Assuming the universe is alive, and having always been in existance and aimlessly floating around empty space, the universe would be very bored.



Life, when I say life I mean everything, has a general tendancy to pull everything towards some type of end state, such as caterpillar to butterfly, complexity building upon complexity.



This complexifying appears to be happening faster and faster. What used to cause a cascade of change calculating to 3 billion years now arguably could be experienced in a matter of weeksn in our lifetime.



The odd questions that arise is why does it do this, what created the universe, and what honestly created that.



See, if every faction of life has a higher variable equating it's existance, then it's an infinite loop, quite a conundrum. The real question is why is anything here in the first place.



I mean, anything. At all.



Has anybody ever had this feeling? The feeling of why everything has sprung out of something that had never existed before, and what for?



It's a carnival type of feel, the universe appears to be like a carnival, it's dressed up in beauty and fun and has much entertainment, but underneath it all there's the possibility of death, eros. After all, if the lady in the star shpangled costume falls from the tight rope, she dies. That's the whole suspense of her act.



The archetype of reality is the circus.. without doubt.



Is it possibly the whole point of existance is a power struggle... but then again why a power struggle, what started the power struggle in the first place.



I would like to assume the universe is made of mind, or at least is now. It had been readifying itself since its boom into existance for the art of being perceived, everything evolved towards a state where mobile animals developing senses of hearing, sight, depth perception, language, memory, etc, could gain an upper hand, and appearing to now blast the world into the brink of existance. While carring the human imagination to its end state.



This is it, an end state.



I beleive the universe cherishes novelty, complexity, evolution, and with that said, we are the apple of its eye. We are the bees knees of what's occuring in reality, without a doubt. This sector of our universe is our most immediate locale universe we know, and every passing moment is the most complex and diverse moment the universe has ever known.



Perhaps once the very last primate has blown himself up (I say himself cause no woman could ever screw things up this bad, except Hillary Clinton), I think our collective minds will all converge back as one, as they always have been, and we will realize this was all a vacation away from our real states. Our real states of mind, and where we all really want to be.



Living naked, in the trees , stoned, intoxicated on plants, unified with nature, accepting of ourselves and everyone around us.



Living as one, in the hands of the goddess.

You forgot Margaret Thatcher and all of my previous girlfriends, but we shall see. Place your bets now!

Yes i am sure many of us have had this thought.

Life is still a mystery, the phenomenon, of us evolving from slouching hairy monkeys, into slouched caveman with little to no words of communication, maybe grunts. I believe in the notion that mushrooms were a catalyst to our evolvement.

It is very bizarre yes and it's surely is a very long process i do not think things just sprang into something, it is just how it has unraveled and our perception of of everything how we have labeled it, i mean how do we know that a rock is a rock, it could be anything, but that is the name it has been assigned.

As for things seeming to be getting faster and faster, i don't know fully how it can be explained, but i do know as we grow older as humans, our internal clocks speed up, so time does seem to go faster idk maybe that could have something to do with it.
And yes we have been existence for a long time, imagine all the information that has been stored, and carried along through history.

"and we will realize this was all a vacation away from our real states. Our real states of mind, and where we all really want to be."

I am already where i want to be
i don't think we were on vacation maybe some of us, i think we just came to a point in our evolution were we thought it was good enough, and ever since we have not tried to add more to it. we have been brain washed by the ideas of what life is.(grow up get job, family, kids, retire, thats it) least this is what i grew up to believe from what i was taught.
You are right in the sense that all of our minds are connected, unfortunately many do not know this, instead of being connected with everyone, and being your own individual, many instead of being individual from everyone else, they instead copy what everyone else does, segregate themselves in separate clicks, separate trends which all have there own beliefs. idk where i was going, i honestly lost my train of thought, i am going to cut this off here hopefully some of my ideas was something you were looking for.

The universe as a cosmic drama is a principle of some Hindu philosophy.

i think about creation pretty much everyday. And you will too, thats the funny thing about this kind of stuff. Once you step across this spiritual threshold, theres no turning back.

I'm not sure if anyone can really answer your questions, because theyre your questions, not ours. Life itself is the greatest puzzle you could never imagine, it's incredibly bizarre yet perfectly beauftiful in every which way.

The end state you speak of is a good place to start, but being the infinite existence that it is, the end state is always a new beginning. It will never end, and in the same sense it never really began. Is life getting more complex, or is the ultimate state of complexity teasing us, while lying just out of our view? Where does everything begin, and nothingness end? Or are they equal parts of the same whole?

