Sex should be promoted in what way?

The point is you become an adult after your "entheogenic initiation", and then your free from your parents rule and are considered an adult and can freely have sexual intercourse without ridicule from the community.

Before children are 17, they are told not to have sexual intercourse. Just like an sensible society we don't want our children having sexual intercourse before they are old enough to make good decsisions.

Children are never intended to have sex with adults and that would be HIGHLY unacceptable.



The last thing I want this to be is a cult... I need strong minded people for my Temple. Please kill me if I ever become a cult-like figure.



Sexual behavior is accepted, sexual intercourse is discouraged before 17. Theres a difference between sexual behavior (kissing and what have you) and sexual intercourse (sex), we can't possibly except our kids to never do anything sexual before they are 17, but I think it's reasonable to ask them to wait for sexual intercourse until that age.




No this is what I need and why I posted.



Creepy? Perhaps the sexual rules... but rules which are very much like the ones I set up are in place in our society today... maybe it'd like creepy if somebody wrote them down too?

Modern Societies Morals-

A womans first experience with sexual intercourse normally occurs around 14-18, often while the female is extremely intoxicated.

(I'll think of some more later, but I think y'all see my point)

But i DO weant that ..why should a child be forbidden to explore the world of lust? I think that's actually very unhealthy.



At least it's unacceptable in our western civilisation.
I'm just stating that, nothing more.



I don't want parents to "rule" "their" children AT ALL!

No, completely the oppisite, sexual INTERCOURSE should be DISCOURAGED before they are 17.

If they have sex, o well, nothing you can do about it but scold them. Again intercourse is difference from sexual behavior, which would be completely acceptable.

I think telling your kids not to have sexual intercourse before they are 17 is a good idea, maybe that's just me...




Me neither, bad wording.

I dont think homosexuality should be promoted, but I do think it should be accpeted.



You treat them as such, but certainly recongize them as different, you don't wanna confuse them. I'm just saying you don't have to give little boys fire trucks and little girls pink dolls, thats all. I think at a young age they don't need to worry about that bullshit, and they can realize what it means to be a man or a women when they hit puperty, but again, they should always understand the difference between boys and girls.




Agreed, it's "frowned" upon among couple with kids, but is acceptable.



sorry i know i such a spelling.

But why? It's pretty common where I live that first time sex (intercourse) happens at the age of 15, sometimes much sooner. I don't see a problem with that, as long as we make sure they know how to put a rubber on. I mean..they have fully developed bodys, they're horny as fuck...why shouldn't they actually fuck? I wish I would have lost my virginity at a young age. There's something you can't re-experience as you grow older. Some sort of playfulness gets lost ..that makes Sex at a young age so attractive.



In my opinion, every sexual developement should be encouraged, because sex is about what one feels and its propably very unhealthy to force laws upon feelings. What about transgenderism for example..or sexual behaviour we would call "perverted" ?



Well, they don't worry about "that bullshit", they just do it. I can remember myself starting to masturbate at the age of 9 and I always felt like I was doing something "forbidden" or "dirty" and I find that very sad. I mean, how much fun could have been had if there wouldn't have been the fear inside my head. I also experimented with homosexuality at this time and I think it's a good thing to do and a normal sexual development. Sexual developement doesn't start with puberty but much earlier! I even remember having full blown errections in kindergarden and feeling the urge to try myself out. And this is the case with some people I've spoken about this topic.

Such as rape? Bondage? Degradation of women?



I agree with that, but I still stand next to the idea that parents should tell their children to wait for sexual intercourse (only sexual intercourse, don't get confused) until they are old enough (age 17+) to make informed descsions.

You've got a point here. Pedophilia would be another problematic sexual orientation.
Well, lets say sexual developement should be encouraged as long as it is consentual.

I can't say I disagree with that... but I also believe restraint should be exhibited.

Did you just say 13 year old children have fully developed bodies? You did! I don't think I can take you seriously now.

