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gory dkalz
#1 Posted : 12/31/2011 4:36:28 PM

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Not from the law of course... But seriously considering moving out of the US in the next couple of years. I'm just really starting to get tired of it all here and want something fresh.

Now my question to you all is what country would you suggest moving to and why? Smile
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#2 Posted : 12/31/2011 4:56:03 PM


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gory dkalz wrote:
Now my question to you all is what country would you suggest moving to and why? Smile

Which one has the life you want?
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#3 Posted : 12/31/2011 5:05:40 PM

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Peru and i dont know why
 
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#4 Posted : 12/31/2011 5:25:30 PM
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You have the same issues everywhere. You can´t flee from corruption, bigotry and decadence.
 
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#5 Posted : 12/31/2011 5:32:56 PM
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if you are really condisering that you can take a look at butan. they have a happiness index in their government.
if you still want to be in an industiral country you should take a look at the scandinavian countires
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#6 Posted : 12/31/2011 6:04:05 PM
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South america is close. I would at least try some travelling. And if it doesn't work out, you can return... Just save some cash first.

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You have the same issues everywhere. You can´t flee from corruption, bigotry and decadence.


Luckily some issues that US has aren't visible in every country. I've been there myself... What the issues are are up to you to think up.
 
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#7 Posted : 12/31/2011 6:09:28 PM

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If you're looking to escape society and live life in the wilderness, I'd highly suggest Papua New Guinea. Watch the BBC documentary "Lost Land of the Volcano"...all three parts and you'll see what I mean. It's pretty much one of the last places on Earth (besides Antarctica) that is remotely visited and explored by the known world. THE most remote country, however, is Tristan da Cunha which has a total population of ~270. The only problem is that the only way to get in is to send an email to the government specifying when you plan to go, where you intend to stay and the purpose of your visit. As for living there, I don't know....

If you're more of a mountainous kinda guy, I'd suggest somewhere in the outskirts of Canada (along the Rocky Mountains). Keep in mind that no matter where you go, you're bound to come into contact with society.

At the end of the day, you're going to want to know what it's like living there (wherever that may be). In this case, I'd suggest you start using this site as your travel guide: Wikitravel. As the name suggests, it's pretty much a Wikipedia for travelers. Search the name of the location and it'll pretty much tell you everything you want to know about being there. Good luck on your endeavors...some of us are right behind you BTW.
 
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#8 Posted : 12/31/2011 6:15:57 PM

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I almost forgot. If you're not concerned about cultural differences and whatnot, I'd also suggest the Sinai Peninsula in Egypt. It's an AMAZING place and I've met foreigners who've visited the area and decided to stay with the Bedouin in the area. They live THE MOST SIMPLEST of lives and they have no worries whatsoever. The herbs are fresh, the food is fresh and delicious, and the water is all natural from the wells of the mountains. Plus, it's a sacred area in the Islamic, Christian, and Judaic faiths. No traffic, no hustle and bustle, no noise. Just pure tranquility and serenity. I've spent months there and I have no doubt you'll enjoy it there as well. Plus they got good hash Pleased
 
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#9 Posted : 12/31/2011 6:46:19 PM

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Thank you for all your input everyone.

South America would be awesome. I can't really do much traveling now because of work. But as soon as I get the opportunity I would like to visit and maybe have an Aya session with a real shaman. Smile

The scandanavian countries all sound nice also. Mostly I just want to live a simple life close to nature, but not necessarily living in the wilderness.

I'm going to have to say no to Egypt, having spent a year deployed to Iraq, I don't have any desire to live in that type of climate/environment.

Canada is a definite option. My wife is close to her family so it would be much easier to visit them as opposed to a much further country.

Thank you for that link XeR0. I will check that out for sure. And once again thank you for all the great ideas everyone. Now I just have to convince my wife to move to the amazon river basin with meLaughing
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#11 Posted : 12/31/2011 9:12:49 PM

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Hi There! I'm honestly in the same situation. I'm debating between Canada, Europe & Mexico. I think I'll stalk in the shadows a bit.. I'm curious as to what everybody else has to say.
 
