Yesterday my brother and I each took 5.5g syrian rue in gel caps and waited for it to kick in before breaking the GVG out. I usually just take 4g syrian rue, but after seeing people talk about taking more caapi as opposed to more DMT, it finally hit me in the face that I should try taking more rue as well.

We took our first hits, but I didn't put that much DMT in the GVG for both of us so it wasn't incredibly intense. As such, being incredibly nice outside we decided to get up, leave the house and take a stroll around the block. It was beautiful outside and not too hard to walk as the clouds morphed and practically swung by to say hello.

We went back in the house and then this is where the magic began. We returned to the GVG, reloaded it with bigger doses (also bearing in mind that the rue had more time to fully kick in). My brother took two large rips and his second one was one of the biggest hits I've ever seen anyone take. Just by looking at the vapor, I knew he was in for something special. He apparently made contact with an alien (he never gets entity contact) and said that the alien had pretty much swapped out his brain for the alien's. The alien proceeded to run scans, do probes...you know the usual. He ranked it as the most important experience of his life and thanked me afterwards for it, so that was gratifying that I was finally able to share an experience of such magnitude with somebody else.

Meanwhile, after I got done administering the DMT to him (I don't even let my own brother handle the lighter ), I sat down, reloaded and blasted off. I found myself in the same space as right before I had my white light experience and saw God. I could practically feel Him lurking in the background, but I was hoping that a veil would just rent already and there would be the white light, but from the looks of it, I was just gonna get to see the sacred "pre-stage". I was peaking, and rather intensely at that, but not quite what I was hoping for. At that thought, I opened my eyes mid-peak, grabbed the GVG which was right at my side, and without a second to lose I took as big a hit as the GVG would allow me. As I held it in, I closed my eyes, curious to see if I could be blasted through that veil...well that didn't happen, but they loved it. As I held in my hit, the whole scene reorganized itself into a giant hyperspatial basket which I fell into as invisible entities tended to me. It was such an incredibly warm and loving space.

Now I understand that the MAOIs were in play, but nonetheless if you can smoke DMT in a completely sober state, there's nothing to stop you from smoking DMT when you're peaking on DMT. Especially if the trip isn't going exactly the way you intended, I would suggest trying to smoke at that point. I certainly plan on trying something of a similar nature again.

I don’t know about you, but when I’m peaking on a breakthrough dose of DMT I am no longer in my body and no longer in this universe. It would be impossible to take more DMT in such a state – how does one take more DMT when one has no body and is in a place where there is no pipe, no lighter, no DMT?

Funny... I was thinking the exact same thing.

Just grab the hyperspatial GVG floating by - just get it, load it and light it quick before it morphs into something else!

I did wonder the same thing.

The bong I smoke changa out of would no longer be a bong if I tried to smoke in a peak, it would transform in from of my eyes, melt into the floor, and there goes the door, or shit am I trapped here?

Amen to the MAOI's. I never use DMT without MAOI's, and have spent the last several trips with pharma, but your post has inspired me to smoke again (with the rue in me, of course).

Agree with the above, and even if you could feel your body and have a vague sense of orientation in the earthly physical world, I would be very careful using a lighter. Hallucinations might cause you to light something you don't want on fire.

I don't smoke at the peak(pretty much impossible with a breakthrough), however after it wears off I sometimes smoke. And then the GVG looks like the most incredible piece you can inhale something from. It's shine and transparency goes to another level, well you know... The eyes seeing with DMT in the brain...

global never said anywhere that when he smoked again he was disembodied to the point of full breakthrough already. Tons of people smoke DMT while already peaking on DMT. "Peaking" means the full effects of the dose you took, not breaking through. Ive taken oral DMT and while that was peaking been able to smoke DMT many times. I dont know why other people here are responding as if he tried to say he broke through, but then was able to smoke more?

nice report global

This is true. When I come back to my body a fix my eyes on the GVG in my hand I'm taken back at how beautiful it looks. Sometimes I get lost in thought at how beautiful it is I forget all about smoalking moar! I eventually do though.

I like taking harmalas before smoking but I have yet to ingest rue straight up before. I was always concerned about the toxicity of it. Seems a lot easier than extracting from it. Maybe I'll give it a go sometime just to try it out. That was a pretty interesting report!

