I can't help but wonder, do you think all the evil things going on in this world is just hocus pocus?
Do you think all the wars, killings, greed etc are therefore hocus pocus?
Or did you refer to the "evil spirits"?
That maha chohan seems to be just another of those indian gurus... I've spoken with over hundred of them and of many of them were of "high office", such as that maha chohan. And at deeper insight they seemed to know little of what they actually talked about. I'm just saying this from experience. I'm not saying he's wrong but that there is a possibility of him not knowing what he's talking about, to have certainty in his words.

i have a feeling there are still allot of possessions going on these days,in fact i witness this kind of things happen few times. only now days modern science call it schizophrenia, and since they cant understand the nature of it, they have very poor chances of curing it.

im not religious either, never been, never will be , i don't like to give this kind of power to nobody.
but i think you unintentionally hit the nail there, sure, pure evil might not exist independently by itself, i don't believe that either, but there is something that is called "power" (which is not good or bad),and there are creatures who would like to use this kind of power, the same way religions want to (as you said).
in order to get this kind of power over you, religious would use all kind of intimidation, as they are nourished by your fears. there are people who are behaving that way too,and i wouldn't count out the possibility that this kind of dark entities are the same,they want something out of you and they try to use your fears to get it, in that way - they are evil.

i had an experience in hyperspace, when a dark entity came along and was aggressively trying to enter my body, morphing in various horror shapes,i was terrorized and couldn't move,until my fear somehow vanished, and in that moment i could see this entity for what it really was- a poor scared little bugger who had no real power over me.

Foucault is talking allot about this kind of power operating between humans, and he say, nobody really "have" this kind of power unless other people give it to him.

so,fear not, my friend, i believe most of these dark entities are merely very weak creatures wishing to feed from your fears, and its better not to give them what they want.
maybe the best reaction will be to laugh at them, as this is the best cure i know against fear.

I believe fear is what enables these "Evil" creatures to visit some people. What harm can they do to one if one isn't afraid and just ignores them? Well said that fear is their food.

I am not trying to convince anyone of my beliefs... I would not even call my warning a belief, but rather a friendly piece of advice from my very extensive experiences on this subject.

A lot of people who tell you that entities can not harm you and that there is no such thing as malevolent discorporate forces... do not even believe in discorporate entities at all. I won't point out names, but a few of the nay sayers here have said on other threads that they have not even ever encountered entities. Naturally, if you believe that the entities you encounter are all products of your overheated imagination, you will be quicker to dismiss the threats that they may or may not pose to you. To say nothing of those who have never even met any.

Schizophrenics and psychotics constantly rave about voices in their heads and evil spirits forcing them to do things they don't want to do. Even if such things are all in our heads, that doesn't mean that you can not be hurt.

I would say, instead of trusting your mental, spiritual, and physical health to people who have little or no experience with the subject... how about looking at the wealth of human writings on the subject?

Far from being a purely Catholic thing, nearly every spiritual tradition on the planet describes these beings and their negative, parasitic, and malevolent actions upon unwitting humans. The annals of shamanism alone are overflowing with examples. Every single African tribe I have ever heard of has beliefs and practices relating to spirit possession. All of them. From different language groups spanning 5000 miles and with no contact with each other. Nearly every Native American tribe has such beliefs as well. Brujos, curanderos, ayahuasceros, mescaleros... you would be hard pressed to find more than one native entheogen shaman who doesn't believe that these spirits are both real and dangerous.

The fact that these people who gave us basically all of the entheogens we have at our disposal (ayahuasca, peyote, mushrooms, salvia, yopo, virola, san pedro, ololhuiqui, iboga, voacanga etc. etc.) universally believe something... is probably enough reason to at least not dismiss the idea out of hand. It is the height of arrogance for people to take the plants and use them while simultaneously looking down at, and feeling superior to, the people who gifted them to you. Not unlike the Puritans at Thanksgiving taking the knowledge of pumpkin, squash, potato, corn and the rest and turning around and genociding the "savages" who gave them in goodwill.

Furthermore, it is not just the so-called primitive people who know about the dark entities. It litters the pages of Egyptian, Babylonian, Sumerian, Zoroastrian, Islamic, Hebrew, Vedic, Tibetan, Taoist, Shinto, Sikh, Jain, and Druz teachings. (The list is endless) From the Siberian Shamans to the Toltecs, The Tihuanacu to the Polynesians, from Indonesia to Norway, Zulu, Maya, Hopi, Mohawk... and Christian.

No religion save science doesn't accept these things AFAIK. The Bible teems with stories of demon possession. Fully half of JC and the Apostle's miracles involved the casting out of demons.

Believe what you want people. I am not here to proselytize.

