..the dodgy canadian 'lsd' was distributed around 6-7 years ago..oh, and it was said by many to be very 'non-visual' compared to real lsd..
i have read that the early 70s 'Orange Sunshine' (made by Sand) was reputed to be ALD-52 (and really liked for it's smoothness)

To try and answer the OP...

This is extremely variable.

1st) As others have said, it can be rather difficult to truly say if what you have is actually LSD-25. There are many similar chems that have been passed off or even mixed together to produce a product that ineveitably gets sold as L. Afterall, no one goes out looking for DOM or LSA or whatever.

2nd) Different people respond differently to different chems. This can be especially pronounced with LSD. Depending upon one's psychological state... and set and setting, this can even be different with the same L for the same person.

3rd) The potency IMO has more to do with the freshness and handling than it does with the mcg amount (to a point). An invisible and negligible weight of crystal can flip your lid for over 24 hours. Fresh liquid can be mind bogglingly strong, and clear. 100mcgs of fresh liquid is preferable to 400mcgs of blotter. If the liquid is kept away from light, air, and warm temps, it can stay pretty damn good, but time alone will take L that could rock your world well into tomorrow with 2 drops and render it stuff that (while still fun) can be kind of mild and only last 8hrs or so with 4 or 5.

Once the liquid is laid on blotter or another medium, the deterioration is generally quicker. Unless it is wrapped in tinfoil and kept in the fridge, it will begin to deteriorate rather quickly. Blotter that is being touched a lot and torn from a sheet can be variable in the extreme. With the edge pieces getting the most touching, they are usually the weakest. And a grimy dealer might be keeping his stash on his body and thus at temps generally not conducive for storage.

Aside from pure crystal (or freshly made liquid) of a known origin and age... the strongest L you are likely to come across is what is known as MOP UP. This is generally head stash, and not for public consumption. It is the stuff that the guys who lay the L keep for themselves. Generally people have some extra thick and absorbent blotter to mop up the extra liquid between laying pages. As the stuff absorbs liquid, dries, absorbs more, dries again etc. it is often 5 0r 10 times as strong as normal blotter. A tiny corner of a tab can be like 2 or 3 hits... and it is generally only had by people who are in the know, so degredation and age tend to not factor in. People who are used to regularly dosing normal stuff that goes around can have their entire worlds rocked by a tiny piece of mop up.

Anyway. This probably didn't help you. I guess the best advice is to find some people closer to the source and get as fresh and well handled stuff as you can. Like with many things, the providence is all about trusting the chain of acquisition.

Man, I wish I knew. So far I could never get reliable info about how many mics in a blotter. Based on research (other people's reports on subjective effects), I would guess that for me the fun starts around 150-200mics.

Higher than that, I don't know. yet.

With noribogaine flowing in my system I have been floored by 50 micrograms (lab tested) of slightly oxidized LSD.

100 is all I need these days, as it consistently takes me where I want to go, complete with universal visions and all the other lovely things LSD does.

If n milliliters contain 100 micrograms of N,N- diethyl- D- lysergamide and a blotter contains 400 micrograms N,N- diethyl- D- lysergamide how can that be the same ? Or are you maybe talking about a blotter that was laid at 400 micrograms quite a while ago and is now a mixture of LSD and various degraded products ?

I have had tabs that have just given me giggles for 8 hrs, and acid that has made everything into a fractal swamp off one tab. I remember one time I was tripping so hard I could not see the floor when walking, and the walls of the bathroom turned into cascading waterfalls while taking a slash. I find it pretty unpredictable and yeah degradation surely comes into the equation.

150ish mcgs on a blotter is well more than enough for me to melt into the oneness of the cosmos and have out of body experiences. But then again I've always been pretty sensitive to psychedelics.

400 miccrograms (usually 4 tabs) of blotter that has done the rounds is generally not anywhere near that potency. It may not be possible to ascertain the degradation or the amount of substance that has been wiped away, but even well handled stuff simply loses something with time.

Unless you have ever had the pleasure of trying some truly fresh stuff, you might not understand the difference. I can say that fresh stuff kicks the crap out of even moderately aged stuff by a huge margin, but that doesn't even do it justice. There is a qualitative difference in effect that is akin to the difference between playing a video game on a new machine tricked out for speed and graphics vs. playing a similar game on an old game boy.

first time I took LSD(I have only taken 3 times maybe 4) I had 2 hits of blotter..given to me by a hitchhiker my friend and I drove up a mountain overlooking the beach we just finsihed surfing to a lake where he wanted to camp out. They guy had tye dyed jeans and leary's book of the dead, filled with blotters. He also had some berries, a load of bread and a tarp . We warned the guy of grizzleys and cougars in those woods(we were in very remote area of vancouver island) be he insisted. The guy had been camping out around the tofino area for a while I guess just eating acid.

He told me to take 2 hits as I was eating alot of mushrooms at that point in my life and smoking salvia. Needless to say, it worked...very very well. The whole damn old growth forest lit up like a christmas tree in neon lights..lasted about 7-8 hours, was very clean feeling and had an aura of synconicty that lasted the entire day. Even 1 hit of that blotter could have been decent I should think.

