Hey everyone

looking for some insight from the community. A group of us have been smoking DMT by way of water bong in a sandwich method (ie. weed bed, DMT, top off with weed). It seems to take quite a bit of effort just taking it to the head as hard/fast as you can to hit that "threshold" point and none of us has broken through it yet (though I did hit the edge once).

I was looking for some general feedback from those who conventionally use water bong as their means of intake; what seems to work, what we may need to do differently, whatever.


Also, on side note. We have been having a great time enjoying the effects of DMT without trying to break into hyperspace. Not sure if anyone as gone this route, but we've been rolling nice dubs of weed laced with DMT and smoking that out, giving a great casual DMT onset until the end were all the runaway DMT gets caught by the filter and then gives that last shoot into the sky without it all happening at one time. After that, we pack up some water bongs with DMT and use it as a means to boost things as far up as we want. Obviously this way will never allow you to break through the threshold point, but it does make for a great body trip and, depending on how far up you sent yourself, some interesting visuals. Mostly use this as a hangout purposes and have been great for getting used to DMT and slowly building up higher into the atmosphere.

Would also be interested in hearing the communities input on that too. This small core group that we have privileged to par-take with us has but the utmost respect for this wonderful gift. We feel this is a great way to get us ready for going into hyperspace, which we've each only tried maybe 1 or 2 times.

Well try a small amount of cannabis and a large amount of dimethyltryptamine and thats it. Use the lighter to melt the spice, dont burn it, and make sure you clear the bowl and get the last hit because the DMT will melt to the bottom, so a sufficient amount of herb is necessary, but not too much...

dissolve your dmt in iso/acetone and evaporate 1:1 on your weed

yeah, i get the concept. We're not really trying to smoke weed with a side of dmt. the weed is just being used a base filler and a sprinkle on top to chase the taste.

Maybe we dont have enough, haven't been weighing it out. just been putting a nice layer over the weed base. Should you be able to roll on a good cherry to break it?


actualfactual:
thats quite an interesting idea. not familiar with it, but i love the cocept, would save time lacing dubs to let it just be there. thanks for that

I would say, don't have a dub rolled with it before hand, just use weed.
Then put just enough weed and dmt in the bong that you can clear it in 2 hits. It sounds like your sandwich method is fine. Just go for one big trip instead.
Then focus all your attention on hitting the bong.
Don't let it distract you lol.

its the cannabis. Forget cannabis you wont need it when you get to where you are trying to be. Smoke it after or something. Make some 1/1 changa mix or whatever and stick that in the bong instead or just use some caapi leaf or peppermint if you have no caapi, or some other light(not dense) leaf to sandwich it in. Cannabis gets all resinous, is too dense and will burn too slow and IMO, it fogs up the DMT experience. I find cannabis is not a good thing to mix with DMT most often but that is just me and others will feel differently. Most important is to have a leaf that burn quickly so the DMt does not get all caught up in some chunk of resinous plant material that you cant smoke fast enough.

For smoking DMT in a bong though, cannabis is just not what you want if you want to breakthrough with a leaf sandwich method.

I cant imagine having trouble breaking through with the water bong I have here at all..god smoking from it scares me as it is way too easy to get too much that way..

haha, yeah. distract is right.

to a point, watching a good cherry do crazy things that you'd only see in a tim burton movie getes quite distraction. usually by that point it also starts getting rubbery and harder and almost a little intimidating to keep going, lol.

talk about the true definition of an experience. sure the hyperspace is an experience on, getting there seems to be an experience in its own right. simply amazing =].

thanks for the input

I know the DMT crystals begin to degrade and breakdown after a period of time. I am starting to wonder if that may be part of our problem.

Below is a photo (albeit, not the best) of what we are working with. It was made something like the fall of last year using the Lazyman's Tek minus a few steps at the end (i believe). The maker had hidden it on himself one time while tripping and couldn't find it until just a few days ago. He said it was all crystals when he first made it, with some slight plant fat in the middle. As far as I know, the orange-y "rock" is suppose to be all the plant fat from the degrading crystals, but it does have pronounced crystals all around and throughout it.