^ rue does not really feel toxic at all to me. Minxx was worried about this as well until she finally drank rue a few weeks ago and liked it. Just leave the brew to sit in the fridge for a few days so all the sediments drop out and you can decant off the tea and even filter it after if you want. The sediments will make you feel sicker IME. I dosed a group of 5 of us with harmala seed tea and mimosa and I was the only one to even get sick or puke..and it was not any worse than being sick with caapi.

I think it had something to do with this statement:

"Now I understand that the MAOIs were in play, but nonetheless if you can smoke DMT in a completely sober state, there's nothing to stop you from smoking DMT when you're peaking on DMT."

Okay so basically your saying to brew the rue, let it settle, decant from the solids and drink it right?
I've got quite a bit of the stuff and have been holding off on using it due to the fact that I haven't had the time needed to extract from it and like I said before I was worried about the toxicity of taking it as is. So now I definitely want to at least try it. What do u think would be a good dose to start off with? Maybe 5.5 grams like Global?

I would brew it, then stick the brew in the fridge unreduced. It will be easier to decant this way. Afer maybe 2 or 3 days decant it and filter it and then reduce it. Even after you reduce it more sediment might drop out after a day in the fridge and you can decant it again and then drink if you want..but I think just decanting the first time before you reduce makes the most difference.

5.5g would be alot for me. I would start with 3 grams maybe and then if you were fine with that take more next time.

I agree with fractal. You should take 3g to start off with and work your way up. Surprisingly 5.5g went a lot smoother than 4g on both the stomach and body space in general.

Let me clear up what happened with my experience. With my eyes closed, I was in a very sacred space, but it wasn't very energetic. It was like being in a space that takes a lot of spice to get to yet was surprisingly non-energetic. I was in fact hoping that when I smoked again that I would be back in that space but with the energy to propel me through to the next level (which wasn't what happned). Before interrupting the experience to take another hit, I was sort of patiently waiting for something exciting to happen, but it didn't come, and I still had my wits about me. I've been in immensely intense situations, but have never had a true out of body experience. I wouldn't say that means I haven't broken through. It just seems that even in a prior experience where I was being rocketed through white light towards the godhead, it was like I was simultaneously in my body and yet out of my body at the same time. It sort of depended on how I shifted my attention. If my attention was on the soaring aspect, I felt like I had no body, but if I shifted my attention to my body I could still feel my back and legs against the couch I was sitting on.

It's kind of frustrating when people talk about how if you can do certain things in peak DMT states that you must not be doing something right. It's gonna affect everyone differently, and it's gonna affect the same person (including myself) differently every time. I could've smoked the exact same amount of DMT the same way at the same time after taking the same amount of rue and could have easily been too disoriented to light the GVG, but this was not the case this time. I've become quite comfortable with DMT and with a little focus can do things that many claim impossible or unlikely. As I said recently in another thread, I've been walking down the hallway to puke after taking a large hit on pharma and had Egyptian deities coming out the wall. I was pretty much in the process of breaking through with my eyes open, but that bit of semantics didn't really seem to stop me.



My point here was in regards to "tolerance" and when people say you can't smoke DMT because it "won't work". The point being that if you want to (and have the orientation to do so), that you can smoke the DMT even while already peaking and it will still work.

I feel you on this.

SWIM finds that this ability to perceive multiple versions of himself while spicing is pretty common. The multidimensional nature of the thing sometimes leaves SWIM in a place where he can access many different versions of the same thing... or even many different things... simultaneously.

This shifting of the attention is what Castaneda talked about in his books as well. He called the nagual the "second attention" and said that one could move to different awarenesses by shifting what Don Juan called your assembledge point.

Anyway, SWIM can often maintain an OOBE... choose to shift back to his corporeal form long enough to perform some task like re-dosing (though hitting a balloon is easier than reloading a cashed out pipe) or whatever.

Multi-peak spice journies are wild. Even just maintanence doses to extend a spice flight can be amazing and let you stretch things out enough to work with it a bit. Simply rocketing to formlessness and back can make the experience harder to assimilate.

Glad your brother got to have his close encounter...

Oh yes. I agree with this, especially when harmalas are involved.

@ fractal: Of course "peaking" is a relative term. If one is peaking on a moderate dose or a higher dose but still "in the body", then multiple hits are doable. Isn't this what changa is all about?