You seem to have a lot of knowledge of things, but you fall a little short on understanding. You've studied the world around you, and all it's workings, but maybe haven't spent quite as much time looking within. Maybe do a little research on mindfulness. More importantly, mindfulness of your own mind. The space between your ears is the only tool you'll ever need. Maybe consider it's importance in this whole drama before worrying about what keeps the planets in orbit, or what song creation dances to. And I mean the space between your ears.

good luck

If the universe is alive, then my guess is that its perception is non-dual in nature. If it's experiencing boredom, then it's experiencing boredom and not boredom at the same time. If it sounds too theoretical, it's the way my perception works in some of the full blown mystic experiences I've had. Also, if boredom is a function of time, and the universe truly exists independent of space-time as Einstein hypothesized, then without time, how can one experience boredom in the first place?

You are quite the seer my friend.

Your not insane. Just be patient.. Let everything fall into its proper place. ;p

Yes I agree, let it all flow together

http://www.youtube.com/w...nwik&feature=related Alan Watts pretty much sums it up for you. You are on the right train of thought.

I dont want to be rude or insult dear beliefs. But I will post because this post goes against much of what I have seen and experienced. I look around and experience things i've noticed that life (microbes, viruses, bugs, animals) is common here on Earth but intelligence is uncommon.

We are in the tinyest of corners in the Universe. Beyond small. Maybe like ants or microbes but I'm not sure we're that important to all that spinning hugeness out there. Maybe we're smaller. I feel humble. I dont claim to know the mind of God or even if God exists. I'm not at all sure the whole Universe is alive. I don't know much but it seems more like a machine to me.

Why do you think life pulls to complexity and speed? Life seems messy to me as I live it and watch others live it. If I want things to be neat and complex I have to think and work hard. The sincere natural state of things seems to be a big mess. Speed seems to be part of my society. Always wanting a G4 not a G3. Not all societies or times were like this.

I say life is a circus if you make it into one. The point of existence seems to be to bring in the next generation and to always hope it will do better or have a better chance than you. That's what I see.

I have no idea what created the universe but the idea that it is made of mind seems strange. My life is filled with inanimate and nonmindful objects. And when I watch science shows on TV it seems nature is also.

Sorry but living naked in trees, stoned, high, unified with nature, accepting is not where most people I know want to be. I don't think any people has ever lived unifed with nature. We use it up, say we own it and fight wars over it.Even before technology and before Euro/White ideas kind of took over. In general people don't accept anything it seems. Denial is the beginning-even when I saw my father die I looked for more breath and thought I saw him for weeks after. Treehouses are for kids. I like to get high but most of my life is sober so I can get things done like raise my child.




Maybe you are the one who is very bored?

Uhm, what? I don't think he "fell short on his understanding" at all. He seems to be plenty mindful... Granted, everyone could always be a LITTLE more mindful, no ones perfect, but give this dude a break, and get off your high horse. You may have said some relevant and valid things, but nothing that was anymore profound than what the OP had to say, so no need to be condescending. Oh wait, there's no need for that anyway! You're not fooling anyone but yourself.



No. You are just oblivious, and/or in denial.

Life is just self organizing chaos But intelligence is not uncommon at all, you only need to stand back and take a look at the bigger picture.

http://visual.ly/differe...tween-humans-and-animals

You take things too literally, I don't think anyone was proposing living in trees and being high all the time, but rather use what ever tools we have to awaken from the deep amnesia that we're in, and become aware of our actions and the consequences they have on the environment in which WE all live.

Maybe we are just a very small part of this Universe, but we're not unimportant. How can a PART of an organism be unimportant to the function and the point of existence of that organism?

Hi Chronic,

I don't think flyinflyout's post was at all condescending and not at all self-righteous ('get off your high horse' - sounded to me like they are just as interested in this as we all are and simply offered their 2 cents. I hope you don't at all find this patronising but this is an internet forum, and it's easy for someone's attitude or tone to become misconstrued - this is why it's better to further question a person's point so as to ensure a person's opinion/comment is clear. This way we keep the peace at the nexus, the threads remain tidy and minimise the chance of interesting threads simply being derailed into uninteresting and nonconstructive bickering.

I digress, I'm more interested what you thoughts are in regards to the OP's actual remarks, what are your thoughts on the matter?

As for myself, it's something that I have struggled to get people to acknowledge for years, it seems very few people I have met (who have not had a psychedelic experience) seem to be able to grok the very essence of this point.

Isn't it unfathomably strange that anything, anything , should exist at all? These things that we consider to be space, time, matter, life and everything in between - why should they exist at all? The fact that something can either exist or non exist, that there is even a polarity is mind boggling to me. It astounds me that most people that I pose this concept to, actually "haven't really thought about it before".

I certainly have no answers for these oceanic questions and agree with you somewhat regarding the further complexification of the universe, again, the mind boggles how matter could have one day first became what we consider 'biological life' - how did that first step get made? Are the laws that genetic information abide by, the rules regarding RNA and DNA replication, somehow engrained with the basic laws of physics themselves?

