new Anonymous video you got less than 24 hours suckers.
After whats happened all the politicians in office know they are out.
I think they plan on a governmental regime change.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGySZ-KcEy0

I'd go with a Rokon

so at what point do we decide to leave the states? is this kind of like Germans leaving the country before all that crap went down in WW2? might be a naive question, but I really am curious what other people think.

When elections come around that is when things will get out of hand. Mid 2012 another resurge of tea party and ows will awaken.

Yeah, if Ron Paul gets the Republican nomination, or decides to go independent, or Gary Johnson has a good chance to get elected, i think thats when the gloves are going to come off. Everyone knows either of those candidates up against obama would be a pretty big threat to the powers that be. And i have faith in them to call obama out on his bullshit, especially ndaa, etc.

But who knows, they could get elected and turn all this nonsense around, nullifying the need to flee the country. Then again theres always the JFK scenario if they don't agree with who gets elected POTUS.

I would say now if you have the chance, it's getting pretty risky to be a US citizen i think. I would leave but I am dead broke. so I'm stuck here for now, until the US military decides that I belong in a FEMA camp...which could be soon. This is really scary stuff guys. I would pray that our interstellar brothers and sisters come down and put a stop to this foolishness pretty soon, because I know I'm no match for the US military. Another scary thing is that when I watched that Anonymous video vovin posted every computer in my house froze, probably a coincidence but I'm more and more paranoid by the day so it freaked me out.

does anyone beleive that our government is just trying to distract us from a much bigger?

Whats the policy for posting an infowars link? Would that be considered conspiracy? because i just read one that will blow your mind.

PrimateSphinx: I have another 3 weeks and then I'm actually starting a trip going out of the country so I will get to watch what happens over the next 4 months from elsewhere. I'm really hoping I can find something and not come back, but who knows.

alex jones can be pretty laughable, but i would say go ahead and post it..

I'm flying back INTO the country tomorrow, staying in the US for a month!

One question I had was at what point is it your responsibility to leave vs responsibility to stay and fight?

I'm depressed, bummed out. It's tough to make long-term plans in times like this. I was very motivated, career-wise and art-wise, just a few days ago. I'll snap out of it, in time--already feel better than yesterday.


The thumbing of the nose: whenever "they" do something audacious, there is always a "thumbing of the nose" in there. The same bill that establishes martial law in the US also legalizes beatiality in the military. I call that the "thumbing of the nose" AKA the Fnord. Just checking to see if everyone is still asleep.



Anyway, in order to climb out of my lathargic, astonished and shocked state of lassitude, I'm going to prescribe a change of focus. From the frivolous and artful and also fiscal concerns to the more imminently pragmatic. Survival stuff. Gardening, hunting (raw veganism may not always be an option), wild edibles and stuff of that nature.


Someone tell that frog to jump already.

The sheer disbelief is what gets me. Most people are just downright unwilling to accept that these events are going on. They just refuse to believe reality even when they are inundated with facts. It's because to accept this would mean the realization that everything is about to end. Think of the implications no bill or rule is going to change any of this.

No new president will lead us out. The moneys gone people were beyond broke. Now comes the time for the fall of the American empire. As will come the fall of the EU. All were doing with any attempts to stop it is just buying time. it's inevitable, Americans lived far beyond their means for far too long and then went bankrupt waging wars for unjustified reasons. I think we went beyond the point of no return a few years ago.

my biggest concern for me is that I don't want to do anything out of fear, and when I think about going elsewhere it's always from a fear perspective. who knows though, maybe in this case fear is a friend and being helpful in that it's causing us to think and prepare. what do you guys think?

I read a very good article on the decline of America prosperity a few weeks ago (can't find the source atm)

In it the author described the economic expansion we experienced after WWII was an anomaly brought about by the neccessity to rebuild after such an excruciating time. Since money was flowing so freely and there was so much work to be done, Americans in the previous generation became complacent and assumed that this was the norm in America. Unlimited economic expansion is an impossibility which no one ever stopped to consider back in those days. When things did start to run dry and any sort of economic downturn started to creep in, to sedate the American people our leaders decided to engage in rampant borrowing and estabilishing the Federal Reserve as a way to keep the illusion of economic growth prominent in the people's eyes.

