Some people seem to think that hyperspace is more real than this reality.

I have the impression that people who tend to think like this are often somewhat dissatisfied with consenus reality.

So let´s find out.

For me, when I'm on a journey and hyperspace completely replaced the consensus reality, the solid edges and the over-saturated colors give me the impression that hyperspace is more real.

That said however, I like our consensus reality too. Maybe they both are real, I just don't know.


Kind regards,

The Traveler

This is something I've been thinking about a lot lately actually.

I don't know what to believe. Although, I am more inclined to think that our reality that we perceive is a self generated illusion of sorts, and hyperspace is the universal reality.
So I voted for Yes- but I generally like consensus reality.

The fact is, though, I have absolutely no idea...

I think there's no such thing as separation on the matter of something being more real than "normal reality". Basically I believe there's one reality, that has every level of experience in it, that includes hyperspace and other "crazy things".

..i'm still undecided which way to vote..
i usually like consensus reality, but occasionally not all of it..
the degree of 'realism' in hyperspace increases, for me, with ascending 'altitude'
..sometimes it's, like Traveler said, 'more real' than consensus reality,
sometimes consensus reality reveals small 'flaws', this lead me to hyperspace, but
not all hyperspatial experiences are as 'accurate' as others..

..sorry to sit on the fence..i will vote eventually..

[OK voted option two - high altitude hyperspace experiences have made a significant positive impact in my everyday reality..
the level of information in there is truly a mystery to every bit of my intellect..]

A lot of time hyperspace can feel more real to me than consensus reality.

As beautiful and real as it may seem I can't function in there. I can only experience what it has to show me.

I feel privileged to be able to experience hyperspace. Weather its real or not I don't know. I do feel that this reality is where I belong right now and I feel more comfortable here.

I would vote that they are equally real although I really don't know for sure....

A total symbiosis of both..so therefore each is no more/less real than the other. After my first experience with DMT, it has definitely led me to believe that the realm we immerse ourselves in IS what many ancient traditions..the Upanishads...Bhagavad Gita..etc talk about. The realm of pure ever revolving/evolving spirit/totally impartial eg...god, consciousness, whatever. Just my few thoughts.

Everyday objective reality is 100% real but is not the say all- end all. There is that fundamental "something" that is ever-constantly working..imperceivable to the senses.

I personally don´t think consensus reality is absolutely 'real', but at the same time i definately don´t think hyperspace is more real. Hyperspace often feels more real, but i think that´s just part of the illusion.

To me, hyperspace doesn´t have to make sense. I think that like with dreams, you´re shown something from deep inside.

In one sense that would make it more real: at least you would know for sure that THIS is what´s inside of you...if that´s indeed where it´s coming from.

Perhaps this could be attributed to the generation of sensation directly in the brain as opposed to the middle-man method of experiencing consensus reality through physical relay of eye-optic nerve, etc that may dilute the vibrancy of 'actual' reality.

I am inclined to believe they are equally valid realities, simply experienced by differing methods.

..'real' is a hard word, but i think there's more information or detail, if one can hold on to or observe it in 'hyperspace', than is available in consensus reality..
often, in hyperspace i see the delusions of my everyday perspective..and the accuracy of this is verified, even years later, by ordinary observation..

The OP doesn’t define “reality”, and without a definition, we can’t say anything about the reality of everyday experience or hyperspace, let alone compare the reality of one to the other. Also, as the results of the poll are already showing, one doesn’t have to be dissatisfied with everyday existence to believe that hyperspace in more “real”.

I don’t think there is such a thing as “reality” – either here, there, or anywhere else. There is consciousness.

Some aspects of everyday experience more closely satisfy some of my “reality defining criteria” than does hyperspace, and vice versa. Since there’s no way to prove if everyday reality is “real”, the question is a bit absurd.

THIS ^^

Everything is real, everything is natural. At the distant edges of knowledge and meaning there is only perception to inform us. All experience is real in at least one sense because its perception is the result of a chemical process in the brain.

Some claim that the thoughts and feelings experienced on psychoactive drugs are merely malfunctions of the intoxicated brain. I am sure that many of us are familiar with this claim and the dead-ends it leads to when the claimant tries to define what proper brain function would be - how often they resort to a circular definition of proper brain function being 'how an non-intoxicated brain works'! It is easy for us to feel that these people are being foolish.

We should remember that we are also being foolish if we make the same mistake and fail to define what 'more real than our consensus reality' actually means - which we can only do by way of comparison to something which is mutually understood to be real. If we are unable to relate what we mean by 'real' to something the person we are talking to perceives as 'real' then we are making the same mistake of using circular reasoning that we criticised in their argument. That's a stalemate. We can do better than that.

