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Recently acquired some san pedro cuttings and I am deciding what to do with them.
It seems like the "tea teks" are way, way, way easier than the "extraction teks".
What is the benefit of going thru all that hassle to do an extraction?
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Some people are meticulous and NEED to know exactly how much they are dosing by the millegram and have it absolutely pure.
Others, like myself, enjoy having full spectrum extractions that are also quite easy to perform. I either drink tea (the highest I've ever been was pedro tea) or evaporate the tea and scrape up and encapsulate the resin and eat that. Start off with ingesting 1' worth of material.
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Short and most correct answer: try both and decide for yourself.
there are lots of little pros and cons and personal preferences, but my first answer is still the best imo. extract has slightly less chance of purging and bypasses the several seconds of terrible taste when drinking tea.
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۩ wrote:Some people are meticulous and NEED to know exactly how much they are dosing by the millegram and have it absolutely pure.
Others, like myself, enjoy having full spectrum extractions that are also quite easy to perform. I either drink tea (the highest I've ever been was pedro tea) or evaporate the tea and scrape up and encapsulate the resin and eat that. Start off with ingesting 1' worth of material. Makes sense. Thanks. I can't wait to try making this tea.
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behindthelight wrote:۩ wrote:Some people are meticulous and NEED to know exactly how much they are dosing by the millegram and have it absolutely pure.
Others, like myself, enjoy having full spectrum extractions that are also quite easy to perform. I either drink tea (the highest I've ever been was pedro tea) or evaporate the tea and scrape up and encapsulate the resin and eat that. Start off with ingesting 1' worth of material. Makes sense. Thanks. I can't wait to try making this tea. also you can reduce it down and imbibe it rectally if you are worried about puking  My wind instrument is the bong
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Extractions are fun! And you learn a lot. And, as House pointed out, you can measure your doses and learn how different amounts affect you personally - cacti vary wildly in their alk content, so taking 1ft made into a tea is a bit of a crapshoot - but House, I believe, likes the variability and the surprise of not knowing exactly how much is ingested. There is a lot to be said in favour of this method as well. Sort of like mushrooms, but with far more variability IME. I guess it boils down to (yes, silly pun intended  ), as Ouro intimated, personal preference. Until I have a few more high dose mescaline experiences and know what it can do at a certain measured dose, I will continue extracting. After that, I may throw caution and measurement to the wind and just tea up 1 or 2 ft or more! Good luck JBArk JBArk is a Mandelthought; a non-fiction character in a drama of his own design he calls "LIFE" who partakes in consciousness expanding activities and substances; he should in no way be confused with SWIM, who is an eminently data-mineable and prolific character who has somehow convinced himself the target he wears on his forehead is actually a shield.
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I extract because the cactus slime or something else in the straight tea gives me pretty bad gastrointestinal discomfort. I feel it adds more body load to the trip, but that's imho. Extracted alkaloids are just bitter, and can give you nausea but none of the ickieness and blockage i get from cactus tea. The time i did take the tea though, it seemed to have more to it than extracted alkaloids. It was from the same batch of bridgesii, and the tea was definitely more visual and intense than a similar amount extracted. May have been my methods, resulting from a less efficient extraction, or one where certain alkaloids were destroyed in extraction. Either way, try both. You won't be disappointed if you have good cactus either way, and like what was already said, they each have their pros/cons to weigh based on your personal preference for the experience. "let those who have talked to the elves, find each other and band together" -TMK
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tea:
less time, easier to do
does not store well, dose hard to control/estimate
extraction:
takes more time and effort
stores well, dose easy to control
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Thanks for all the input, I have never done either, so I think I will start with the Tea and see how it goes. The extraction teks seem like a ton of work. I might end up trying it though.
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huachumancer
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if i may offer some advice
only use the outter 5 mm of green flesh without spines/waxy skin.
dry this material without heat above RT/sunlight
powder this material
this 10g or so should be rehydrated slightly with water to form malleable paste balls
and those balls should be swallowed with minimal liquid (4oz/15 minutes at most)
ive done this over a hundred times and for the last 4 years have not found a better method,
ive had a gram of mesc hcl, ive had resin from tea evaporation, and this, imho and others that have tried (that i know) have conclusively agreed that after fasting for 12-24 hours this is the best method.
peace and light, explore at your pace and dont fear a purge, ive only had 5 in 4 years of atleast biweekly/ more using
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Ipuma Ayar wrote:if i may offer some advice
only use the outter 5 mm of green flesh without spines/waxy skin.
dry this material without heat above RT/sunlight
powder this material
this 10g or so should be rehydrated slightly with water to form malleable paste balls
and those balls should be swallowed with minimal liquid (4oz/15 minutes at most)
ive done this over a hundred times and for the last 4 years have not found a better method,
ive had a gram of mesc hcl, ive had resin from tea evaporation, and this, imho and others that have tried (that i know) have conclusively agreed that after fasting for 12-24 hours this is the best method.
peace and light, explore at your pace and dont fear a purge, ive only had 5 in 4 years of atleast biweekly/ more using
love- me Cool man, thanks for that. I will definitely try this.
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huachumancer
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youre most welcome,
incidently, i was referring to 1 foot equating to 10g dried outter flesh, given that you are in the usa and youre getting your t bridgesii from california, and given that it is 1 foot about 2.5 inches in diameter, expect THAT foot to yield 700 mg or so, not quite entheogenic but a medium experience nontheless, id chuck in some lsa or another foot if it dosent floor your after your first try (i also went 2 years without consistantly upping the dosage from 1 foot)
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Yeah, I have 4 foot long cuttings right now.........been deciding what exactly to do with them. I think I am gonna do the tea and then your method too.
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This isn't an either/or thing.
Extracts, especially extremely pure ones, are very, very different than teas or other full-spectrum preparations.
SWIM has both in his regimen, and wouldn't trade one for the other in any situation.
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For your situation, and for most beginners, tea is probably most appropriate. Tea is usually less of an investment in training and work, and harder to mess up. After you find success with tea, you will know how potent your material is and if you still want to work more deeply with that plant before considering extractions. Maybe you should cook 2 of those cuts and plant the other 2? Drink half that brew and save the other half for later or in case you purge too early.
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Good idea man, I think I am going to do the tea first and see how that goes. Then maybe plant the other 2 cuttings for now.
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You don't go trying to extract caffeine from beans before you at least learn to make a good cup of coffee!
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The points for both have been put out quite well already so I'll just say I recommend doing a tea, taking it easy and slow because: 1: low and medium doses are very smooth and empathagenic 2: It takes a WHILE to come up but redosing works quite well 3: I've found that halving the tea (separated by 1 hour) MORE than halves the nausea Then do an extraction when or if you're ready to Q21Q21's Tek: A comprehensive guide to extracting DMTThe 2 teks use non-toxic lime and vinegar and Tek 1: d-Limonene or Xylene or Tek 2: Naptha to produce very quick high yields with the greatest of ease.I am almost never on this site anymore so I will likely not answer PMs
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q21q21 wrote:The points for both have been put out quite well already so I'll just say I recommend doing a tea, taking it easy and slow because:
1: low and medium doses are very smooth and empathagenic
2: It takes a WHILE to come up but redosing works quite well
3: I've found that halving the tea (separated by 1 hour) MORE than halves the nausea
Then do an extraction when or if you're ready to Right on man, will do. Thanks.
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