Hi everyone,

I am not new to DMT but I have been having some strange occurrences lately. Now I am a healthy completely sane average guy, I have never touched a drug in my life besides the obvious....not even smoked. So anyway boy meets DMT boy falls in love with DMT and spends every minute with her, you know the story.Eventually things get real heavy and and I have a big bad experience, I realize we need to take a break(this analogy went on too long). Long story short I haven't touched DMT in about 3 months, now this is where is gets weird and I'm hoping I am not alone on this.

After the bad trip I didn't sleep for a week, kept waking up randomly on the hour for no reason when I did eventually drift off. That fades then

About a month later I start getting little reminders about DMT like sudden smell of it and seeing weird things on TV witch jog my memory. Then the following 3 things happen about 4 days apart

1)I am laying trying to get to sleep in the dark eyes shut and all of a sudden an arm reaches into my vision, just imagine the lights are off but your eyes are opened and are fully adjusted then an arm reaches past your face, and that was exactly how it looked.

2)About four days later. I woke up and spun around to turn my alarm clock off with my eyes still shut and as I was doing so some insane scratching went on in the darkness behind my eye lids. Imagine a bin liner directly in front of your face and someone clawing its way through...thats what it looked like.

3)This was the last thing and totally threw me. I woke up in a panic because I thought I was late for work. I was laying on my side and suddenly woke up, my eyes sprung open but before I could even think about reaching for my phone to see the time directly in front of me where squiggles, imagine you had a black marker pen and drew a massive ball of interwoven squiggles in the air, that is what it looked like only it was moving animated. It lasted for about two seconds, it didn't fade it just disappeared when I took a deep blink.

Even when I close my eyes at night I can make out things happening in the distance and the harder I focus the clearer it becomes, so iv been trying to avoid it as much as I can. I have wrote this in the hopes someone has so experience with these things, but if not at the very least its been written down and noted for other people inquiring in the future. Thanks

Um how much dimitri did you hit when you were hitting it a lot? I don't wan't to alarm you but it kinda sounds like you might have developed HPPD (Hallucinogen Percisting Perceptual Disorder). Its a disorder that is characterized by the effects lingering beyond the actual effects of the drug such as the squigglies you mentioned and the stuff moving in the background when your eyes are closed. I wouldn't be telling you this but I have HPPD and what you described sounds like what I get but I would call it more of a tv static visual effect for me. Again it could be something totally different but thats kinda what it sounds like to me? Are the "movings" in the background constant?

PrimateSphinx,

Thanks for the reply, the squiggles took exactly like this at the 8 second mark only animated and floating in thin air.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geUmsocjlj8

I probably consumed only about 6g in about 4 month's but the last one I reckon I hit about 100mg (by accident)from a GVG and that was the show stopper. I had my eyes wide open and the people and everything in the room was alien. When I say alien I mean wow mind blowing I never knew could do this much I am never doing this again type deal.

Can I ask how long you used hallucinogens before you found out you had HPPD?

Sorry yeah the movement in the background is constant and jarring at times...how do you deal with it?

Damn man 6g in 4 months is quite the streak. Yeah the squigglies are definitely the "floaters" that can be symptoms of HPPD. Again I don't want to be alarming but it looks like you have HPPD by the symptoms you've described, but honestly I wouldn't sweat it. It used to really stress me out and I thought I had screwed my brain up forever but the symptoms will go away with time if you stay off substances for a good long time, at least that's my understanding of it from what I have read. The best thing you can do is stay positive and again stay off substances but you said that D is the only one you've done and haven't done it in 3 months so you are already on the right track. I developed it primarily from overusing LSD and imo LSD is a much more abrasive substance on the brain than DMT. I really screwed it up when I mixed the two and I was getting pretty strong visuals for quite some time but I haven't touched LSD since then (about a year and a half) and my symtoms have slowly faded to the static. I had a friend that took quads of mushrooms 18 times in 3 months and he developed the same thing but with minimal drug use he says that he is back to normal, but it took time. Like I said don't sweat it and if you stay off D for a good long time you will see things like you used to. Oh and I was using hallucinogens for about a year and a half or two before I really started to want to find out what was happening with my vision. And it makes sense to me that a bad trip did that. my mixed lsd dmt trip was horrible and it really kicked up the symptoms after that. HPPD i read somewhere is similar in how it effects the brain to PTSD in that it was either a traumatic experience or an experience that really shook the brain out of what it is used to, but the effects of HPPD are much more mild than those of PTSD so don't let that worry you. anyway hope all is well

Thanks man, Thats what I was hoping with time it will fade. I never knew this could happen. Shows how fragile our perception of reality is....I will be protecting mine with clean living from now on. Thanks again for the info and reassurance.

Yeah man no problem. The brain is a very delicate thing and I think it's pretty amazing that it finds it's way back to the regular balance of the chemistry its used to after taking such powerful substances. I'm not too surprised that you hadn't heard about it, I had to look it up on the internet myself so that I could find out what was wrong. I think it probably has to do with there being so much misinformation out there about how psychedelics are such terrible things for false reasons that are usually ridiculous and unfounded, it makes it so the lies and and extremes are whats heard and the actual problems that can happen are swept under the table. I think if accurate information were given to people about all drugs then people would be less likely to abuse them, but we have what we have. anyway you definitely have the right idea about how to handle it and I wish you well.

6 grams in 4 months is ALOT. That would equal to smoking almost every day. And you say "only 6 grams"?
If you begin again smoking I recommend smoking less, something like 1-6 sessions per month.