The point of smoking the weed when using this method is not to smoke weed with a side of DMT. The thing is that as soon as the DMT starts to heat up, it's going to melt and be pulled down by gravity and pressure pretty quickly as it will get absorbed by the weed. Point being, most people who use this method of essentially plugging up the bowl head with weed will often stop after the DMT has vanished. The trick is to smoke the weed in the bowl head because most of the DMT will have escaped into the depths of the weed, so if you smoke that weed, you'll most likely be getting the majority of the DMT that you may have otherwise lost.

Exactly. This is why I emphasize that people clear their bowls, as in smoke the entire load, and not use too much so that this isn't a problem. You soon learn the ideal amount after a few trials...

alright, I haven't even begun to dump out anything in that bowl. I'm guessing I got a fair amount of DMT latched onto ash then. So our biggest problem right now is not fully clearing a bowl it sounds like, which seems to stem out of possibly too much weed then. Also kind of gets more intimidating the more you have to hit it, lol; getting shot exponentially higher with each rip.

Very much appreciate the feedback guys =].

You can successfully get enough to breakthrough in one hit. Just takes practice! <3

as with many things, i strongly agree with fractal enchantments advise ditch the whole idea of smoking dmt with weed, if you want to smoke a dub just do so before or after, trying to mix it will not help you blast off, just mix it with some very dry smoking herbs like mullien or mint or even better with a little caapi all mixed together. clear out the whole bowl and start fresh get it all layered out fancy good melt it into your herbs and smoke as much as you can in one or two hits. also i have found that the amount if time i can hold it is more important than how much smoke is in my lungs for a few moments, i like to let my hit get "airy" so its easier to hold for a LONG time...if you do it just so you wont even be able to hit it a 2nd time, i have also found that the space that i give it effects how things go, if i try to do it casually it doesnt respect me as much and its harder to blast off, if you give it some sacred space it opens up more, but maybe thats just me

thanks for the input mrwiggle.

you maybe right about the casual thing. theres usually 4 of us at a time, usually taking turns in sets (given we got 2 bongs we are using specifically for DMT). may need to be done in more of an intimate setting. It might also be the room, it's kind of a mess. Whole bunch of couches and lazy boys littering the area, kind of a maze to get through. Junk all over the end tables and stuff.

The one time I got to the edge, after a little bit of sitting there things started to become overwhelming, too much going on around me, felt that "pressure" on my chest start to push into me, getting heavier. Just way too much happening at once, but as soon as I got outside where it was open and calmer everything felt so much better.

on ۩'s concept of 1 hits. I always find it impossible to take in a single good first hit. EVERY first hit that gets taken always makes me cough pretty good and I end up loosing a lot of smoke (as for the others that partake with me). After that, there really isn't much of a problem with coughing. Is this common at all?

I've been putting thought into the concept of taking a small first hit, get that "coughing stage" out of the way and then going for the fewest clear-bowl hits.


edit::
I had mentioned earlier that we haven't been weighing out, but a good bowl would be roughly 30mg?

Try 50

The trick is to fill the pipe that would more more than comfortable, but so that you can bring yourself to the point where you can hold in what you already have in your lungs without coughing. Your lungs will fight you. They may start spazzing out, but if you can hold it down for 3-5 sec, the tension and pain go away and your lungs relax. At that point, you clear whatever's left in the pipe without exhaling whatever you were already holding in. For some reason at this point, you probably won't even feel the rest of the vapor enter your lungs (even if there's a lot). This technique for me has helped a little DMT go a long way.

thanks Global, I'll keep that in mind.

Much appreciate all the input, did some more testing around with all your ideas last night and I pretty confident that we are pretty much were we need to be; just got to put it all into practice now =]

So, on the tail end of things now.. From what I've collected, if DMT is vaporized correctly it'll have a flowery taste/smell to it, but given how we're doing it, we've been getting this burning bike tire smell/taste and was wondering if that's common?

Yeah, that's normal. First of all you have to understand that the same DMT will taste significantly different out of a bong than a vaporizer. Just two completely different tastes really. Even in the GVG, I don't necessarily find a flowery taste/smell anyway.

Okay, thanks for the clarification =]