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Did we just get officially f#cked over?(In america) Options
 
vovin
#141 Posted : 12/20/2011 8:26:34 PM

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If or when SOPA goes into effect places like the nexus will also be gone fast. It gives them unlimited power to take down anything. They'll be workarounds I am sure but use will be risky.
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#142 Posted : 12/20/2011 8:29:46 PM


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Stop Online Piracy Act vote delayed

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#143 Posted : 12/20/2011 8:33:14 PM

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On Guarde'

http://www.pcmag.com/art...2/0,2817,2397826,00.asp

It's called Ye Olde' Bait n' Switch
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#144 Posted : 12/20/2011 8:34:55 PM


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vovin wrote:

On Guarde'

http://www.pcmag.com/art...2/0,2817,2397826,00.asp

It's called Ye Olde' Bait n' Switch

touché

grrrrr.
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#145 Posted : 12/20/2011 9:56:09 PM

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I mean this is already in effect albeit under the radar. Anything they REALLY don't wait they take down anyways this is just the logical conclusion of the past quarter century of our rights being chipped away at. I don't see anything changing though, they have the people to locked up in a game of republicans - democrats - republicans - democrats for anything to change.

I mean has a state every REALLY respected human rights on an individual level? If a state wants to knock out someone it will happen. Rights don't exist when they are granted by the same agency that throws you into prison ffs.
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#146 Posted : 12/22/2011 7:15:45 PM

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Anon Pawning today:

http://www.washingtontim...ps-personal-data-online/
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#147 Posted : 12/22/2011 7:22:45 PM


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Ya, they are on a mass dox'ing mission it seems. I wouldn't want to be a politician atm.

Anyone upset by NDAA / SOPA / PROTECT IP should be looking into #OpBlackout.
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#148 Posted : 12/23/2011 5:39:57 AM

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They cut the cameras in Congress....
http://www.politicususa....ensorship-boehner-c-span
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#149 Posted : 12/23/2011 7:36:11 AM

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a1pha wrote:
[quote=vovin]Anon Pawning today:

http://www.washingtontim...s-personal-data-online/[/quote]
Ya, they are on a mass dox'ing mission it seems. I wouldn't want to be a politician atm.

Anyone upset by NDAA / SOPA / PROTECT IP should be looking into #OpBlackout.


Your link gone now as well.... Any thoughts on keeping the forum going if its pulled from this server ? Traveller has a mailing list No?
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#150 Posted : 12/23/2011 8:02:45 AM

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Iain1 wrote:
a1pha wrote:
[quote=vovin]Anon Pawning today:

http://www.washingtontim...s-personal-data-online/[/quote]
Ya, they are on a mass dox'ing mission it seems. I wouldn't want to be a politician atm.

Anyone upset by NDAA / SOPA / PROTECT IP should be looking into #OpBlackout.


Your link gone now as well.... Any thoughts on keeping the forum going if its pulled from this server ? Traveller has a mailing list No?
Keep safe


Here. The link in the post was messed up because the bracket was included. Although, you do raise a good point, probably suitable for an entirely different thread. I'd like to see this forum transferred to the darknet if worse comes to worst with SOPA, and net neutrality in general going to the dumps.
"'Most men will not swιm before they are able to.' Is not that witty? Naturally, they won't swιm! They are born for the solid earth, not for the water. And naturally they won't think. They are made for life, not for thought. Yes, and he who thinks, what's more, he who makes thought his business, he may go far in it, but he has bartered the solid earth for the water all the same, and one day he will drown."

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#151 Posted : 12/25/2011 2:32:49 PM

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Sopa Is dying Go Daddy pulled their support as mass boycotts across the country cost them 70,000+ domains so far.
http://www.techi.com/201...is-week-its-not-enough/
Anon hacked a security firm Naughty anonymousRazz :
http://www.zerohedge.com...ncludes-mf-global-rockef
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#152 Posted : 12/26/2011 8:09:26 PM

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Saidin wrote:
polytrip wrote:

No, the majority of the lybians hated gadaffi. He had a large base of support, true. But not a majority at all.