But I can only say that I have personally seen people possessed by dark entities... and you do not want to be one. Eyes rolling in the back of the head, self-mutilation, committing of heinous acts, speaking in alien voices... even suicide. I know people currently locked in mental asylums that came back from journeys followed by malevolent conscious beings. This is not something to laugh at.

At least 3 people I know who had such experiences did not believe that they were even possible beforehand... they were clinical technicians and software engineers. Your disbelief won't save you. All three are currently locked in neuro-psychiatric institutes and force injected Haldol, Thorazine or even worse anti-psychotics.

If you alienate your protectors, and guardian angels... if you choose to abandon the light and think you can play willy nilly with powerful dark force... beware. Seriously... pride cometh before the fall.

Even those of us with decades of experience and training in the ways of knowledge, power, and warriorship would not be foolish enough to tempt fate by strolling into the darkest realms... and we know how to defend ourselves. Be wise, and listen to the angelic light beings. It is hard enough to keep your space clean and walk the light path free of ego and negative emotions... even with the help of powerful allies. Purposefully inviting dark entities into your space is just foolhardy.

I say all this with nothing but love and profound respect for fools and foolishness.

I do not say this to scare anyone or insinuate fear. Stick to the light and you will have nothing to fear most of the time.

My experiences on 5 continents show me that you need to be careful and not invite catastrophe upon yourself. These modern memes of embracing evil, attraction to darkness and other unwise stylistic affectations that are prevalent among the young westerners (goths, twilight lovers, death metal, satanism etc.) are an expression of the fact that such teens and young adults have no idea what they are messing with. They are like suburban rich kids who dress ghetto and then think they can stroll casually into Watts or Bed-Stye without getting robbed.

Just because some sad sack band tells you it is cool to explore the darkness... don't buy into their pathetic theater. Most of those eyeliner wearing dudes would vacate their bowels on a single 25mg toke of spice.

Haha, could be

Hyperspace Fool, you are entitled to your opinion which comes from your experience, just as all others who have their own experience are entitled to their own including the ones that DONT believe in what you are saying .

When you say being skeptic wont save you from being posessed by demons and you cite the examples of those people, what comes to my mind is that being skeptic doesnt necessarily save you from being schizophrenic (and having a psychedelic experience catalizing a psychotic breakdown). And I find it an overly romantic view to think that schizophrenics are experiencing something which is truly happening all of the time. There are crazy people too, even if there are obvious problems and misdiagnosis in psychiatry. Clearly not all people who think they are jesus are actually jesus, just like not all people who think they are possessed by demons (even if they truly believe it with all their heart and their full experience tells them this) are actually possessed by demons (not talking about u).

Im not here to make an absolute judgement on whether demons exist or not because nobody of us know how the universe works, ultimately. I have my opinion, as stated before, which is that there is no objective Good and Evil, but thats only my way to look at it, stemming from my experience (and yes, having met many entities of all kinds in different experiences) and my own reasoning and integration of what I learned in life.

By the way, not all religious people believe in demons literaly. Take buddhists, for example, where all the demons are seen to ultimately be a reflection of oneself that one must learn to accept. In several sufi writtings there is this same idea. And even if all religious people believed in demons, that is not an argument that you should yourself. Different religious groups will also have all sorts of contradictions between each of them, and what some consider demons others will consider angels or helpers.

And not only "sad sack band" with a "pathetic theater" talk about the benefits of exploring darkness, as I mentioned before. You talk about how its bad when people are arrogant towards your ideas but that sounded pretty arrogant from you, a harsh dismissal of whoever isnt in line with your ideas.

Live and let live.

HF- you are awesome! And a hero!

Props for saying what you are saying here among such antagonism and dismissiveness. It shows that you really care about others' souls and spiritual well-being. ; ) I feel your compassion.

It's pretty obvious, and quite unfortunate, that most DMT enthusiasts here at the Nexus have a reactionary bias against considering some entities as dangerous and malevolent. You often hear people advise, "Oh, that's just your shadow- embrace it in love and watch it transform into light." Well, I'd like to hear more from people who have had such an experience. To me it is more likely that even this meme is a ploy by the Archons to get us to offer ourselves happily and voluntarily to these "hungry ghosts" that are adept at distracting us with candy from the astral sensorium while they latch on their feeders to suck the "loosh" out of our energetic bodies.

In Buddhism, the hungry ghosts exist in an astral plane and there is constant "hunger and thirst", whatever that means for a discarnate entity. Maybe they crave embodiment so badly for some unknown reason? Any ideas? OR maybe it's only when we, as powerful divine beings, enter the scene with our Luminous Epinoia and divine spark as children of the Most Hign that the plane becomes charged and animated, resulting in a frenetic ruch of creative expression and entity maneuvering. Who knows. It makes me think of the observer phenomena in quantum physics- what if Hyperspace is somehow dark and frozen until we break thru onto the scene and start collapsing wave functions with our observing Divine Consciousness?

