Hello everyone!

I'm wondering if anyone has experience with any of the above plants?

I know Maikoa a little too well from one experience (will be posted when I get back to my flat tomorrow).

My issue is not the experience but I believe I have suffered a few long term, intermittent, effects from the plant.

The medicine the inner stalk pulped, the liquid drank and the detritus was rubbed on all of my upper body skin.

The summary is about 8 hours full on peak, then we (2 of us) were to far gone so the Shaman doused us in the river to bring us round. Next, 8 or so hours in a transient state - still way over the edge. Finally, after sleep there were 2 more days of being 'at the edge' but capable to survive.

Let me tell you, the experience was incredible yet I have a have a few intermittent but lasting symptoms similar to anticholinergic poisoning. Intend to try a steady supplement of choline, piracetem and alpha-gpc to tackle this.

Anyone have thoughts or experience on this?

I'm not sure about the other two but Datura(aka Jimson Weed) is a potent and dangerous drug. I would not recommend it as it is very easy to OD on.
The effects are also quite unsettling IMO. I tried it once taking 15 seeds. It blurred my vision and I saw purple blobs floating everywhere. Not the best
experience.

This stuff is just poison. Belladonna alkaloids aren´t psychedelic´s, they´re deleriants.

In extremely small amounts (less than ten seeds) these plants have a medicinal value and they can also be used as an admixture in brews.
When taken in large amounts, they turn you into a mindless zombie.

Set and setting is of no relevance, and neither is your personality or experience with psychedelic´s. You turn into a zombie, your mind disapears.
It put´s you in a coma-state while fully awake. You´re not able to think or reflect on what you´re doing.

In other words: you cannot use large 'hallucinogenic' or rather, deleriant amounts of them in a responsible manner because the part of you that knows the meaning of the word 'responsibility' is gone.

Stay away from it.

Maikoa is a type of Brugmansia, and Brugmansia is pretty much Datura.

I went so far over the edge, while still being physically here.

The spirit world and this world collided. Spirits were wandering around as real as you or me. I could talk to them, feel them and my friend could see and talk to the same spirits as me. I wouldn't recommend it due to the risk (which I was unaware of at the time) but I had a lot of fun, learnt a little and questioned a lot.

I agree. I wish I had researched the actives in the plant more before trying it(although I did know about the side effects).

Not the type of drug to be messing around with.

Did you have any lasting effects?

I know my induction into it was quite extreme, but I was out in the Amazon and had my shaman to guide and support me.

^^ I am seconding Polytrip quite literally on the zombie thing. Wade Davis wrote an interesting article on how you literally can use these plants to create the closest thing possible to a zombie.

http://science.howstuffw...nge-creatures/zombie.htm

It is described in the link above.

The blurred vision subsided after about 40 hrs. I didn't really have the feeling of connecting with spirits I just felt confused for the most part.
Much like the feeling when you wake up right out of REM sleep. Groggy and lost.

These drugs are discouraged to talk about here on the nexus and for good reason.

In trip dosages, they make one have delusions and not hallucinations. You cannot even tell whether what you are seeing is real or not.

Please stay away from these because IMO, they have no psychedelic/therapeutic value.

btw, if you suffer from lingering anticholinergic poisoning effects, first of all, see a doctor.

Secondly, you could consider doing an iboga-session or microdosing iboga. Iboga is an acetylcholinesterase-inhibotor and it stays in your blood for a few months.

Well from my experience I can see that frequent dosages would cause that. Some of the spirits actually ask you to stay the forever.

I won't be touching the plants again, and due to a barrier of language the plant was described as Malicowa and I didn't make the link to Maikoa until much reading afterwards.

I can assure you that you do not know what you are seeing is real or not. Luckily, my shaman was their to guide us.

In your opinion they have no value BUT the concept of a shared vision and both people being able to speak to the same spirit in a 3 way conversation is pretty difficult to understand!

I think that it is good to talk about it so as to discourage people from partaking in the drugs.
I wish I was given more of a warning before I had tried Datura..

thanks for that comment. Now I've made the link I will be talking to my doctor about this.

Iboga is an interesting idea to deal with it. Thanks

I once made this remark in another thread:



Kind regards,

The Traveler

I have no Datura experience, But i believe that it makes you choose our living reality or the spirit reality-but unlike other psychs which show you, Datura means serious business..ie, you CAN die and become a spirit, etc . I dunno, but if you have earthly ties that are important, then treat Datura, etc, with EXTREME caution, or risk not coming back!

the anticholinergic reaction of datura is similar to an overdose of benadryl. It causes extreme delirium. Ocassionally i will eat 2-3 datura stramonium seeds to combat psychedelic nausea of certain plants, this is well bellow the toxic range.
I generaly prefer not to use it.