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Conversion of mescaline fumarate > hcl proposal, need advice Options
 
The Day Tripper
#1 Posted : 10/20/2011 5:07:01 PM

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So swim is on the tail end of a bridgesii extraction. He has lots of impure mescaline fumarate, prob about 1.5g with another 1.5g on the way in the next week or so. Anyway, swim is tired of washing/recrystallizing his mescaline fumarate, and grows weary of removing excess fumaric acid from his yeilds.

Swim has recently come into some %30 hcl with a clean msds. He knows excess hcl will evap off with the water vs. fumaric witch has to be removed with acetone washes. He was thinking if he can convert his fumarates to hydrochlorides, he could achieve a much greater purity with relative ease.

Thinking on how to go about this, he had a few ideas, like adding hcl to the dissolved fumarates in solution. This would make them hcls, but would not solve the problem of excess fumaric acid. Ultimately he decided against this route.

The next idea he had was to do another a/b on his material, to bind up any excess acid with base. He had no desire to resalt out of dlimo, and had another idea. What if he dried a paste of 1:1 fumarates and lime, then powdered and pulled with acetone?

After pulling and filtering, could it be as easy as adding an appropriate amount of %30 hcl and letting the acetone evaporate? Would this produce nice mescaline hcl with relative little hassle? I don't see any issues since its basically just a mini a/b but who knows.

Any advice would be welcome.
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#2 Posted : 10/20/2011 5:15:01 PM

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Sounds like a good idea in theory Smile Let us know if it works out

BTW how did you get your fumarates in the first place, FASI or FASW?
 
The Day Tripper
#3 Posted : 10/20/2011 5:20:03 PM

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Fasw. I'd imagine fasi/a fumarates would be a great deal cleaner, i just don't like having to pull all that iso/tone out of the limo afterwards. I think i'll try this with 250mg first, and see how it turns out.
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In a society in which nearly everybody is dominated by somebody else's mind or by a disembodied mind, it becomes increasingly difficult to learn the truth about the activities of governments and corporations, about the quality or value of products, or about the health of one's own place and economy.
In such a society, also, our private economies will depend less upon the private ownership of real, usable property, and more upon property that is institutional and abstract, beyond individual control, such as money, insurance policies, certificates of deposit, stocks, etc. And as our private economies become more abstract, the mutual, free helps and pleasures of family and community life will be supplanted by a kind of displaced citizenship and by commerce with impersonal and self-interested suppliers...
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