I've read enough reports that indicate a vibe of "fantastic! The subject has arrived and time is short- let's get to work, Pronto!", to leave me sceptical as to what is really happening behind what is apparently or APPARITIONALLY happening. Deception and/or trickery is a big vibe that I get- again, I've read enough from others as well who have basically said the same- that some kind of "show" is being put on to distract us while the "more serious" work is occurring- kind of like anesthesia.

I do believe in angelic beings and I believe in demonic beings that exist at varying vibratory rates along the EM spectrum. DMT likely aligns us with the place along that EM spectrum that resonates with our personal vibration. If the Dalai Lama smokes spice, he probably cavorts with angels and cherubim, whereas the local strip-club owner probably gets raped by buxom crocodiles.

Either way, I agree that for people to dismiss the real possibility of direct contact with malevolent, demonic forces during a DMT trip is both naive and presumptuous- AND exceptionally dangerous. Remember kiddies, DO NOT fed the Astral Wildlife with your soul-force, it's very precious and difficult to replenish.

Cheers and High Health to All!

Every trip is rough for me, at least at first, during the onset it's like "oh shit here we go again", and I've had a bad one. Try terror because I believed in evil at the time and thought something bad was trying to come back with me. I almost threw away all my D and equipment. I've definitely had my head messed with on big aya doses alone. But only when I chose to confront what a thought was dark, did i learn it was only a trick hiding me from the truth. We live in a controlled society. They want us to fear and believe in external evil. The only evil i see is in the hearts and actions of those who seek to control other people. I feel that avoiding darkness is spiritual ignorance and limits growth, which what the men in power want. They don't want us to know that they are the only truly evil beings. Humans are not born bad. I've never heard of a bad baby. It's learned psychological behaviour in a confusing, complex, controlled environment that has been put in place to make us more profitable.

Whenever i encounter dark entity´s, i just say:'fuck-off'.
The reason this works so well for me is probably because i don´t believe in them being real. I don´t believe they can harm me.

I basically believe that after having had a certain number of realy hard psychedelic experiences, and almost everybody who uses psychedelic´s over a longer period of time will have some of these hard experiences as well, you realy build-up a sort of mental power and stamina to be able to deal with these things. Like a sort of mental training.

If you take psychedelic´s for long enough, there will eventually come a moment that you´ll just be able to handle about every possible psychedelic experience, no matter how difficult, how dark or how scary. You just learn to deal with it.

Well said. "F off/What the F do YOU want?" tecnique is effective.

Not always though... There are times, at least for me, where im not under any control and it can overpower and humble me. But even then, for me it's about surrendering, letting go, realizing that ultimately it's all part of The Absolute of which we are tiny fragments, and that all the demons and angels, laughter and cries, struggles and experiences, life forms, galaxies, all have One Source, that im existentially on the path I should be, there's nothing that isnt The Plan, and hence I keep going. "This too shall pass".

This is not exactly the same as what we're talking but I think this beautiful Rumi quote fits:

"I died as a mineral and became a plant,
I died as plant and rose to animal,
I died as animal and I was Man.
Why should I fear? When was I less by dying?
Yet once more I shall die as Man, to soar
With angels blest; but even from angelhood
I must pass on: all except God doth perish.
When I have sacrificed my angel-soul,
I shall become what no mind ever conceived"

Okay... I'm going to try and control my sarcasm here. I'm not trying to discourage learning or sharing. Quite the opposite, in fact. What I'm trying to encourage within this forum is the practice of critical thinking - because without it, we're a community of crackpots existing on the fringe of society. Superstitious mumbojumbo derails the process of learning. Easy answers are not the order of the day where our thing is concerned. If we gravitate toward the easiest and most convenient (and ludicrous) conclusions, we're not explorers, we're not forward thinkers, we're cavemen pissing our loincloths.

I'm not going to argue whether or not the experience is free standing reality. I don't know anymore than anyone what exactly is going on there. But I reckon I've been as deep as most, and I've had my share of fearful encounters. I just don't choose to believe that the concepts of good and evil apply there. These are arbitrary terms, and the place I go isn't bound by anything arbitrary. It's not good or bad, though my perception and reactions to it may be either at anytime. I choose to see the space as an abstracted reflection of everything that I am. There's good in me. There's bad in me. Why would both not be reflected?