I have no illusions about the true reasons for western intervention in lybia. But he WAS a very brutal dictator who killed tens of thousands of innocent people, if not more.

It´s not a black/white world. Not every enemy of western imperialism is a gandhi.


Never said it was a black and white world. Never claimed he was a good guy, and certainly not a Gandhi. But he certainly was not as brutal as western propagandists made him out to be. I would be interested in more information about these sources claiming he killed tens of thousands of 'innocent' people. If you got that from the mainstream media (ie: propaganda press) it is highly suspect and likely blatantly false information.

Some of the things we do know about his rule:

Free Education (country had one of the highest literacy rates in Africa)
Free Health Care (if they couldn't perform the procedure in country, the govt paid to have you flown to a country where the procedure could be done)
Yearly oil stipend to every citizen of Libya
$50,000 wedding gift to anyone who got married.
Largest aqueduct agricultural project in Africa, he literally turned the deserts green.

And just so you know, one of the primary reasons the west went in to take him out is that he refused to accept dollars for Libyan oil anymore, requiring gold instead as payment. The international banking cartels could not stand for that.


Hi everyone,

Great commentary here. A lot to be learned.

I just want to chime in on Gadaffi - very important point you made there. We must stop thinking in binary fashion - i.e. was he "good" or "bad" ?

I was intrigued by his death, after I recently came across this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciB_GDiBQ2k

which piqued my interest greatly. Yesterday, I googled him for more info and was surprised to find many and more of the claims in the video substantiated in wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi
Quote:

Libya enjoys large natural resources,[49] which Gaddafi utilized to help develop the country. Under Gaddafi's Jamahiriya "direct democracy" state,[47] the country's literacy rate rose from 10% to 90%, life expectancy rose from 57 to 77 years, equal rights were established for women and black people, employment opportunities were established for migrant workers, and welfare systems were introduced that allowed access to free education, free healthcare, and financial assistance for housing.[50] In addition, financial support was provided for university scholarships and employment programs.[51] Gaddafi also initiated development of the Great Manmade River,[50] in order to allow free access to fresh water across large parts of the country.[50] The country was developed without taking any foreign loans, and, as a result, Libya was debt-free.[14]

Quote:

Libyans have described the Great Manmade River, a project initiated by Gaddafi, as the "Eighth Wonder of the World".[60] The Great Manmade River also holds the record as the world's largest irrigation project.[61] Gaddafi also initiated the Libyan National Telescope Project, costing about 10 million euros.[62]


I am somewhat of a self educated finance head (zerohedge!) and what struck me as TRUTH instantly was the significance of Libya being a debt-free country that produced SOUND MONEY not FIAT money (ohh how we HATE that!), one of the top oil producing nations, a vital supplier of oil to Europe (especially Italy), the largest FRESH water supply in Africa, and most damning of all - Gaddaffi's desire to create a gold backed dinar, an African Union, and to start trading oil in that new, gold-backed currency.

This is exactly what Saddam Hussein wanted to do before we took him out for WMDs (what a joke that was, eh?)

Good, bad, I don't know. As humans go, probably both and as politicians do, extreme ends of the spectrum at times. Was he eccentric, certainly. Did he accomplish great things for his country as a whole? Apparently so. I would love a $50,000 handout when I get married. Check out his amazonian guards:



Anyone interested in geopolitics and America's role (especially CIA involvement) in overthrowing many, many freely elected leaders check out the excellent book "Killing Hope" by William Blum.

http://killinghope.org/

What you will find is that this has happened, many, many times in the past... and I believe, the current events today are the plans outlined in PNAC (Project for a New American CenturY) turning, rolling forward... it's all planned IMHO. There are no mistakes. There are no "reactionary measures." WE (USA) are the belligerents, we impose sanctions, through NATO enforce no fly zones, and as always, fund the rebel group today turned terrorist group tomorrow of the day with weapons, munitions, and logistical support.

