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vovin
#1 Posted : 11/23/2011 3:27:22 AM

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Got about 1,000 college textbooks all current editions pdf format. Just ask and I'll see what I can fill in for yah.
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#2 Posted : 11/23/2011 3:44:50 AM
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Copyrights are there to protect the artist/writer/creator. I know copyrights are currently being abused, and I hate to play moderator, but do you have the right to distribute that many copies of these textbooks? Please forgive me if I'm wrong. This just seems like the wrong place to post that type of information.
 
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#3 Posted : 11/23/2011 4:13:27 AM

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I am currently a freshman in college with new classes coming spring, will let you know what I might need vovin, thank you!
 
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#4 Posted : 11/23/2011 5:02:31 AM

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I spent 2 years working in a university bookstore watching students being ruthlessly exploited. Textbooks should not cost 400 dollars. I will stop what I am doing when they lower the prices to a reasonable amount and if they don't then I will publish every book they have and watch their monopoly fall. Did you know in most community colleges 40-50% of the price of the education is in the books which are often not used but you are coherced into buying it anyway.

As I see it this action should assist thousands in attaining a higher education and bettering themselves if a few publication empires have to fall them well shed a tear of despair and get over it. Plus think of all the trees it will save.

90% of the information in modern textbooks is not new. It has been around for many years they rehash this information and then sell it back to us in a format we are forced to use to pass the class. Algebra has been around for a bit there doesnt need to be a 7th edition new printing of a algebra book they aren't inventing new algebra and the new issue is usually exactly the same as the old with new questions so you cant do the homework,
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#5 Posted : 11/23/2011 5:03:29 AM

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My thoughts exactly ^
 
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#6 Posted : 11/23/2011 5:43:34 AM
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Vovin,

I assume your 2nd post was directed toward me.

I agree that colleges charge for information that should be free. I understand that they are in the business of money making, not teaching. I just don't think, with the current state of affairs, that this is the best place for your first post in this thread. Have you heard about the new copyright related bill that the Untied States Congress is considering? Under the proposed bill, any site that contributes to copyright infringement will be eligible for black listing, with out a court order. We already know that ICE is shutting down domains, and even confiscating hosts/servers.

If you want to help college students or any one that wants to learn, then may I suggest you upload these files as a torrent?(assuming you have the right(yeah that is some cya)) This way, after they are uploaded, they can be downloaded by anyone with out asking.

I think that all knowledge should be free for the learning. I do not have a college degree, but that has not stopped me from working as a contractor for the DOD or the DOC. Raytheon called me back 3 times to check whether or not I had a degree. I told me three times that I didn't, and I still landed a job working with NOAA as a sysadmin on their Supercomputers that forecast the weather.

I wasn't asking if it was the right thing to do. I was asking if this was the right place.

I respect what you are offering and doing,
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#7 Posted : 11/23/2011 5:48:20 AM


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reosed wrote:
Copyrights are there to protect the artist/writer/creator. I know copyrights are currently being abused, and I hate to play moderator, but do you have the right to distribute that many copies of these textbooks? Please forgive me if I'm wrong. This just seems like the wrong place to post that type of information.

If I didn't respect the admin of this forum as much as I do I'd be using very nasty words right now AGAINST copyright IN EVERY FORM.

How exactly does one copyright 1s and 0s?
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#8 Posted : 11/23/2011 5:53:45 AM

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reo currently the torrent system is my main plan however in the past textbooks being small in filesize and not super heavily downloaded like mp3's results in seeding issues which I am trying to iron out. And yes I misconstrued your statement completely my apologies sometimes we read what we want to in someones statements.
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#9 Posted : 11/23/2011 6:54:45 AM
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Vovin,

I'm glad I could better explain my self. I hate being misunderstood. As I'm sure most people do.

A1pha,

I don't agree with a great many things that our ancestors have set up. I privately and publicly rage against these things. However these things are in place, and dictate our lives, whether we like it or not. If you'd like to know more about my feelings on this subject, then I'd suggest you read about how Jefferson governed. He suits my tastes pretty well.

I said that copyrights are abused. This is true, and I think you agree with that. An artist should be allowed to make money from his works.(money is a different problem altogether) A system that gives publishers the majority share is corrupt no matter how you look at it. If it weren't for the artist, then what would publishers publish?

You said "How exactly does one copyright 1s and 0s?" It's not the one and zeros, It's what those ones and zeros represent, or what they are interpreted as.

Most software patents are BS in my book, at least ones dealing with math.

Everyone else,

I'm not advocating dropping out, or not learning as much as you can. I'm an advocate of self learning. If you are reading this on the net, then you already have the greatest knowledge tool man has made. Use it as much as you can, before they make it illegal.

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#10 Posted : 11/23/2011 7:09:29 AM


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If you'd like to know more about my feelings on this subject, then I'd suggest you read about how Jefferson governed. He suits my tastes pretty well.