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#12 Posted : 12/31/2011 10:13:58 PM

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Well after browsing around a little bit, Norway sounds pretty great. Beautiful countryside, yet still developed. And it shouldn't be too hard finding work. 2.5% unemployment rate. 91% of its population speak English so there won't be that huge language barrier to overcome right off the bat. It just sounds great all around. Guess I'll start saving and see where I'm at in a few years when my contract with Obama is up.
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#13 Posted : 1/1/2012 6:03:19 AM

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We can't run from corruption and tyranny, the people need to wake up, stop watching the television and think for themselves or then dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter. The government exist for the people by the people. The power is in the people, one must never loose sight of this, America may be asleep right now, but I pray she awakes. As Thomas Jefferson said, "Every generation needs a new revolution." But I am losing a lot of hope for my fellow citizens seeing these past years unwind. It's as if they don't even care about their freedom as long as they got a big-mac and Jersey Shore they are happy....
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I've had the same considerations. While I really like the independent nature of the Icelandic society, I've been leaning towards a less developed South American or Asian nation.

The benefit of moving to an extremely poor country is that you could
1. Make the move at a fairly low cost.
2. You would be bound to make a great impact on the population you are joining.
3. Where there is less infrastructure, there is more freedom, and more potential.

South America, especially Argentina and the southern tip of Chile really appeal to me lately. They have very cool landscapes, Highlands, and bogs.
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#15 Posted : 1/1/2012 11:32:49 AM
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Norway might have 2.5% unemployment but something your forgetting IMMIGRATION. Good luck(sarcasm) I have relatives there and still couldnt just move there. The cost of living is high there too. An immigrant unless had special skill(bout the only way a USA citizen or non-3rd worlder could) would starve on a low pay job. Ive looked into Canada as a tradesman and have a chance BUT it still takes 5 yrs better under work permit before citizenship. About the only place you can just MOVE and denounce your citizenship is to south america. Not to be negative, just a reality check as I have felt the same way as you and HAVE looked into it. Just getting a work visa to Australia is a burden.

I forgot to add.. one thing to remember as an American, we are EASY on folks without a work visa, if you get caught wetbacking in Canada(or any other commenwealth country) you go to JAIL.
 
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Make sure to check into visas before moving.. It's not as easy as you make it seem, oldtripper, at least it depends on the country you're moving to in South America.

Also trying to learn the native language is a must, at least make some effort beforehand to know some basics. If you are wealthy and are moving to a poor country, be sure to not show that you have money, you might attract an attention you dont want (which you will anyways already, at least to some extent, due to being foreigner).

Good luck!
 
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#17 Posted : 1/1/2012 2:21:25 PM

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gory dkalz wrote:
seriously considering moving out of the US in the next couple of years.Now my question to you all is what country would you suggest moving to and why? Smile


-The sensible thing to do would be to go backpacking in Asia and Latin America, etc, etc, to get a taste of these countries before you EVEN THINK of choosing a country to settle down in. Remember that We are all different and have varied tastes on many a level so it may not be wise to listen to others opinions-delve into YOUR psyche, what appeals to you??. First hand real life travel experience not only will give you experience of what these cultures are like, but will also provide the reasurring instant feedback that you will find far more helpful than years of research could ever do.

-I would suggest Latin American countries and Asia because you can work in the tourist centres, or Capitols teaching English, etc. However, i suggest you get about a bit before you choose a Country. There might be a better one for you out there! Wink
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#18 Posted : 1/1/2012 4:37:33 PM

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If an escape from bigotry and ignorance is the main reason for moving, I would strongly advice against coming to Norway. Hypocrisy is widespread in the public dialogue, politics are about the same as in the U.S., and as for personal liberties, a recent december 2011 survey reported that 88% of the population actively support the war on drugs.

However, if you enjoy seasonal affective disorder, 25% sales tax, super high costs of living, soviet style state monopoly on countless services, and much more, then you should absolutely move here!

Norway is great for holiday visits, lots of nice stuff to see, but personally I'll be relocating my everyday life away from here within 6 months.
 
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#19 Posted : 1/1/2012 5:39:52 PM

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meatsim has brought up a good point. To ensure that the place you plan on going to is a good place, ask someone who lives there. Make some friends and ask them what they go through on a day to day basis. Can't get any better than that really...
 
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#20 Posted : 1/1/2012 6:14:09 PM

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Wow, thank you for that information meatsim. I didn't come across all those facts on my search.

So on south America.. Does anyone have any experience actually living there? I really want to plan a trip to get down there in the next year sometime.

And I realize there is a legal process to go through to immigrate to almost any country. I would research and find out all the proper steps to do everything legit.
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