Several half billion dollar+ oil contracts are already spoken for in Libya by our oil companies.

One of the first things the Transitional National Council of Libya (the "ragtag rebel group.."Pleased did was create a Central Bank. If ever there was a red flag that something more is going on, that some shadowy arm is exerting its will...

Another excellent geopolitics site:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/

 
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BTW

For those who are curious about the media "news" conglomerate :



#1 General Electric
$100.5 billion
1998 revenues

GE/NBC's ranks No. 1 on the Forbes 500. Prior to its merger with NBC and an alliance with Microsoft, GE specialized in electronics. The peacock owns many New York sports team. It also owns or has equity stakes in many popular websites, including Snap.com and iVillage. NBC includes programming, news and more than 13 TV and radio stations.

Owns 25-50% of the following:

A & E (with Disney and Hearst)
American Movie Classics (25%)
Biography Channel (with Disney and Hearst)
Bravo (50%)
Bravo International
CNBC
Court TV (with Time Warner)
Fox Sports Net
History Channel (with Disney and Hearst)
Independent Film Channel
MSG Network
MSNBC (50%)
National Geographic Worldwide
News Sport
Prime
Prism (with Rainbow, a subsidiary of Cablevision, and Liberty Media, a subsidiary of TCI)
Romance Classics
Sports Channel Cincinnati, Chicago, Florida, New England, Pacific, Ohio, Philadelphia


#2 Time Warner
$26.8 billion
1998 revenues

The largest media corporation in the world, Time Warner owns film and music production companies, theme parks, sports teams, magazines, websites and book publishers as well as Turner Broadcasting. TURNER BROAD-CASTING includes sports teams, programming, production, retail, book publishing and multimedia. WB Television Network.

Owns:
HBO (75%)
Cinemax
HBO Direct Broadcast
Court TV (33% with GE)
TBS Superstation
Turner Classic Movies
TNT
Cartoon Network
Comedy Central (37.5% with Viacom)
Sega Channel
OVATION (50%)
Women's Information Television (WIN) (partial)
TVKO (75%)
4 regional all-news channels
CNN
CNN/SI (with Sports Illustrated)
CNNfn (financial network)
CNNRadio
Headline News
Sportsouth
CNN International
CNN Airport Network

#3 The Walt Disney Co.
$23 billion
1998 revenues

With its 1995 merger with Capital Cities/ABC, Disney has become a fully-integrated media giant. In addition to its theme parks, the company profits from retail outlets, magazines, book publishers, websites, motion pictures, sports teams, TV, cable, radio, music and newspapers. ABC
includes ABC Radio, ABC Video and ABC Network News.

Disney Channel
Disney Television (58 hours/week syndicated programming)
Toon Disney
Touchstone Television
A&E (37.5% with Hearst and GE)
Lifetime Network (50%)
ESPN (80% with Hearst)
ESPN2 (80% with Hearst)
ESPN Classic (80% with Hearst)
ESPN West (80% with Hearst)
ESPNews (80% with Hearst)
Buena Vista Television
Biography Channel (with GE and Hearst)
History Channel (37.5% with Hearst and GE)
Classic Sports Network
E! (35%)


#4 Viacom
$18.9 billion
1998 revenues

Viacom's purchase of Paramount, CBS and Blockbuster Video enables them to use cable, television, movies, comic books, theme parks, music publishing and book publishing to cross-market their products. Broadcasting alone brings in over $6 billion in revenues. CBS
includes stations, CBS Radio, CBS Telenoticias and CBS Network News. UPN includes programming and TV stations (50%).

Nickelodeon
MTV
M2: Music Television
VH1
Showtime
Nick at Nite's TVLand
Paramount Networks Comedy Central (50% with Time Warner)
TNN: The Nashville Network
Movie Channel
FLIX
All News Channel (50%)
Sundance Channel (45%)
Midwest Sports Channel
CBS Telenoticias (30%)
Home Team Sports (66% with News Corporation)


News Corporation
$13 billion
1998 revenues

CEO Rupert Murdoch's style has inspired respect and fear, and it has also made his multinational ventures in publishing, television and satellite services very successful. The company owns 20th Century Fox, the New York Post, the London Times, TV Guide, many stadiums, the LA Dodgers and five New York sports teams. FOX includes programming and stations.

