The general idea I have is to create a highly potent huasca brew, requiring only about a shot glass's worth of liquid for a dose of 10g MHRB(about). This will allow for quick and easy redosing as the experience progresses.

The next thing needed would be fairly long term MAO inhibition. I have heard that chemical MAOIs have much longer effects that can inhibit MAOs for even a couple days after one single pill. Whatever the form it takes, I would aim for extended inhibition that would allow simply dosing another shot of the brew to continue, without needing another shot of an MAOI. Though that is simply an idea and I may stick to a natural way of inhibiting and just redose that appropriately.

The end result would be the ability to dose quickly and infrequently, but still remain soaring up around the higher peaks of a huasca experience.

I would like to use this for something like a day trip to a secluded forest spot, plop down on a meditation pad, and meditate on huasca for as long as physically possible. Or inside of an isolation tank. Or on a hiking trip.

Please note that this is all still hypothetical, and I am simply working out the kinks in an idea. All input and advice is welcome. Thank you friends.

you wont have anything like ayahuasca. Ayahuasca contains harmalas as the RIMA's..anything else wont even be close..Harmalas have their own psychedelic effects aide from them being MOAI's and the MAOI's you are talking about(btw ALL maoi's are chemicals, including harmalas) wont take you into the ayhuasca space..you will just have orally active DMT. I really dont understand why you would want to do this..why not just redose like everyone else does? it is not uncommon for ayahuasca ceremonies to go many hours with 2-3 doses drunk throughout the night. What you are talking about sounds like a recipe for disaster..how much experience do you even have with ayahuasca?

So I would say stick with harmalas..I doubt some pharma MAOI that lasts alot longer will be anyhere near as healing/spiritual as the harmalas. Harmalas and DMT both do not cause tolerance..so you can easily redose and go for 24 hours if that is what you really want to do.

4g crushed syrian rue in gel caps gives me 4-8 hours of inhibition. After you take your mimosa, an alternative to drinking more is to smoke spice. The effects are instant and much more pronounced. In order to really keep things going at a deep level, you'd probably have to smoke around once every hour but you could keep on going up by simply smoking more.

Try drinking 100-ish grams of potent vine (red? black?) with that 10g of mimosa... THEN decide if you want to do it longer.

I really have no idea what process you think I was describing, but the vague notion I got from what you wrote suggest you misunderstood me. I'd plan on dosing an MAOI and then taking a mimosahuasca brew, and I'm brainstorming how to keep it as strong as possible for as long as possible.


The consensus is basically "STFU and redose like a normal person, getting fancy won't get better results, just do more when you need it."

I like paraphrasing meanly at myself

A high but tolerable dose of harmala´s combined with a high but tolerable dose of DMT will give an experience that is deep, strong and that can last for at least 8 hours. You will be peaking for hours and only notice a decline in the last two hours.

I agree that 8 hours is normally not considered to be absurdly long (though 8 hours can feel like a lifetime), but you could easily redose since ayahuasca doesn´t have a tolerance build-up. Taking realy huge amounts of harmala´s at once to make it last even longer could be dangerous.

For a long, enjoyable, high-quality psychedelic experience, mescaline is probably the most apropriate candidate. Mescaline has many simmilarities with ayahuasca and can last for over 18 hours if taken in the right amounts.

Fractal enchantment told you that if you take other chemicals to replace the harmalas for the MAOI, chances are that your journey will not be a deep ayahuasca journey. This since you will miss the important psychedelic effects of the harmalas.

You state you take a potent 'huasca' brew with MHRB. So again, you will miss the important psychedelic effects of the harmalas.

Also take a peek at the advice BananaForeskin gave you, you might want to do a big dose first before you go to a lenghty one with a big dose.

Reading is an art. And another thing: check the Attitude page since things like "STFU" are not done on the DMT-Nexus, this is not a poser forum.


The Traveler

Uhhh okay?

What is mimohuasca? If you arent using cappi it is not a "huasca" at all...if you arent at least using rue or harmalas you cant even compare it to ayahuasca..end of story. I dont know what about that YOU misunderstood? I dont think you understand the pharmacology of MAOI's personally. "MAOI" does not refer to a family of chemicals with the exact same psychoactive effects, with some just longer than others. The harmalas are beta-carbolines and a specific family of indoles that are psychedelics by themselves..pharmaceutical maoi's are not. The difference between just making mimosa orally active with some pharmaceutical MAOI that just lasts longer, and using beta carbolines to activate the mimosa is a big difference. You said you are making "huasca"..it is even in the title of the thread..and I(correctly) informed you that if you just go for a longer lasting MAOI you wont be making anything close to something you can call a "huasca". You will be missing the psychedelic effects of the harmalas. Ayahuasca is not just orally active DMT. Sometimes it contains no DMT at all and only caapi becasue caapi is psychedelic on it's own and without it it just wont be ayahuhuasca, and will not have the same healing effects most likely either if you dont even use beta carbolines.

Before you get all angry and start putting words into my mouth, actually try READING what I said.

That was simply be being a sarcastic asshole to myself. I would never direct such sillyness at someone else, have no worries of that.



The point about losing the added psychedelic combination of the harmalas is a good point and I hadn't considered that, thank you. For the record what I was speaking about was Mimosahuasca consisting of a combo of Syrian Rue Harmalas and a MHRB tea. I disagree with the necessity of *caapi for a huasca labeling, other harmalas work well too. It might not be "Ayahuasca" exactly, but there are other breads with other combinations that are as legitimate an experience path as "the real deal" if you choose to be picky about such things. In my thought process before I wasn't observing MAOI's as there own psychoative, but simply as an oral activator, but in hindsight such a position seems silly. I don't understand as much as I could that is unfortunately true, but I do know what I am talking about when I claim to. Thank you very much though for restoring the psychedelic contribution of harmalas into my consideration though, I'm not sure how my brain managed to disregard that.

MAOIs definitely add a different character to the experience than plain DMT. I used to think that it was the fact that the DMT was digested that made the experience look and feel different, but then when I just took the rue without ingesting any oral DMT, and only smoked it, I realized that the similarity to the ayahuasca and not plain DMT experience was there. This was when I realized and concluded that it was the MAOIs that changed the feel and style of the trip and not the route of administration.

Length? Time? "As long as physically possible"? hahaha...

If you want a "long" session... plop down on that pad, take some harmalas, and smoke 130mg of pure freebase N,N Dimethyltryptamine in three easy tokes. Likely that will give you a good handle on what "as long as possible" is, physically or otherwise

In all seriousness... Ask Vovin; deeper, longer, and more intense experiences are merely deeper, longer and more intense. In fact, it so happens that the majority of my most meaningful sessions have been the shortest and often times with the lowest dosage. I'm not saying that this is a general rule, but pushing your limits (which are very finite) has absolutely nothing to do with pushing the limits (which are infinite and likely irrelevant).

Ask yourself why you are doing this, and then ask yourself what a maximally long ayahuasca session will do to further that end. There's no need to take it to the limit if there's nothing worth having when you get there. The growth and experience comes from you, not the drug.

Respect yourself, your health and your safety... and trust your heart! The human mind is silly and mercurial, the soul is the constant truth that you can depend on.

Godspeed.

The reason I venture into the void is because I seek wisdom and perspective as well as knowledge and practical application to gather and return with so that I may convert it into language and provide beneficial ideologies to the world around me.

A significantly lengthy trip would allow me to stay expanded and collect more, dissolve more illusions, and see more of what needs to be brought into our reality to better it. I am not looking for something, I have already found it, I'm just trying to get a better look.