrolima wrote:

There is no such thing as death.


Yes, there is. Death is a very spesific biologically defined thing. To say that there is no such thing as death is arbitrary nonsense imo (unless you work with a totally different definition). Even if we had a soul and lived after death, there would still be death.
 
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#31 Posted : 1/3/2012 7:17:51 PM

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Citta wrote:
kyrolima wrote:

There is no such thing as death.


Yes, there is. Death is a very spesific biologically defined thing. To say that there is no such thing as death is arbitrary nonsense imo (unless you work with a totally different definition). Even if we had a soul and lived after death, there would still be death.

It all depends on how you define death (and life).

You have never been aware of a single moment in time during which you were not conscious. It’s not possible to be aware of one’s own unconsciousness. So if consciousness persists after death, then awareness will continue uninterrupted.
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#32 Posted : 1/3/2012 7:24:41 PM

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DoingKermit wrote:
I do believe in an afterlife, but I don't believe it is anything our human brains could possibly ever comprehend.


This is pretty much exactly what I believe. I do sometimes wonder if it might all just go black and there's nothing, but for some reason I have this overwhelming sense that their is more to our existence.

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Citta
#33 Posted : 1/3/2012 7:29:42 PM

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gibran2 wrote:
Citta wrote:
kyrolima wrote:

There is no such thing as death.


Yes, there is. Death is a very spesific biologically defined thing. To say that there is no such thing as death is arbitrary nonsense imo (unless you work with a totally different definition). Even if we had a soul and lived after death, there would still be death.

It all depends on how you define death (and life).

You have never been aware of a single moment in time during which you were not conscious. It’s not possible to be aware of one’s own unconsciousness. So if consciousness persists after death, then awareness will continue uninterrupted.


Ah, yes, the wordplay. I already mentioned that in the parantheses in my post above. However, it doesn't make much sense to define death as something else than what we commonly do. Life is a little bit trickier of course, but biologists have a strong consensus on this. Anyway, why define death different than usual? Just so you can for the sake of argument say that there is no such thing as death? Fine, go ahead with the semantic wordplay. It seems pretty silly if I were to define "0" to be something else, and thus conclude that there is no such thing as "0", wouldn't it? Or change the meaning of "table", so that we'd be talking about, say, "planks" instead. Not very interesting or meaningful in a serious discussion, imo.

But let's not dwell on this. I think that with the purpose of this thread, i.e discussion of the "afterlife", we are talking about what happens after the death of our bodies, which is a very spesific thing and thus it is not very sensible to start playing with words indefinitely. For there to even be sensible to talk about an afterlife, we must have a definition of death that allows death to exist as well, don't you think?
 
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#34 Posted : 1/3/2012 7:41:39 PM

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Indoril_Nerevar wrote:
I could easily prove scientifically (being a biologist) that your "spirit" (meaning the essence of your being) is in fact your brain


Ok prove it...and then publish it and become famous.
You see I also have a BS in Biology, and a PhD in Medicinal chemistry.
Nothing I ever studied suggests that you can prove our spirit is biological.

This is just flat out arrogant thinking IMHO.
I'd suggest at least a little humility because the truth is you don't have any idea what you talking about.

I say, biology my ass. What are you? Prove that.
P.S. You won't be able to look it up in a book Smile

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#35 Posted : 1/3/2012 7:48:43 PM

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ab381 wrote:
where do you think we will end up in the afterlife and do you think dmt is opens portal to that world?


I've got a nagging feeling I'm going to be doing another miserable stint here on earth, Nirvana will have to wait.

And no DMT doesn't open a portal to the afterlife imo. I hope it doesn't at least as it's not always that friendly in there!. I think it just adjusts ( for a few minutes, even hours in the case of aya.) the brains default state, and allows us to pick up on sensory data not accessable by 99.99% of the population. Survival of man depends on a default mode very much atuned to the immediate physical needs, food, sex, shelter, etc.

It's all speculation, no matter how qualified an individual may be in science or religion.

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Indoril_Nerevar wrote:
I do not understand why people (including most of the people here from what it seems) are so afraid of death that they need illusions of afterlife to live the life they have.it is so vain to think that we are anything more than molecules that happened to form a system of neurons that can experience conciousness.I could easily prove scientifically (being a biologist) that your "spirit" (meaning the essence of your being) is in fact your brain,but a person afraid of death will rather lie to himself and will always find ways to do that than accept the truth.if you make peace with the fact of death,you will be able to appreciate life more.


As a biologist you also specialize in a certain density of light which i would like to call the 3rd density which most people like to call physical. Your perspective and many other official "scientists" perspective of life exists only on a 3rd density level because of the 1 dimensional way of learning/conditioning.

My view is that your brain does not "hold" any information at all, it is just a plug for your conscience, it is your conscience/energy which holds the information you perceive.
 
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I think there are an infinite amount of after-death scenarios, but I think that we create or choose which unique path we align ourselves with, just like in life. And just like in life, there will be various levels of our existence that are shared with everybody/everything else, and many that are personal to us.

I think everything is eternal, and I also totally believe in parallel universes, so I had a thought one time that went something like this: A person dies in one, or several earthly manifestations; their body and their soul each transform and continue on. But perhaps there is always one example where the person survives. Rather than die, they go through the typical near-death experience, where they can review their entire life, come in contact with miraculous levels of existence, and ultimately heal themselves and wake back up. This thought of mine came with a pretty vivid vision, and it all made sense and felt right to me. It's like even the physical forms that we think we shed at death actually survive on some level. Maybe?
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#38 Posted : 1/3/2012 8:32:04 PM

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toppy wrote:


My belief is that there is 1 of 3 directions each "individual" could "decide" to go to after "death" within a 3d cycle.
A 4th density negative cycle, a 4th density positive cycle or a repeat of the 3rd density cycle.


My beliefs as well %100
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#39 Posted : 1/3/2012 8:50:28 PM

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I agree with you Citta in the sense that there is most certainly a such thing as death. What happens subjectively to those experiencing the death state is an area of much greater doubt though.
"Science without religion is lame. Religion without science is blind" - Albert Einstein

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gibran2 wrote:
. It’s not possible to be aware of one’s own unconsciousness.


Well said
 
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