Fox Family Channel (50%)
Fox News Channel
fx (50% with TCI's Liberty Media)
fxM (50% with TCI's Liberty Media)
Fox Sports Net (25% with TCI, GE and Cablevision)
The National Geographic Channel (50%)
FIT TV Partnership
Regional networks, including TV Guide Channel and Fox Sports New York
 
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#154 Posted : 12/27/2011 10:28:42 AM
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toxic8 wrote:
Saidin wrote:
polytrip wrote:

No, the majority of the lybians hated gadaffi. He had a large base of support, true. But not a majority at all.

I have no illusions about the true reasons for western intervention in lybia. But he WAS a very brutal dictator who killed tens of thousands of innocent people, if not more.

It´s not a black/white world. Not every enemy of western imperialism is a gandhi.


Never said it was a black and white world. Never claimed he was a good guy, and certainly not a Gandhi. But he certainly was not as brutal as western propagandists made him out to be. I would be interested in more information about these sources claiming he killed tens of thousands of 'innocent' people. If you got that from the mainstream media (ie: propaganda press) it is highly suspect and likely blatantly false information.

Some of the things we do know about his rule:

Free Education (country had one of the highest literacy rates in Africa)
Free Health Care (if they couldn't perform the procedure in country, the govt paid to have you flown to a country where the procedure could be done)
Yearly oil stipend to every citizen of Libya
$50,000 wedding gift to anyone who got married.
Largest aqueduct agricultural project in Africa, he literally turned the deserts green.

And just so you know, one of the primary reasons the west went in to take him out is that he refused to accept dollars for Libyan oil anymore, requiring gold instead as payment. The international banking cartels could not stand for that.


Hi everyone,

Great commentary here. A lot to be learned.

I just want to chime in on Gadaffi - very important point you made there. We must stop thinking in binary fashion - i.e. was he "good" or "bad" ?

I was intrigued by his death, after I recently came across this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciB_GDiBQ2k

which piqued my interest greatly. Yesterday, I googled him for more info and was surprised to find many and more of the claims in the video substantiated in wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muammar_Gaddafi
Quote:

Libya enjoys large natural resources,[49] which Gaddafi utilized to help develop the country. Under Gaddafi's Jamahiriya "direct democracy" state,[47] the country's literacy rate rose from 10% to 90%, life expectancy rose from 57 to 77 years, equal rights were established for women and black people, employment opportunities were established for migrant workers, and welfare systems were introduced that allowed access to free education, free healthcare, and financial assistance for housing.[50] In addition, financial support was provided for university scholarships and employment programs.[51] Gaddafi also initiated development of the Great Manmade River,[50] in order to allow free access to fresh water across large parts of the country.[50] The country was developed without taking any foreign loans, and, as a result, Libya was debt-free.[14]

Quote:

Libyans have described the Great Manmade River, a project initiated by Gaddafi, as the "Eighth Wonder of the World".[60] The Great Manmade River also holds the record as the world's largest irrigation project.[61] Gaddafi also initiated the Libyan National Telescope Project, costing about 10 million euros.[62]


I am somewhat of a self educated finance head (zerohedge!) and what struck me as TRUTH instantly was the significance of Libya being a debt-free country that produced SOUND MONEY not FIAT money (ohh how we HATE that!), one of the top oil producing nations, a vital supplier of oil to Europe (especially Italy), the largest FRESH water supply in Africa, and most damning of all - Gaddaffi's desire to create a gold backed dinar, an African Union, and to start trading oil in that new, gold-backed currency.

This is exactly what Saddam Hussein wanted to do before we took him out for WMDs (what a joke that was, eh?)

