SWIM has been looking for intoxicants that fly under the radar when the "Big Brother" is busily analyzing his precious bodily fluids. He's been looking at entheogens like these:
Calea zacatechichi
Nymphaea Caerulea (Blue Lotus or Sacred Blue Lily of the Nile)
Mitragyna speciosa (Kratom)
Voacanga
Leonotis leonurus (Wild Dagga)
TABERNANTHE IBOGA (potent psychedelic!!)
Sceletium tortuosum (Kanna)
Passiflora incarnata (Passion Flower)
Piper methysticum (Kava Kava)
Damiana

From what he has read on here it appears that the most potent candidate that is not a strong psychedelic is Kratom extract. SWIM uses shrooms and dmt for psychedelic journeys but would like to find something that would replace (well approximate) the beloved cannibinoids. Any insights would be appreciated.

Pedicularis.

Of the appx. 600 species of Pedicularis it looks like you are referring to Pedicularis densiflora aka Indian Warrior. I see it has a tendency to absorb alkaloids from surrounding plants. Hmmm, I bet that could make it quite a variable experience. Thanks for the heads up! KTB looks like they have some pretty looking buds!

What about passionflower FLOWERS. I mean specifically the flowers, not the leafs, which have different effects. The flowers produce pretty good effects similar to MJ. Sort of hypnotic and lightly psychedelic.

Passionflower FLOWERS mixed with damiana is said to be very MJ like. But SWIM hasn't tried that combo. The flowers alone are very good.

Thanks!! SWIM is looking forward to embarking on a new learning experience and adding some goodies to his bag of tricks!

SWIM likes the kratom TINCTURES...they have 150mg of some alkaloid per 2ml..VERY nice..blue lotus is like MILD mdma..so maybe with the kratom tincture and blue lotus..you will have a nice combo...kratom is addictive though..so dont use it all the time..it is VERY NICE THOUGH

Yeah, Kratom is definately on the list. SWIM is thinking that 100mg Harmine hcl or THH dissolved in lemon juice under the tongue in advance will potentiate most of these too. It's amazing what it does for a small amount of spice!! Looking forward finding out.

Speaking of THH and MJ, on another forum a guy tried THH with MJ and had a visionary experience from the combination. Quite interesting. I never knew visions were possible with MJ.

i strongly agree ron69, sublingual THH potentiated and synergized with MJ quite well

as a replacement, MJ is something of it self. I have heard that the spice gold and diamond smoking blends come close to the MJ experience and should not activate any drug tests to my knowledge

the SPICE GOLD stuff..has a research cannabinoid in them..it might set off a drug test..

SWIM does enjoy THH and MJ..and does get visuals of a sort..but nothing like a visionary experience..perhaps he just wasnt trying hard enough..kratom on the other hand...mixed with MJ causes some NICE visuals...and kratom mixed with DMT is awesome..

im not sure you want to mix maois with kratom though..i think it might be a bit dangerous..if you do attempt it..use LOW doses...BE VERY CAREFUL!!!!

thanks jorkest, please watch out that my last post is probably wrong about the Spice gold and diamond products and their reaction with drug tests, google searches pull threads on other forums that say it does not interact with tests but in my quick search i only found unsupported statements

Hendrix studio reclamations send me into giggling fits of bliss when smoking MJ after THH ingestion

im not sure if it DOES set off drug tests..but i would say..better safe than sorry..

MJ can rival with LSD as a psychedelic. Somewhat less visual but more psychedelic (some would say, more mindfuck).
When you eat it, it's totally different from when you smoke it and other substances can indeed deepen it. The only thing is that tolerance for it's psychedelic effect builds up quick and lasts long while it's narcotic effect remains. That's why so many MJ smokers have no idea how psychedelic it can be.
Eat on an emty stomach after staying abstinent for at least 2 months about a gram of good MJ, processed in something small and fatty, like a cupcake or pancake. When combined with something like THH, it's at least as powerfull as a large dose of acid.
69ron, when you like acid and 5-methoxy, you must love this as well. Trust me, you will love it.

Spice Gold has JWH-018 in it which is NOT structurally similar to THC(which is why it is legal in most places, even those with analog laws). I don't think Spice Gold would trigger a test for THC(though it is probably possible to test for, it isn't likely).