Never had LSD work like that ever again. I like that memory of LSD. I have no interest really in taking it again though, as anything I would ask of LSD ayahuasca and mushrooms can give me already..but LSD is something special. The 4 most healing ones I have worked with would be mushrooms, ayahuasca, cacti and LSD..

I did have one morning glory experience as well that was definatily on par with that first LSD experience..but I could never repeat that either with older seeds.

Probably just need to get better blotter if it is not taking you there.

Have you ever had a microdot ? How would you compare that to fresh liqud, due to the fact that microdots are the most stable form of medium, in my opinion ?

Microdots tend to be good. As are the gels that circulate from time to time. But I am telling you in all sincerity... find some stuff that is really fresh sometime. It will change your life.

THANKS! It's so awesome to hear some reports of known dosages of LSD. I read your analyses of different LSD sources (both liquid and blotter) 38-160ug.

I found it really curious that liquid doesn't necessarily mean stronger—although many a dead head would argue tirelessly with me.

This is an awesome project. Thanks so much.

I couldn't say if I'm generally more sensitive or "hard-headed" to psychedelics. Sometimes I require less than others, sometimes more, sometimes equal. I tend to exhibit a greater range (I get effects from both low and high doses), but this could just be a preference for nuance versus an actual sensitivity. The lowest active doses I've taken are 1/4 tabs of acid, 7mg 2CB/2CT7/5-Meo-DiPT, and 0.3g P. cubensis.

IME my number of "doses" compared to endlessness's effects with micrograms are as follows:

50ug / 1 drop liquid - 1/2 blotter

100ug - 1 or 1.5 blotters

200ug - 2 blotters

300ug - 3 blotters

500 - 5 blotters

I've taken doses of 7-12 blotters and felt effects like I would imagine 700-1200 micrograms. VERY VERY STRONG. Entity contact. Similar to DMT in vividness. But a happy 2-3 blotters has always put me in a great place visually.

I am very happy to read this. Sensuality is a big part of the trip for me but, if it were the only part, my consciousness, sense of self, and life in general would not have been so drastically changed for the good.

I can't offer any help regarding dosages since I've never really asked about mine. I started out doing 1 hit but quickly stepped it up to 2 hits for the rest of my history with the drug. I only did 3 hits once.

1 hit: Everything looks, sounds, feels, amazing. A few hours in, the trip gradually becomes less sensual and more spiritual/cognitive.
2 hits: Previously listed effects are amplified. At this dosage I experience synesthesia; hearing shapes, seeing sounds, etc. Unity with the supreme consciousness and ego death.
3 hits: Same effects as before but for longer.

My impression is that Unity with the supreme consciousness and ego death are as far as the trip goes. I think that is the end of line for LSD experience (for me, at least). That's why DMT was so shocking to me when I first tried it... DMT is LSD as LSD is to sobriety.

There can never be a definitive.

In the 90's I would have trips described above as 200ug and up trips from one commercial blotter. Every now and then I would have seemingly 500ug or more in one or two blotter hits. Felix the Cat, Beavis and Butthead were very widely distributed for years and were consistently one hit trips. I never even considered taking 4 or 8 or 10.

Then "amber" laid on white paper was widely available for years, and was again dosed consistently with what is described as a 200ug dose, and sometimes the heavy hits of 500+ in ONE dose.

We were very social in our trips and I am confident everyone was tripping every bit as hard as I was.

I never has a 20 hour trip, most were closing shop right at the 12 hour mark.

Perhaps I am sensitive to psychedelics, perhaps we all were, perhaps we were unknowingly close to the source and freshness is key.

One thing I will say is I did get the sense that the deeper I went into LSD trips the more sensitive I became to it.

I have found for whatever reason that LSD is different almost every time it seems.

Sometimes it is more of a mind experience, while sometimes it is more visual. Sometimes 1 tab and sometimes 5. And then of course the visuals take on different natures between each batch too for whatever reason as well. Sometimes it is more rainbow, sometimes more green and purple, and sometimes more yellow/blue/green.

Not sure why.. but only trials will tell. Hopefully someone can figure it out for the mystery that has been intriguing humanity for some time since the 60s ya?

I bet none of this mystery existed when Sandoz acid was freely available.

Many reports from the 50s/early 60s go along the lines of - I took psilocybin and it changed my life, then I took LSD and never looked back. A lot of reports now are the other way 'round. Back then LSD and psilocybin were freely available in known doses. Now, only psilocybin is relatively freely available in a way where dosage can be titrated consistently.

For this you have to thank the deliberate suppression of LSD by entrenched power structures which were threatened by it.

That's my historical reading of it, at least, as someone who wasn't even born at the time.

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There are a lot of misconceptions about LSD, especially when it comes to dose. A lot of folks don’t realize how powerful LSD really is, and thus buy into the microgram hype street dealers often perpetuate. A lot of doses aren’t laid that strong these days. There are people getting 14-20 ten-packs out of a gram of LSD crystal. That used to never happen. The standard was 10 ten-packs per gram of crystal, sometimes using 1.25 grams of crystal to lay out 10 ten-packs.