However all of these temporary economic band aids that have been going on for decades now has been an absolute farce. The mortgage bubble is an example of this. When times looked so good it was encouraged to live outside of your means because the mentality was 'well one day things will get back to normal and we'll be all set'. Again, this goes back to a delusion in our country where we think unlimited economic expansion is a given in a free country. The current recession IS the norm now... there isn't a way to go back to that level of growth without another world war that pretty much devastates everything.

I won't bring up political consipracy theories, but any rational mind would assume that those at the very top are well aware that the proverbial shit is hitting the fan and are preparing to do whatever it takes to exploit our populations as long as possible. Thus the NDAA act, the Patriot Act, Internet piracy laws, etc. All ways to restrict our ability to see for ourselves what's happening until it's too late for us to do a damn thing about it.

The old saying applies 'those that do not learn from the mistakes of history are bound to repeat them'. Think of Terence McKenna's timewave zero application. He said 'Rome falls 9 times a day', meaning history repeats itself in cycles. Alexander's empire rose to great heights, then fell to pieces. Rome in it's era was the most powerful civilization of our ancient past, and they too fell to ruin. In more recent years, our closest parallel both economically and militarily the Soviet Union disintegrated practically overnight.

I'm with Vovin about the sheer lack of disbelief people have that this is a reality. I've tried to explain to my own father how we are not any different then the Soviet Union and we could collapse just as easy. He always argues with me, saying that can never happen in America cause we are a free country. Free country my ass!! Are we really all that better then soviet era Russia? Have we learned that we can't police the world or else we'll fall apart, as Rome had to learn years ago? What makes America different than any other empire in antiquity? The answer is NOTHING.


(PS. Actually after having posted this I remembered a conversation my dad and I had recently about the mentality of 'manifest destiny' that was pushed on him in his generation. In his day he told me the world was considered untouchable. You could travel from one end of this country to another but that was it. Running out of resources was an impossible idea because of how untouchable the world was. Now the world is a like a global community for all of us, especially considering the internet, but decades upon decades of believeing that we could never really impact the earth in any way leads us to a lot of our current predicament. Nobody started us down this road because they had specific evil intentions, they were just blind and ignorant of their own choices and actions. My dad says a lot of his generation see that today and he's even apologized to me on behalf of his generation for 'fucking it up for the rest of you'

Any nation on this planet is capable of collapsing regardless of their position in this world. It just means the more powerful they are, the uglier the collapse will be.... aka the bigger they are the harder they fall I got my eyes on Barcelona, Spain as my getaway or Lisbon, Portugal but the money situation is dire right now. I'm barely making enough to have a somewhat "comfortable" lifestyle without bill collectors turning my phone into a hotline..... :evil: putting back little bits and pieces of cash when I can but I've been dipping in my savings as of late...

Tell your dad if he hadn't screwed it up we would have. I am thinking of taking to the seas. Maybe we should start our own pirate fleet.I can tell you this however. This whole world is going to go back to the days of your dad, untouchable if the govt cracks down. The internet is off. News and papers controlled. Say goodbye to the nexus and pretty much any other site you use to gain info. With a flip of the switch they turned the internet on. They can turn it off as well.

I dont think the US is going under I know it is and I know they know it is that is why they are taking preliminary precautions into turning this into a police state before the election so all of them can keep their offices. Voting suspended due to civilian unrest.

People rely too heavily on the Internet these days and I don't think the masses will be so happy if the gvnmt flips a switch, so to speak.

But even if they did, it would only further P2P darknets and the like. The Internet is a rapidly evolving entity which seems to work very hard against censorship.

That's a good point banana but I don't know what the feasibility of us winning would be with all the drone and spy technology that the military has these days. Seems like they would be able to take down and insurrection with the push of a button and without even deploying any troops. Regardless I'm stuck here for a while so I guess I'll just have to wait it out and maybe if things work out we'll go Red Dawn on their asses. Maybe if the military outright started attacking its own people we'd get some help from the Canucks or the Brits, but I wouldn't count on it. As Bill Hicks says America is the bully of the world, and we all know how violent and insecure bullies are. I think its going to take a lot more to win this one than just brute force but until then, They Live, We Sleep.