my partner and i are very close. the only thing we have never talked about is spirituality. as this is becoming a bigger part of my life lately i have found i need to talk about it. Spice being a small part of that makes this quite tricky to talk about to someone that hasn't experienced psychedelics. iv tried explaining the role that these substances play in ones journey with little success.

what do i say!? i was trying to find a video that would deliver allot of information like "DMT the spirit molecule"

any ideas?

Not an easy task as the experiences themselves are highly subjective and defy rational explanation.

Baby steps would be my advice to you, dear seeker. Many people are not interested in spiritual existence and that is there right. I myself have a wonderful woman in my life who has no interest in spiritual things, but because she loves me so greatly I can discuss them with her and she will at least listen and try to understand for my benefit. Hopefully the special someone in your life will do the same for you.

Remember that when dealing with these things that they ARE subjective experiences. What you may be shown as a pink purple elephant roaming on a rainbow road smoking a cigarette might not be an objective event, instead it might in some strange way be an allegory to situations you must deal with in your own life to advance upon the spiritual path. I myself (if you see my avatar) was taken to an episode of the classic tv show Eureeka's Castle on my first real voyage. This meant absolutely nothing to anyone else, but to me I understood exactly what it was supposed to tell me about my own life. You're mileage may vary.

Perhaps I can share an important rule with you I was shown in psychedelic hyperspace: Rule #1... who you are, cannot be described. To try and describe your true nature and the experiences you encounter in hyperspace is difficult if not impossible to accurately convey to someone else. These are personal experiences and your road to the divine may be very hard to explain to another person.

So live by example. If you are show things you must change in your own life, instead of talking about it objectively where people will not understand instead live the lesson in your life. If you learn you must love more deeply to become more spiritual, don't talk about it just do it! Others will notice the change in you and that will tell them more of your experience then your words ever could.

And check back often with this community. There is a lot of love and understanding here, not to mention a plethora of information and 1st hand accounts from fellow seekers. Here, in this community, you can share your more wild experiences and we do our best to provide a community of support and personal development.

Until then, much love on your quest my friend. The rabbit hole is deep, but full of such wonders that it can profoundly effect your life, for the better.

wow, i really appreciate your words. i chose this forum for this very reason. thank you Tek

What a great post, Tek. I didn't expect to get sagely advice from this thread but sure enough there it is!

Honestly spaceshuttle I don't know what else there is to add. Act with compassion in your heart and things will work out fine. Spirituality is definitely a touchy subject for some people, and just outright off limits for others. I wish you the best, friend.

thank you very much, im glad there are such wise members here willing to help

I can appreciate the situation you're in. I find that my other half is (naturally) more open and more talkative after having some wine. I remember a few months ago we enemy out for dinner, had a couple of bottles of red wine and I can't remember how we got on to the subject (sorry, I know that's really the most important part), but it ended up me basically telling her a whole load on ayahuasca, DMT, the nexus, people's experiences and she was asking a lot about it.

So maybe this would be a good starting point, have a meal and a bottle of wine and she may open her mind to what you have to tell her. It's great in a long term relationship when you find a new interesting topic to discuss as the conversation can dry up from time to time.

just thinking there, another possible route would be to talk about marriage (if you are looking for that with her) and see if she'd want to get married in a church. As a lot of women and couples want this just for the look of it, then it would possibly bring up the subject of her feelings on religion and spirituality.

Good luck. And if she doesn't want to hear about it or won't accept your views she isn't for you.

Starting small and working your way up is definitely one of the more successful routes in terms of trying to build up someone else's spirituality. Let's examine someone from the perspective of two states: A and B. State A is the present and all the person's present beliefs and ideologies. State B is the future and what will be the person's future beliefs and ideologies (let's arbitrarily set State B at one year in the future from A). Even if you were to present State B beliefs to the person in state A - beliefs which that particular person will in fact agree with in the future - assuming the beliefs are substantially different, it will often be too much too fast and the person's internal psychological defense mechanisms will spring into action, and you'll have little chance of getting any information at all through. However if you start small, and even with concepts that don't seem inherently spiritual, then you can work them up to their State B beliefs without setting off the internal defenses. If you can come up with numerous concepts over time that at first glance may not have much to do with each other at all, but contain layers of overlap, you're much more likely to be able to garner credibility for these concepts as interdependent parts of a whole. Overlap is the most important part. I hope this makes sense.

Definitely Start Slow, Maybe

- Share with her some things about psychedelics, such as its beauty, it cleansing and clarifying of the mind.
something that will grab her interest in the area.

- Tell her it is a great form of Deep exploration and meditation, idk how much she may be into that but i am sure you could gain her interest.

Those are just a couple of ideas that i have, the thing with women and i am not saying all is that most do not have that full interest in taking something to get answers, unlike men who have more of a drive to find the answer and do whatever, women just want to live their life they don't need the answers imo i think women hold most of the power and answers in this world.

Well It doesn't hurt to try i wish you the best of luck

I'm in a similar situation, though like Tek my partner is willing to let me ramble on about my experiences and thoughts even though she has no personal interest in psychedelics. Living your beliefs is the best way to convince anyone of your path. Show compassion in your actions and words, regardless of whether the direct topic is spirituality. People will be drawn to your character. They will want to know where your peace of mind and body come from. The topic of psychedelics will flow naturally from this.

As for speaking with your partner directly, I hope your relationship is close enough to where you can share at least some of your thoughts, even if interest in the topic isn't shared. I imagine there is a movie/book/personal life event that you/they have no personal interest in but still talk about to be supportive. This is the essence of a growing relationship, not sharing every interest but being a supportive partner.

I am yet another person in a similar situation. Ive been seeing my girlfriend for a year now. I ve been completely open about my beliefs and use of psychedelics the entire time. My girlfriend has similar spiritual beliefs and meditates on a regular basis as i do. But, she doesn't believe in using "drugs" in order to get to that state. No matter how many times i explain it to her or show her documentaries she won't budge on the topic.

Recently we've been talking about moving in together. Now she "suddenly" has a huge problem with me using psychdelics and wouldn't want them to be anywhere in the appartment. This is a problem for me. I feel like she is forcing me to choose between her and DMT, which has opened up so many doors in my way of thinking and living.

We both love each other to pieces but imo the relationship might be coming to a breaking point, which is very emotional and tough to go thru.

I almost feel like we are waiting for the holidays to pass before the tipping point happens...ugh idk.

Just when it appeared that I found some one who excepts me for who I am and what I do ( Lets face it, being a psychonaut can bring about some interesting and unique characteristics in people), I feel like the rug is about to be pulled out from under me... but hopefully we will make it thru.

I wish you the best of luck. Just try to brace yourself incase things dont work out, as much as I hate to say it. Im not trying to be a pessimist, im just sayin... Life can be hard brother, but we'll make it thru. There are all ways people you can talk to here that are very supportive.

Soulshine