Good, bad, I don't know. As humans go, probably both and as politicians do, extreme ends of the spectrum at times. Was he eccentric, certainly. Did he accomplish great things for his country as a whole? Apparently so. I would love a $50,000 handout when I get married. Check out his amazonian guards:



Anyone interested in geopolitics and America's role (especially CIA involvement) in overthrowing many, many freely elected leaders check out the excellent book "Killing Hope" by William Blum.

http://killinghope.org/

What you will find is that this has happened, many, many times in the past... and I believe, the current events today are the plans outlined in PNAC (Project for a New American CenturY) turning, rolling forward... it's all planned IMHO. There are no mistakes. There are no "reactionary measures." WE (USA) are the belligerents, we impose sanctions, through NATO enforce no fly zones, and as always, fund the rebel group today turned terrorist group tomorrow of the day with weapons, munitions, and logistical support.

Several half billion dollar+ oil contracts are already spoken for in Libya by our oil companies.

One of the first things the Transitional National Council of Libya (the "ragtag rebel group.."Pleased did was create a Central Bank. If ever there was a red flag that something more is going on, that some shadowy arm is exerting its will...

Another excellent geopolitics site:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/


Adolf hitler also did some good things for germany.

No matter how many good things gaddafi has done for africa and libya, he´s still a mass-murderer.

And that´s not just western propaganda: Beside the fact that he repeatedly admitted having supported terrorism and other mass-murderers like idi amin, he has said himself that he was planning to 'exterminate all the rat´s' in benghazi and elsewhere...city by city, street by street, house by house, room by room.

Don´t make the mistake of aplying double standards: if a western leader would say such things, i don´t think you´d see a comment like 'he´s a good guy'.

Western imperialism is bad...that doesn´t make any enemy of western imperialism good.
 
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Gahdafi is a friggin fruitloop.
The people are taking on the elected one at a time now:
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The paranoia culture that has grown around all the unaltered knowledge that the internet has offered is amazing. I've had some insanely bad trips due to my own hyper-vigilance and constant intake of information that is not the most heart-warming stuff to read.

My mind always seems to tug equally in either direction. One side says, "Yes, we are screwed, but there's nothing you can do to change it, or anyway to tell when it will come." Another side counters it, "Yes, you are paranoid, some people need this illusion of everything being life or death in order to drive them towards some type of greater goal."

The world is in shambles of a state and it's hard to believe that we can continue "business as usual" for another decade or two, and it's also quite hard to believe that we can change quick enough to make a difference.

But if I had to choose from two choices of a 1984-esque world that is being hinted at more and more, or a new dark-age in the lines of Mad-Max; I'd choose the second as a lesser of two evils. Just thinking of what life would really be like in either scenario makes my fight/flight mechanism flutter. Perhaps my mind has just been warped beyond recognition, but all these "for your protection" agendas being pushed alongside all the other evidence of FEMA, Agenda-21, and the UN's dastardly intentions tend to be staring us in our faces though the average person seems to have their nose too far in the grinding block to notice.
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Had to post this.

a1pha attached the following image(s):
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What a difference a day can make. Last night the community decided from one post that they should shoot down a sopa supporting congressman. It wasnt decided on till this morning and already it's making news all over.

http://www.ibtimes.com/a...a-reddit-rob-zerban.htm

When you have the momentum I guess things can go wild. That zerban guy really did play this perfect and his quick response kept it from loosing steam. I think things like this show us that the public does want to do something and they are just looking to latch onto something they think might work. They no longer have the OWS outlet o they are now going home and logging in.
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OBAMA Just Ninja Signed the NDAA:
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...Moreover, I want to clarify that my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens. Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a Nation. My Administration will interpret section 1021 in a manner that ensures that any detention it authorizes complies with the Constitution, the laws of war, and all other applicable law...

...While section 1022 is unnecessary and has the potential to create uncertainty, I have signed the bill because I believe that this section can be interpreted and applied in a manner that avoids undue harm to our current operations....
 
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