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Citta
#21 Posted : 12/9/2011 9:34:55 AM

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I think you may have put more into my post than what I put into it. I believe in aliens, I never said I didn't. Why? Because life ain't so special, and as you pointed out, given the vast size of the universe, it would actually be unreasonable not to assume alien life. What my question is, is why people insist to believe so easily based on movies and photos like the ones presented in this thread, that these phenomena can be explained by "it must be aliens!" rather than the more likely scientific explanations that are there.

What the essential problem here is, a problem that applies to so many other things in society, is how people so readily abandons logic, reason and science. This is dangerous when discussing and making decisions in more serious cases.
 

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#22 Posted : 12/9/2011 10:58:51 AM

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Citta wrote:
I think you may have put more into my post than what I put into it. I believe in aliens, I never said I didn't. Why? Because life ain't so special, and as you pointed out, given the vast size of the universe, it would actually be unreasonable not to assume alien life. What my question is, is why people insist to believe so easily based on movies and photos like the ones presented in this thread, that these phenomena can be explained by "it must be aliens!" rather than the more likely scientific explanations that are there.

What the essential problem here is, a problem that applies to so many other things in society, is how people so readily abandons logic, reason and science. This is dangerous when discussing and making decisions in more serious cases.
True.

Although, I am not so sure that people are abandoning logic & reason... it is not clear to me that they all ever possessed those things in any great quantity.

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I think a lot of people... even rather smart ones, are afraid to follow logic and reason where it leads. Even esteemed scientists are often very reluctant to follow theoretical physics where it is clearly pointing.

Think about the amount of time since Guth proposed inflation, and Vilenkin & Linde showed that eternal inflation leads inescapably to the idea of a Multiverse, that it took mainstream science to even consider the validity of this concept. After 20+ years of ridicule, theoretical physicists are finally willing to admit that the Multiverse is the only theory of existence that explains the data we see. (i.e. the expanding universe speeding up, the tiny amount of dark energy we can detect, the nearly infinite number of configurations of coiled extra dimensions at the string level etc.)

These theories didn't make less sense then, they just threatened people's sense of what is real.

I think a lot of people will refuse to follow their logic unless they are backed into a corner and have no other out.

Reading the amazing convolutions that some archaeologists go through to try and explain away things like the modular, harder than steel, multi-ton, precision craftsmanship in some of those ancient ruins that are carbon dated to times that neanderthals were the dominant life form on the planet... makes you wonder if they actually know what Occam's razor actually is.

I don't think the leap to "It must be aliens!" is valid, but equally not the leap to "It can't be aliens!"
"Curiouser and curiouser..." ~ Alice

"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it." ~ Buddha
 
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#23 Posted : 12/9/2011 11:57:29 AM

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Hyperspace Fool wrote:

Reading the amazing convolutions that some archaeologists go through to try and explain away things like the modular, harder than steel, multi-ton, precision craftsmanship in some of those ancient ruins that are carbon dated to times that neanderthals were the dominant life form on the planet... makes you wonder if they actually know what Occam's razor actually is.


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#24 Posted : 12/9/2011 8:17:59 PM

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It's interesting and that's about all (I giggled when the guy in the video exclaimed 'this may as well be full disclosure for me'... seriously dude?).

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Haha that was kinda funny, his life is now completed

Thanks for sharing house, this is amazing, don't know what to fully make of it, gonna have to admit alien spaceship did pass through my mind but i don't believe it is, but it surely is cool and bizarre

Maybe it is a second planet that is coming into orbit.
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#25 Posted : 12/9/2011 10:48:16 PM

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Citta wrote:
Why? Because life ain't so special, and as you pointed out, given the vast size of the universe, it would actually be unreasonable not to assume alien life. What my question is, is why people insist to believe so easily based on movies and photos like the ones presented in this thread, that these phenomena can be explained by "it must be aliens!" rather than the more likely scientific explanations that are there.


I blame tv, especially the history channel and giorgio tsoukalos, cool as his hair may be. I do think some UFO videos are genuine though, obviously many are fakes but there are many that were shot waaaay before our nice digital animating technology that we have today ruling out people tampering with them. People just either use too much discernment or not enough methinks when watching videos like this and don't do proper research. Why do you say life isn't special? I mean I know it isn't special enough to kill a doctor over a dead fetus but I think this place is pretty spectacular no matter how lame it can get sometimes. Maybe you meant life on earth isn't unique because there's other life out there? clarification por favor?
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Citta
#26 Posted : 12/10/2011 9:49:31 AM

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Yes, I was refering to that life from a scientific materialist perspective probably ain't so special, as discoveries more and more show. Being alive as human beings however, is of course a very profound experience.
 
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#27 Posted : 12/13/2011 3:14:12 PM

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The probability of recording fantastic phenomena given the eyes and ears modern society now has and the masses of population scrutinizing this data strange things that look like something will occur.

Truth is it's a battle cruiser class VI with a antimatter cannon. I sent for it awhile back in case I decide to blast you all.
Got hammered forgot where I parked it.
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#28 Posted : 12/13/2011 11:50:34 PM

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#29 Posted : 12/14/2011 1:40:12 PM
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vovin wrote:
Truth is it's a battle cruiser class VI with a antimatter cannon. I sent for it awhile back in case I decide to blast you all.
Got hammered forgot where I parked it.

Navtec is optional on battle cruisers these days. Realy worth the investment, i would say.
 
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