Where did you see that? I mentioned the age of 15. But to be precice: I think it varies from person to person. Some are fully developed at 14, some at 16. 13 definatly not.

its not soooo much a question of the age of first time, but whether a 'with who'..

I dont think it would necessarily be a bad thing for two well-intending 13 year olds exploring the world and their bodies to have sex (and definitely better than for example even a 17 year old that is 'consenting' but being taken advantage of from some weird fucked up older person.. or any other example one can think of).. We can always suggest that one does it a bit later but one cannot give such order. I think the most important is to have the sex subject quite open when talking to young people, and try to make sure the person chooses well with who they are doing, thinking about what are the intentions, how to be safe, etc.

If y'all were trying to lay out a basic moral code... what would you say?

Why don't we go ask the elves

Should you ever give someone the Holy Sacrement always have them sign the two above documents first.

Mission Statement-


We wish to reconnect mankind and Mother Nature through the us of entheogens. We wish to create a global sustainable community. We wish to create a society free of narcotics and unneeded or unwarranted pharmaceutical prescriptions, while at the same time increasing our awareness of the botanical-world and learning to heal ourselves and our Earth with the fruit of the forest and the seed of the meadow. We wish to see a Cannabis plant, a Fig tree and Goji bush in every yard!

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Illegal Botanicals in the U.S.A.-

"'Shrooms" ~ Psilocybin containing Mushrooms
"Iboga ~ Tabernanthe iboga
"Peyote" ~ Lophophora williamsii
"Khat" ~ Catha edulis
"Opium Poppy" ~ Papaver somniferum
"Coca" ~ Erythroxylum coca
"Marijuana" ~ Cannabis spp.
"Salvia" ~ Salvia divinorum (Not illegal Nation-wide, only in some states)

Overgrow all the above ethnobotanicals!

Overgrow means saturate the community with these botanicals! I want these botanicals in everybody's backyards or basements!

So obtain plants and seeds! Make cuttings and send them to friends! Offer seeds to gardeners! Etc.!

I encourage y'all to continue to urge politicans to see the difference between botanicals and "drugs".

For example... Poppies should be perfectly legal to grow, but of course producing heroin, would not.

Another example... Growing cacti is legal, but extracting and creating pure mescaline is not.



Thank you.

Now get out there and GROW GROW GROW!!!

Plant Iboga seeds!

Make Coca cuttings!

Propagate Khat!

Spread Mushroom Spores!

Pollinate your Peyote! and send out some seeds!

Sow a field of Poppies!

Make tons of Salvia cuttings!!!


Goals-

All parts of any living and/or dried botanicals are legal in their unadulterated forms.

Any extracts, concentrations or adulterations of the botanicals Catha edulis, Erythroxylum coca, Papaver somniferum or related species is illegal.

All synthetic drugs are only legal with a prescription.

Research and use of botanical based medicinals would increase. As well as funding for private research.

The use of botanicals for medicinal and/or psychoactive use may not be restricted, however the isolated constitutes of said botanicals may be restricted by law, but NEVER the botanicals themselves.

Police should focus their efforts on controlling narcotics such as heroin, methamphetamine, cocaine, pharmaceuticals and "ecstasy" as well as provide better education and rehabilitation programs.

The use of drugs and psychoactives by children should be strictly outlawed. This includes any and all drugs, psychoactives and/or mind altering substances including but not limited to- Caffeine, nicotine, alcohol, etc.

How to Remain Safe from State Oppression-

Do not tell anyone, anything about the botanicals you may grow.
Do not discuss illegal activities with anyone, or partake in illegitimate behaviors.
Do not allow anyone to view or come near any illegal plants, or information about illegal activity.
Do not sell any illegal drugs, botanicals or any possibly illegitimate items.
Any package containing possible illegitimate items should be sent to another person’s house besides your own (such as a friend or relative).
Follow all Non-botanical related laws, pay your taxes on time, etc.
Do not associate with anyone who partakes in any illegal activities or drugs.
Do not use your home computer to view or discuss illegal activities.
Do not cultivate illegal botanicals in the open.