Thomas Jefferson wrote:
It has been pretended by some, (and in England especially,) that inventors have a natural and exclusive right to their inventions, and not merely for their own lives, but inheritable to their heirs. But while it is a moot question whether the origin of any kind of property is derived from nature at all, it would be singular to admit a natural and even an hereditary right to inventors. It is agreed by those who have seriously considered the subject, that no individual has, of natural right, a separate property in an acre of land, for instance.

By an universal law, indeed, whatever, whether fixed or movable, belongs to all men equally and in common, is the property for the moment of him who occupies it, but when he relinquishes the occupation, the property goes with it. Stable ownership is the gift of social law, and is given late in the progress of society. It would be curious then, if an idea, the fugitive fermentation of an individual brain, could, of natural right, be claimed in exclusive and stable property.

If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of every one, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it. Its peculiar character, too, is that no one possesses the less, because every other possesses the whole of it. He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me.

That ideas should freely spread from one to another over the globe, for the moral and mutual instruction of man, and improvement of his condition, seems to have been peculiarly and benevolently designed by nature, when she made them, like fire, expansible over all space, without lessening their density in any point, and like the air in which we breathe, move, and have our physical being, incapable of confinement or exclusive appropriation. Inventions then cannot, in nature, be a subject of property.

Society may give an exclusive right to the profits arising from them, as an encouragement to men to pursue ideas which may produce utility, but this may or may not be done, according to the will and convenience of the society, without claim or complaint from anybody. Accordingly, it is a fact, as far as I am informed, that England was, until we copied her, the only country on earth which ever, by a general law, gave a legal right to the exclusive use of an idea. In some other countries it is sometimes done, in a great case, and by a special and personal act, but, generally speaking, other nations have thought that these monopolies produce more embarrassment than advantage to society; and it may be observed that the nations which refuse monopolies of invention, are as fruitful as England in new and useful devices.

–Thomas Jefferson, letter to Isaac McPherson, 13 August 1813
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#11 Posted : 11/23/2011 8:30:55 AM

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I am a jeffersonian man myself ... obviously. No knowledge in any book is the sole invention of the author unless it is fictional and still it borrows often from our classics. Our contribution to the great pool of understanding in my mind is a duty and obligation to repay society for the benefits our predecessors gave us. We build our modern day nation on the labors and toils of countless forefathers. We in turn must become the forefathers of the next generation ensuring their right to education. When education becomes a dividing factor between the rich and poor is the time when we return to imperial rule. I doubt anyone would claim that this isnt already happening.
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I go to a uni that doesn't require textbooks, but regardless, I applaud you, sir!
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#13 Posted : 11/29/2011 11:54:06 AM
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Excuse me, i'm not really good in all this electronic things)) I would like to know, is it possible to download word docs from this site country risk analysis for chile to this textbook?
 
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#14 Posted : 11/29/2011 5:43:39 PM

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Thanks for the awesomeness vovin. I'll keep that in mind.
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I go to a uni that doesn't require textbooks, but regardless, I applaud you, sir!


This is interesting. I wish more schools would implement this kind of policy. Most of my instructors have taught/tested from lecture but still require a textbook for "additional learning" which boils down to a mediocre essay at best. I could see us doing away with most textbooks and engaging libraries more often.
 
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#16 Posted : 11/29/2011 11:28:09 PM



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good work vovin!!!

Its absolutely insane how ridiculous the prices of these books are..i know people who've spent a thousand dollars in a single semester on books that loose over half their value the moment you buy them. Recently though i've heard that some school libraries are obligated to order and loan you the books you need for free if you say you can't afford to buy them..although they hate it when people try to do this..according to my friend at least. i forget the details but i'll be looking into that as well



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#17 Posted : 12/1/2011 11:48:13 PM

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The university library is required to have a few of the books on hand for reference which means you cant take it out of the library and usually there is a time limit on use since there is a waiting list and at my school you had to basically make a damn appointment with the book. But when you do restock the photocopier tray before copying the hell out of it just like the 1500 others just did.... usually a line for that too.


Evil trick from somone who knows.

First Check the bookstores return policy.

If the book is not shrink wrapped buy it photocopy the hell out of it return it. You will save thousands seriously.
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#18 Posted : 12/1/2011 11:57:48 PM

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Systems Analysis and Design (Shelly Cashman)
ISBN-10: 0538481617 | ISBN-13: 978-0538481618
 
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#19 Posted : 12/2/2011 12:11:20 AM

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9th edition? Yah I got it
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#20 Posted : 12/2/2011 12:14:35 AM

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Excellent! Yeah it is the ninth edition. The bookstore wants $150 for it! I laid down $600 for books last semester and the bookstore is only offering me $75 total to buy them back. Apparently books depreciate 90% after 4 months.
 
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