How groundbreaking it would be, if this were found to be true and all the things that that would entail. Does this mean that 'biological life' can simply sprout up where favourable conditions apply? Why these certain conditions as opposed to other conditions - why are they favoured? Why are there any physical rules, why must the universe follow any sort of rationality at all, let alone exist?

I believe the universe nurtures novelty, complexity, evolution, - but not exactly the "apple of its eye". I strongly believe that there are countless star systems, planets and regions of the universe inhabited by both biological and non-biological intelligent 'life' forms. I find it highly improbable that any of these life forms would in fact resemble us in anyway identifiable to us - we may not recognise intelligent life if we came across it - that is not to say that we are not unique in the universe, just that we are one of many countless unique conscious lifeforms.

Tell me, universalshaman, you say "After all, if the lady in the star shpangled costume falls from the tight rope, she dies. That's the whole suspense of her act." - where have I heard this quote before? Very familiar to me.

I've listened to Alan Watts' recordings where he explains the Universe as a Drama. It's quite interesting. I think what he tries to convey is that the Universe is all happening together. He goes on to say that the Sun is just as subconscious as the beating of our hearts. We try to separate our selves from the Universe by using words like we, I, and you and we live throughout our lives like we have a job to do or act to play.
Alan Watts also compares the Universe to a stream. On the banks of a stream you might find tiny swirls of waters that seem to move around and grow and shrink. The swirls are not separate from the stream; they ARE the stream. It just seems as though they are somehow different. We are much like these whirlpools in that we ARE the Universe in motion.

I love your post. Thank you.

Seems like you have been pondering what is really going on in the universe for a while. I too have been researching ideas like this for years. Here are some cool links that kinda answer (to a degree) your questions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technological_singularity

You're right about everything speeding up. Exponential growth (especially in computers) could transform the world, even the UNIVERSE in the not-too-distant future. We do appear to be heading for a singularity where we should (hopefully) see Strong A.I.s and other profound technologies (nanotech, genetic, etc) emerge. The world could become a very different place in a few decades.

Also, on the 6 Epochs illustration check out "Epoch 6"...the universe literally wakes up!

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dxZy2...Zsk3E2Q/s1600/epoch6.png

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega_point

An end point/ ultimate fate of the universe? This could be it, the Omega Point. If true then everybody that has ever lived will be resurrected as emulations inside a simulated reality. I love this idea.

These two ideas kinda reinforce the Teleological Argument (purpose/direction in nature).

A great read with respect to the subject matter is Everything Forever - Learning To See Timelessness. This is a beautiful mathematical/physical analysis where the author posits and explores in vivid clarifying detail what is essentially the same truth as that which the omega point theory points to.

I've posted this before, but it never really got much feedback so I'll post it again since it seems relevant to the discussion.

From The Cracking Tower, by Jim DeKorne.

"What better way for God to know himself than to divide his awareness so that he can observe objectively as creator and subjectively as creation?"

The author also talks about how many esoteric philosophies refer to "us" as being thoughts in the Mind of God- "objects" that "Consciousness-Without-An-Object" has been imagining for eons:

"One of the first things we learn is that emanation consists of a hierarchy of awareness. The Kabbalah explains that the Ein-Sof (Logos, Brahman, whatever) made ten emanations called Sephiroth, vessels to contain the light (consciousness) pouring into them from Consciousness-Without-An-Object's imagination. These vessels weren't able to contain this outpouring, and in what Kabbalists describe as a "cosmic catastrophe", the vessels shattered in into innumerable pieces and scattered throughout the realms of hyperspace, each fragment containing a spark of divine light (that's us). The main task of every Kabbalist is to "raise the sparks" of his or her own separated consciousness to reunite with the Ein-Sof that emanated them."

"Every sentient entity in the multiverse is both an observer and an object of perception, and the source from which they emanate is the Primary Observer, which is unadulterated Consciousness itself. Before emanation, perception can not take place because perception involves both an observer and that which is observed."

and

"[The universe is apparently] constructed (and thus in such as way as to be able) to see itself. But in order to do so, evidently it must first cut itself up into at least one state which sees, and at least one other state which is seen. In this severed and multilated condition, whatever it sees is only partially itself...But, in any attempt to see itself as an object, it must, equally undoubtedly, act so as to make itself distinct from, and therefore, false to, itself. In this condition it will always partially elude itself." (55)

"Thus consciousness is prior to observation. Combine this logical necessity with emanation and we see that whatever the Cosmic Mind imagines cannot be separated from its source. It follows then, that as the matter-energy created within this explosive act of imagination expands and fragments, becoming ever more complex, each emerging monad of fresh awareness perceives as a subjective fractal of the objective One Mind in whatever dimension it finds itself. Hence universe becomes Multiverse."