*Note- I do not condone or advocate any illegal activities.*


Age Limits-


Must be Over 17-

"'Shrooms" ~ Psilocybin containing Mushrooms
"Peyote" ~ Lophophora williamsii
"Ayahuasca" ~ Banisteriopsis caapi, Diplopterys and Psychotria
"Kava-Kava" ~ Piper methysticum
All other psychoactives including but not limited to- Caffeine, .... .and high amounts of sugar.


Must be Over 20-

"Coca" ~ Erythroxylum coca
"Marijuana" ~ Cannabis spp.
"Beer" & "Wine" ~ Alcohol (20% or less)
"Salvia" ~ Salvia divinorum
"Iboga ~ Tabernanthe iboga

Must be Over 23-

"Khat" ~ Catha edulis
"Opium Poppy" ~ Papaver somniferum
"Tobacco" ~ Nicotiana tabacum
"Spirits" ~ Distillied Alcohol (20% or higher)

*Note*- Please understand that "Coca" refers to the leafs (or other botanical parts) of the Erythroxylum coca plant, this does NOT refer to cocaine! Cocaine, heroin and methamphetamine would all remain highly illegal as would other concentrated, isolated, or synthetic psychoactive compounds.


We wish to reconnect mankind and Mother Nature through the us of entheogens. We wish to create a global sustainable community. We wish to create a society free of narcotics and unneeded or unwarranted pharmaceutical prescriptions, while at the same time increasing our awareness of the botanical-world and learning to heal ourselves and our Earth with the fruit of the forest and the seed of the meadow. We wish to see a Cannabis plant, a Fig tree and Goji bush in every yard!


Largest Dangers for Today's Youth from Psychoactives-

Alcohol
Cigarettes and other nicotine products
Pharmaceutical and O.T.C. drugs
"Ecstasy" MDMA and related drugs
Methamphetamine
Cocaine
Heroin and other opiates drugs, especially opiate and opioid pharmaceuticals.
Research chemicals- PCP, DOB, 2c-b, etc.
"whippets", aerosol and other inhalants and improvised drugs.

Entheogenic Temples/Churchs-

Peyoteway.org ~ Peyote church based in Arizona, U.S.A.
Myspace.com/templeentheogen ~ Entheogenic Temple based in North America
Yoism.org ~ The Way of "Yo"


Good Entheogenic Internet Forums-

Shaman-australis.com (Also a great site for ethnobotanicals)
Entheogen.com
dmt-nexus.me
Lycaeum.org
Spiritplants.org
Botanicalswap.org
Thenook.org
Growery.org
Shroomery.org




Keywords for Ethnobotanicals-

Peyote (Lophophora)
Salvia divinorum
Ayahuasca or Yage (Banisteriopsis caapi, Psychotria viridis, Diplopterys cabrerana)
Iboga (Tabernanthe iboga)
Psilocybin (Psilocybe Mushrooms)
Morning Glory (Argyreia, Ipomoea, Rivea)



Keywords for Spirituality-

Jainism
Taoism
Bahai




Entheogen/Ethnobotanical/Spiritual Sites-

erowid.org
maps.org
peyoteway.org
cactusconservation.org
csp.org
unitedplantsavers.org
entheopedia.org
yoism.org
bahai.us
troutsnotes.com
yage.net

Growing Aztekium and Ariocarpus teaches you something!

This perhaps could be a "foot in the door" and a pathway for the legalization of all drugs (be that your personal goal) but for the current time, in our current place, I believe we have the best chance of seeking religious exemption and attempting to push (if only for the moment) for strictly botanicals to be legal, but not "drugs".

The U.S. courts have already demonstrated a willingness to exempt the users of Ayahuasca and Peyote from "drug laws", however... anyone caught with research chemicals, N,N-DMT, MDMA or LSD-25 is thrown in the slammer.

So just due to the current trends in society it is best if we push for ONLY the legalization of botanicals at the current moment.