Assume on the other hand it's all of it real, and not informed by our psychic makeup. Is this how you choose to see the unfiltered fabric of reality - as teeming with demons around every corner conspiring to swallow your souls? If this is the case, WHY SUBJECT YOURSELVES? What an awful form of self-torture. To you who take this point of view, I offer the following challenge: IF THE ANSWERS FRIGHTEN YOU, CEASE ASKING SCARY QUESTIONS. As it stands, you're poster people for the anti-drug militia. You can't be having a great deal of fun, and you're making us all look like crazies.

Personally, the space offers me a unique opportunity to realize my highest potential. It affords me a glimpse into what it is to experience true love and self-forgiveness. Does this mean that it's a space solely occupied by discarnate love aliens? Not to me it doesn't. Just as when it goes bad (and I've had it go bad...), it doesn't mean (to me) that I've been possessed by hoogity boogity monsters. It's just so much bigger than my tiny ideas of what the whole thing means, and reducing it to "good and evil" is something akin to reducing god to a giant bearded man in the clouds.



This is exactly what I'm talking about. How can one possibly take you seriously? In one fell swoop you've destroyed any shred of credibility you may otherwise have enjoyed. You may be able to find validation from other like minded characters, but to the world around you, you're weirdo nutcases, and honestly, with good reason. Schizophrenia is demon possession??? I mean come on now... how to respond???? This point of view is marginalizing, and yes, it's extremely embarrassing. It reflects very poorly on our community, and this is why I get snarky.

I'm not entirely sure if I agree with the way Uncle Knucles communicates his point, but I have to say that I agree with him.

In my opinion, looking at hyperspace as a dimension filled with entities totally independent from oneself equates to a strict reading of the container with a total lack of understanding for it's content.

I'm not saying they aren't real (what is "real" anyways). But certainly, categorizing these manifestations as evil and good entities, angels and demons, is oversimplifying things.
Taking the experience for what it appears to be without keeping some notion of doubt is a sign that you stopped looking for truth and instead are looking for answers.

Art, I sound like a crazy loon? A fringe nut-case? A raving maniac- is that your perception? Well, cool- let that be your perception if you so choose. I am not here to justify or validate my perceptions to anyone else- I am here to SHARE my perceptions with everyone else.

If what I wrote sounds like oodles of kooky noodles to you, it's only because it's constructed and extrapolated from hundreds of trip reports i've read here as well as some of my own. Before you go labeling people who talk about "Archons" as bat-shit crazy, perhaps consider that some of the SMARTEST guys and gals in history, the Greek Gnostic Philosophers, went to great lengths to warn humanity of a parasitic species of sentient entities who exist, in part, to derail the course of human evolution and infiltrate the human mind with aberrant and self-destructive memes.

If you care to look further into the matter, here's a great starting point:
http://www.metahistory.o...files/AlienIntrusion.php

Or if you are more of a video guy- get yourself informed here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loCoTx99yAg

Of course, to keep things juicy and intriguing, we must consider the possibility that disavowal of the Archontic Presence is in fact ITSELF de facto evidence of Archontic influence of the host mind~~~~

Now, how about those Yankees?

Divineyes. You might actually want to get interested in that thing Art talked about earlier called critical thinking.



Are you really telling me that you don't see the trap in such an idea?

You can get as snarky as you want but I see there are no problems with people sharing their views on any matter and even with any manner, their opinions are theirs to have and even if they would say anything I don't believe to be even close to the truth, I find there no need to get snarky.
Someone says "there are demons behind every corner waiting for you", so what? It's humorous at least and why should I argue against their view on the matter even if it could be a bit weird, to say the least?
Well it's just that people have different kind of temperaments and therefore different ways to response. I'm just saying there's no need to critizise anyone for their views, even if they wouldn't be benefitial to the communtity.

I have to agree with Art, even if I don't agree with his language. There are more than enough websites on ye ol' internet that will cater to any form of fringe thinking you may be interested in, but the reason I made an account at the Nexus was because I saw how level-headed and analytical the community was. I appreciate reason as much as I appreciate speculation.

Sorry, I meant to respond to this but didn't approach it directly. The issue at hand is that the community is always going to be traveling in a certain direction. There is always going to be a certain feel and attitude that the community espouses. Leaving it as a free for all means the loudest get the attention. I think Traveler understands this and it's why conspiracy threads are no longer allowed. I have no problem with anyone voicing their opinion, but I also have no problem with people respectfully calling them out on baseless speculation.

I'm curious what drugs put those 3 people into institutions.

When I visited watts I must say that the people there were much frendlier than in other parts of LA and orange county. Just saying that in my experience it's not very bad neighbourhood at least in the daytime, as people tend to call it the ghetto and gangster place etc.