After my streak-followed-by-bad-experience, although none of those exact occurrences happened I had a lot of different issues with hallucinating during or around sleep, and had some visual disturbances. Usually I had sleep-paralysis-like symptoms, and this stuff was happening every night for a while... and DMT memories/smells/emotions very much kept cropping up throughout the day. Over a year later (and a year filled with weed, mushrooms and ayahuasca at that) it's now quite rare for any of the above to occur, although methinks your DMT experiences will be impossible to ever really forget.

I do still have sleep paralysis from time to time, had it last night... but it gets much rarer, and you get used to it, I suppose...

PrimateSphix

You are totally correct in what you say about the lack of information regarding the hazards. I was going to mention that in my last post but the attitude here is very nice and didn't want to offend people. My personal opinion though is that if people are having a good time with D they will look at this post and blow it off or put it down to over doing it or something small. Its as if they have a mental block and will only ingest the information that suits them. Don't get me wrong I fully understand abusing any substance even mild, will over time give you a problem or two. But I read mountains of info on D before even attempting it...I was almost obsessed with people said it could do, and now in hindsight what happened was the buzz was hugely reported and basically nothing else. I remember constantly seeing people saying "no side effects non addictive totally safe iv been doing it everyday for years" and with this basically unknown substance you really only have hear say to advise you.

tele,
No it wasn't that much I said only 6g for a reason. I was using a old freebase pipe most of that time and doses where like 60mg and ineffective and I shared with friends, should have stated this before but to shorten just put the emphasis on the ONLY part. It works out about 90 hits in 4 months of witch I would guesstimate I had about 60. The pipe I had was very poor, nothing like my GVG witch showed me how much I was wasting over the months.

BananaForeskin,
I definitely had some other symptoms though didn't post for fear of being a hypochondriac. sleep paralysis, Déjà vu that was nothing like normal Déjà vu, insanely weird, waking up with 8 cat like scratches on my body about 3inch long 5 on my torso 2 on my back and on my face I have no finger nails basically and was sleeping alone. Also the Tinnitus ring in my ear it so loud when I go to sleep I have to put music on to fall asleep, it honestly feels like when you enter hyperspace with no music. I don't over think things and make a big deal out of nothing but these things are very real.

And no your damn right I will never forget the BIG trip, to this day I have never heard of anyone explain a similar trip to mine.

BTW, your off-dmt hallucinations seem to be happening in the night time? Hallucinations before going to sleep and when waking up in the middle of the sleep are quite usual. Sometimes even quite clear hallucinations. I've had couple when waking up in the middle of the night.

Yeah maybe people do have hallucinations around sleep times but I haven't experienced them until now. Especially opening your eyes into a bright daylight filled room and seeing animated squiggles about an inch thing and the total ball of about an arms length wide.

I remember reading your post about the picture your using atm...looks like hes smoking a VG that was great. Did you find out what the picture meant, I remember seeing 6 guys 3 on top of another 3 and it look like they were meditating....I looked at the picture for ages.

I see stuff all the time.

They call it reality.

I don't believe it exists.

I have always had tryptamine like experiences late at night in bed..my whole life..after taking tryptamines and beta carbolines it went up a level..awoke something. HPPD is bs I think..a disorder? says who? I dont feel like it is a "disorder"..probably raised levels of tryptophan/melatonin/pinoline and other endogenous beta carbolines and tryptamines..maybe it is just that it this is what it is sopposed to be like..with all the unnatural lighting and weird sleep schedules and other factors it seems reasonable to assume that most of us have lower melatonin levels than our species did in the not so distant past..and that would also mean they had more pinoline and other metabolites..

After hundreds of LSD trips over the course of 6 or so years, I developed HPPD that went away after 8 years or so. It never bothered me too much.

Not to belittle the issues you are currently going through, but you really shouldn't worry to much about a few wayward CEV'e or OEV's. You over did it, period. Your brains wet ware is telling you to lay off for a while. We are all different, though I'd probably be in the same situation as you if I got through even a quarter of what you said you did in that timeframe. Quality not quantity.

Think of those poor bastards coming off methamphetamine, bugs crawling under the skin , cops behind every door. etc. etc.

Peace

Lol., just noticed this ! as Shakespeare said " Brevity is the soul of wit"

Cheers

Really liked that.

I see it as a positive pretty much. I don't get random ones but I get minor to extreme DMT trips off of bud now. Just makes things easier. Plus often for days after those trips I can see a lot farther and clearer then I can normally. Almost like walking around with HD lenses.

if i sit and relax for a few minutes with my eyes closed i begin to feel a warm gentle pressure build in the center of my fourhead, and then from there i often go into ayahuasca-esque dream sequences. I like it. At night i usually hallucinate a bit and get euphoric..its nice

so yea i have to agree with jamie. Our culture just has such a horrible framework for dealing with this sort of thing..its no wonder that many westerners interpret it as bad and react with fear when confronting something we don't understand..which happens to already have a lot of 'taboo' cultural baggage attached to it-like schizophrenia and psychedelics, for example. in the amazon you don't see sober hallucinations as a disorder, but a way of life..i think this stuff is actually more common than we realize. i mean just take a look at the 'what did you see as a child thread'..its filled with weird stuff!

i get this too, two tingly spots almost touching, right above and inbetween my eyebrows...
i feel it more often if i stop smoking cannabis for a bit, then i dive back in with a binge of high-quality, it will put me in a relaxed state that makes me more susceptible to feeling it (also music can help sometimes), but the only "hallucination" i got was CEV of what looked like a video of a sea snake or eel. but it looked very earthly and realistic.

i asked my boyfriends mom and she said it is my third eye trying to pry itself open.
still not sure how i feel about that explanation (she is very dogmatically into kabbalah and metatron and stuff like that : /), but i guess i'll see as it comes
it almost feels like the tingling you get from binaural beats, only slightly different.