I recently bought this nice cluster of peyote's. Finally I can experience the peyote and use it as a good source for cuttings. I'm very curious whether the experience is very different from San Pedro / Torch. Also got 10 single ones about as big as the biggest on the cluster. I'm planning to keep those for a couple of years and then perform an extraction to see whether those peyotes really contain much more mescaline.

what you got there is lophophora williamsii caespitosa

the lil clumper

Don't eat that. or your lil yotes. Not for a while.

The lil clumpier has the goods I believe but a big cluster is only as active as 1 big single yote. Not grafted, it takes many years to grow a mature peyote. I fear that you will be disappointed if you eat it. That cluster you have there is several years old.

Ive got a similar collection as you. A few small lophs (may be difussa) a few bigger that are certainly williamsii and a clumper. All but a few were bought off ebay from italy.

1 of my williamsii produced a fruit shortly after I got it. The seeds have germinated and await grafting. That will speed up the growing process dramatically but most will tell you that the potency of grafted yotes are nowhere near what a hard grown is.

The general consensus is that you graft and grow them pretty big and then degraft them and root them. After a couple years it should be about what award grown one is, potency wise.

The plan for my little collection is to graft the seedlings to pereskiopsis and graft 1-3 of my others onto a big trich. I consider the clumper to be eye candy. I don't plan on eating it ever. Its my lil bonsai yote.

Hi Madcap,

Thanks for your advise. It was sold as lophophora williamsii. No sub species was mentioned so thanks for that info. I was planning to use the cluster as a cutting unit and experiment with grafting on trichocereus.
I read about lesser potency when grafted but also found some articles which debunk that. Side by side extraction will give the answer I hope.
The single ones are about 6 cm in diameter. If I ate about ten of them, do you think they still aren't active at this size because of their possible young age?
I'm planning to buy 10 more and leave the cluster and the other single ones alone to grow further.

sacrilegious not to just eat them, as the full experience is reduced via extraction ime

well.... I don't really know. I'd certainly wait until you watch them flower and fruit. To be super sure of the ID. Young diffussa and williamssi look pretty close. Wiliamssi will self pollenate... you'll get seeds.

I'm too new at this to consider my advice as gospel. I just know that you have to be patient with the lophs

wanna have your mind blown?

Over on mycotopia there are a few threads about growing hydroponic yotes on pereskopsis grafts...by the cupboard full. Using blue lights to grow them fat and red lights to grow them long. The dude adjusted the ratio of time with both colors until he was churning out soda can shaped and sized peyotes by the dozens. The pictures are nuts!!! at first they look like stumpy little spineless tricks grafted... then you realize they are freak peyote. Its crazy how the light spectrum can alter the growth of plants. The thread shows a little skinny snake cactus sprawling like a TBM .. but its just a grafted peyote growing under only red light.

@Dg extracting them sounds a bit disrespecting to the ancient traditions and rituals indeed . I'm just really eager to find out about their alkaloid content in different growth/age/graft phases. Then again I'm germinating about 100 seeds at the moment to compensate for their loss. For sure I will just eat them old-skool for my first experience.