Purity of the crystal plays into this as well. Doses are laid to certain dosage of LSD crystal per hit. If we’re talking amber crystal that limits the dosage. Amber crystal is generally around 60%-70% pure. So if someone is laying some, let’s say 65% pure amber at 100 mics a hit, each hit will only be about 65 mics per. If it’s fluff or needlepoint crystal those hits will be at least 95 mics per. I’ve seen a batch of fluff as high as around 99% pure, confirmed by GC/MS. If laid right, doses utilizing those crystals will be good & potent. However, as I mentioned previously, things aren’t the same, and I can say with confidence (as well as sadness) that many people are laying doses to 50 mics a piece with fluff & other crystals.

The average hit these days ranges from 40-80 mics. The really good one hit shit is a legit 100 mics. Some of those euro doses may be as high as 125…….but nowhere near the 200, 300 mic levels they’re being sold as. A lot of people don’t believe me when I say this though. A lot of people can’t seem to believe that 100-125 mics can have such a powerful effect. I refer those people to some of the studies done back in the 50s & 60s. Dr. Janiger’s in particular. Dr. Janiger generally used a standard of 2 micrograms per kilogram of body weight. That’s not a very high dose. For example; someone weighing 160 lbs would be given a dose of 145.152 mics, possibly rounded up to 146. A lot of those trip reports are wild; full blown psychedelic experiences, with many religious/spiritual awakenings. There are also some duds. LSD effects everyone differently, and some need more than others.
I don’t want to get into too much detail, especially considering I’m new here, and I have no wish to break the rules. However, some years ago I was in a position to know exactly what type of LSD crystal my doses were, as well as the exact micrograms per dose. I’m no longer in this position, and I rarely even use LSD anymore. It’s more of a reminder/nostalgia thing every now & again. I feel as though LSD has taken me as far as it can, and now is the time for other entheogens to work their magic.
I’m a hardhead when it comes to LSD; my first psychedelic experience was with a high dose of LSD (full ego-loss & rebirth) and that set the stage for my future usage of LSD. So my opinion on the matter varies from others. I know people that can under 100 mics & have wild times. Not me.
From talking with many people that have taken known amounts, here is a general list (obviously some folks will differ) ;

50mics – definitely high, electric feeling, altered thinking. Beats smoking a bowl IMO.

100 mics – definitely tripping, electric feeling, mind-state is definitely psychedelicized…sometimes to an incredible degree. Visually active; trails, patterns, colors, breathing & melting.

200 mics – Fully psychedelic, visuals become 3D, marked synesthesia, OEVs become much more obvious & enfolding, ditto for CEVs, incredible thinking patterns, memory recall, figuring stuff out. Possible ego-loss, possible spiritual awakenings/religious experiences.

300 – 500 mics – More of the same, but with much greater intensity. OEVs & CEVs are absolutely incredible. Close your eyes & forget where you’re at. Forget you have a body. Time warps. Ego-loss pretty much guaranteed. Spiritual awakenings, religious experiences, rebirth, etc. Overwhelming. Unable to see through the visuals at times. Experiencing death & rebirth

500 + mics – more of the same, but with a greater intensity. Living past lives, entering other worlds, expanding across the cosmos

1000+ mics – More of the same, but with greater intensity, reliving every moment, though, feeling, action, etc of your life. Dying and melting into the All. The White Light experience. Indescribable really.

Some people experience what I wrote for the last two dosages on far less. I just leaned more on my own experience, and that of others that were deep into the thing because most people don’t take nearly that much. All of us that do are very experienced, and hardheads when it comes to LSD.

As far as the old tails about 20 hour trips off one microdot? Maybe it wasn’t LSD. I’ve taken a lot of LSD in my life. I’ve had plenty of LSD that was as pure as it can get, and yes I mean just as pure as Sandoz. I’ve also taken LSD that was extremely impure. You can feel it. I know it’s a big debate whether purity can really affect the trip or not, but IME it does. That’s my experience, take what you will from it. I’ve never had a peak from LSD alone last more than 6 hours, usually it only lasts around 4 hours, then there’s a steep drop off & I’m high for another 6 hours or so. With 1000+ mic doses it’s a little different. Same timeframe/drop off, but it’s far more gradual. The comedown off of that is still really visual for a while. Whereas if I eat, say 300 mics, the drop off is quick. I’m still high, and there is still some visual activity, but nothing like before. The only time my peaks lasted longer when I smoked towards the end of it & got relaunched for the duration of the marijuana high. I was never high for more then 12-15 hours of LSD, and that’s with higher doses combined with weed towards the end. LSD alone, at an average strong dose of around 300mics…….that only lasts for 8-10 hours for me.

Guys, please let us NOT discuss here this kind of large scale hiding/smuggling even if purely hypothetical. This is really bad mojo, not representative of the community and can bring legal attention.

Sorry! Was just pointing out how impractical and wastefull such a plan would be, not to mention bad for the whole psychedelic community... I guess we're driving at the same point from slightly different angles, come to think of it, Mr. End!

I have removed all references to this. Like endlessness stated, we should not post such things on the DMT-Nexus since it attract the wrong attention.


Kind regards,

The Traveler