The only thing we can be sure of beyond all positive proof is that nothing supernatural has ever happened or will ever happen anywhere to anyone. This is more than fact. It's tautology.

Merily merrily merrily merrily life is but a dream.

I voted for them both being equally real/illusory.
I believe it is just a matter of replacing a few neurotransmitters and we are able to witness a wide array of alternate dimensions.
I think our brains are wired similar to a radio that can switch between frequencies and channels depending on which way we choose to turn the dial so to speak.

I agree

Interesting matter.
In first place we dont have a consensus definition of reality.

Some people may think the material world exist and we are just conscious of it. These people may think everyday life is real, and dreams or trips are illusions, some distortion of perception of the reality, and so a fake.

Some people may think what we perceive as reality is -or could be- already a distorsion, and how we merge the perceptions with our own consciousness is absolutly subjective. These people may think everyone has its own reality, which is a own subjetive construction.

Another kind of people may also matter the visceral part, the emotional part as something own of the human being, even as what deffine us. These people may consider some of their psychodelic-spiritual experiences as something more trascendent and valuable than common perception.
> I'm among them, so I voted for the first one.


Thanks for asking

The word real doesn't sit well with me either ..and in a lot of ways the question does seem sort of meaningless to me, as Gibran pointed out

But If someone asked me if I think we can experience more of the universe/multiverse/mind while in the hyperspatial mode..then the short answer would be yes . I think in a sense we're dissolving the filters that process incoming data, and in doing so we can glimpse a wider range of the information coming in... How does this work?? Who knows! It just seems to play a part in what's going on here from what I can tell

Who really knows what reality is. For all we know psychedelics could just be showing us a technology we don't understand.

Is it just me or when you do DMT you see lots of mechanical things that are completely in synchronicity with each other? That seems to be a reacurring thing in my DMT trips.

When I break it down it's really not that far fetched. Have you ever envisioned yourself going back in time, lets say to the Roman Empire days, and while you're there your first instinct is to show them your new technology, let's say a gun. You're showing a gun to people who go into battle with sword and shield. To them a gun would be mind boggling. They wouldn't understand what you were trying to show them. The reason I bring this up is what's to say that when we do psychedelics we are seeing past this "real world" we believe we live in and it's nothing but a artificial reality created by a much advanced species. Just like the people in the roman empier wouldn't understand our technology, what makes us any different? If we saw a technology much more advanced then we could ever think of, would we even know it?

I don't know if anything is more real than anything else. However, when I am in full force hyperspace, I get the impression that consensus reality is most definitely NOT "real". I don't know if that makes hyperspace more real, but it just feels like consensus reality is an illusion.... and hell, who could deny that consensus reality is an illusion? It only exists as long as you have an extremely complex machine (your brain), working. Take away those neuron connections and the world does not exist for you. Life IS an illusion, to the extent that it only exists because you are preprogrammed to experience it as you do.

Is the dmt realm the true realm? A non programmed realm? Well, that's what it feels like to me, anyway. It feels like something within says, "this one single thing is the only thing there is, ever was, and ever will be". And that one single thing is the most fantastic and beautiful thing I could imagine, and far beyond that.

I, like Gibran2, universecannon and others figure this depends a lot on what you mean when you say real. Even so called consensus reality is rarely ever truly a consensus. (just look at two police reports from the same accident or event)

The classic film Rashamon does a good job at hammering home the fact that we all experience the same things quite differently. Even when many of the major features are similar or even exactly the same... our interpretations of them and the perspective we have in relation to objects and events can cause one person to perceive a comedic situation unfolding while another person might see the same thing as a terror filled thriler.

I chose to look at this poll in terms of "more real" meaning closer to the absolute and fundamental truth despite the fact that this truth (IMHO) lies well outside of the consensual reality... so much so that it renders our entire waking life existence nothing more than a seemingly stable and dense type of dreamworld. At any rate, if we think of the true structure of Existence as being multi-dimensional and not bound by linear time, then the Hyperspace experience brings us a lot closer to that than our daily dramas in the supposedly material world do.

So, I answered yes, but I dig consensual reality. Knowing that it is a construct doesn't diminish my feeling of marvel at what we have created here. It is not a mistake to be corrected or a travesty, but rather a highly advanced form of play. IMO. Remembering or intuiting that we choose to come and play this dreamtheater here with each other doesn't render it meaningless or boring, but actually removes the tedium and fear that tend to set in when people take all this rather too seriously. Then, as the great Don Juan Matus was fond of saying, we can use our "controlled folly" to play our roles with extra gusto.

Anyway... that's my 2c.

Peace y'all... Happy New Year all my freaky peeps. May your GVG's and chalices runeth over.
HF