It is defiantly visual for SWIM. He always says he gets all kinds of colors when he partakes in high-grade mary. He would even go as far to say they are quite strong(he sees pulsating colors in the dark and at a certain point, there are patterns overlaying everything and with enough focus, they slowly creep over the entire visual field).

Cannabis Subsitutes-

Verbascum blattaria ~ "Moth Mullein"
Leonurus sibiricus ~ “Motherwort”
Canavalia maritima ~ "Baybean"
Sida acuta ~ "Common Wireweed"
Zornia latifolia ~ "Maconha Brava"
Verbascum blattaria ~ "Moth Mullein"
Lobelia inflata ~ "Indian Tobacco"
Pedicularis densiflora & P. groenlandica ~ "Indian Warrior" & "Elephant's Head"
Passiflora incarnata ~ "Passion Flower"
Sceletium tortuosum ~ "Kanna"
Lactuca virosa ~ "Lettuce Opium"
Nelumbo nucifera & Nymphaea caerulea ~ "Lotus"
Mitragyna speciosa ~ "Kratom"
Leonotis leonurus ~ "Wild Dagga"
Nepeta cataria ~ "Catnip"


More to come...



I'd def. remove Kava, Iboga and Voacanga as you can't smoke them and I don't consider their effects to be cannabis-like. I'd also remove Calea and Damiana cause I don't think they are worth a damn as cannabis subsitutes. The other ones look good. All the ones are posted all make great smokes!

Great 'Coatl, thanks for your insights!

Ow Yes Mate. MJ is mostly nothing special but sometimes it`s damn psychedelic.ILPT must looked like mental retard after that smoke he just furiously surfing on his thoughts what make him a fairly detached from reality.

AND ONCE HE HAD 2 HOURS VISUALS.

Well it happened only once although sometimes when he get properly wasted patterns or flashy colouring distraction may occure

Back To Visual Experience:
Parrot`s sister smuggled (just simply flew above custom`s heads )small batch of JACK HERER (according to parrot wish ), purchased in some small underground coffeeshop located in South Amsterdam.

Roughly 0,25 g of it, 0,1 g of common white widow and some tobacco was rolled into fat spliff. This one was shared with close friend. Note: Also 2 Heineken lagers were ingested to kill thirst.

When ILPT finished his half of joint, he become nicely and accurately stoned just as he normally become.
But within the next 15 minutes the experience build up and made ILPT unable to talk, watch telly(some football) or socialising in any way. He become nauseous so he decided to visit toilet and he puked (lovely Heineken )
He brushed his teeth, grabbed glass of water and went to bed.
Fairly tired he closed his eyes, but instead of sleeping some beautiful visuals took hold. Absolutely lovely, friendly and enjoyable he saw mostly earthly things, human`s faces etc. all with high speed and intensity (not as intense as spice)
This great show last for about an hour and half and was very enjoyable because gave ILPT hallucination with lack of the massive mindfuck. Just nice dreamy and visionary state of mind.
However this happened only once, it was christmast time, maybe present from high santa . Thanx for that

ILPT reckon that this strain of Jack must be high on THCV (tetrahydrocanabivirin). This compound is said to be most psychedelic within the known naturally occurring cannabinoids and act as THC,CBD or CBN synergist

Unfortunately parrot sister forget where she purchased this Jack and is next to impossible get paws on pure form of THCV.

Any more info about THCV suspect? Anybody

DAMN RIGHT

Very True


Mate neither ron not ILPT dwelling in lovely Netherland. it`s hard to get paws on the best strains from the best cultivators. it`s Illegal over here and dealing is not as profitable as dealing hard drugs.
We can only dream about what you have over there.

If you would manage to find or grow hemp, even of average quality, there are plenty of ways to process the stuff, when you have enough of it, to make it work well. Hemp leaves for instance can be extracted.
Hemp-soup can be pretty strong.
But the availabillity of cannabis is indeed one of the things we dutch are blessed with.

Kratom + MAOI's (THH, Harmine, Harmaline in combination or seperately) = massive headaches. I advise against the combination.